Infinity War Captain America|Steve Rogers - Chris Evans

[Webfoot Hero]

Yeah, just noticed that now. Thanks for pointing it out. Photobucket used to be.reliable too.

You now have to sign up and pay for their premium service to be able to link to stored photos. It started only a week or so ago but it made me drop them. Still haven't figured out which image sharing service to join to re-upload my photos.

 

[Herolee10]

Not guilty of any major crimes? Attacking police officers, some of whom probably suffered major injuries and maybe even died from those or are crippled for the rest of their lives. Aiding a known criminal. Endangering civilian lives. And lets not forget millions in property and economic damage. All of that on foreign soil no less. Normal people would spend the rest of their lives in jail for that.

If Steve didn't intervene when he did, regarding the Police's attempts to arrest Bucky, then it would have ended with actual casualties.

And plus, until there's any concrete evidence to show that some of those guys are handicapped for the rest of their lives...I think it's a little premature to take it that far.

Also, even though the Winter Soldier is a fugitive, Steve and all of us know that Bucky was in no way in control of his actions and shouldn't be held completely at fault for them.

And if you want to use the collateral damages as another point, then just think about all of the damages that the likes of Tony, Hulk, and Wanda have brought about and none of them have still been trialed or due processed for their actions.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Hey, I can dream, can't I?

FIXED.

Used Imgur.

 

[Kev4000]

I want this so much... Cap in a black suit would be awesome and hot.

 

[ScarlettW]

If Steve didn't intervene when he did, regarding the Police's attempts to arrest Bucky, then it would have ended with actual casualties.

And plus, until there's any concrete evidence to show that some of those guys are handicapped for the rest of their lives...I think it's a little premature to take it that far.

Also, even though the Winter Soldier is a fugitive, Steve and all of us know that Bucky was in no way in control of his actions and shouldn't be held completely at fault for them.

And if you want to use the collateral damages as another point, then just think about all of the damages that the likes of Tony, Hulk, and Wanda have brought about and none of them have still been trialed or due processed for their actions.

This, they're responsible for the destruction of an entire country, however they're free.

He didn't kill those soldiers, they hurt them, but they didn't kill. This is emphasized in the movie when Steve says to not kill them.

People act as if Steve did the worst while Tony can do whatever he wants.

The fight at the airport could be avoided if Tony had believed Steve, but he didn't believe in him. In the comments of the DB, the Russos say that Tony wanted to win that fight. It seems like it was more of an ego thing.

 

[jr24tw]

If Steve didn't intervene when he did, regarding the Police's attempts to arrest Bucky, then it would have ended with actual casualties.

If Bucky had surrendered and not fought his arrest or if he had tried to clear his name years ago there would have been no casualties. Or Steven could have prevented Bucky from running.

And plus, until there's any concrete evidence to show that some of those guys are handicapped for the rest of their lives...I think it's a little premature to take it that far.

'We didn't see it so nothing happened' never works for me. Considering with what kind of force some of those guys were hit/thrown around it's only natural to assume that some suffered damage.

Also, even though the Winter Soldier is a fugitive, Steve and all of us know that Bucky was in no way in control of his actions and shouldn't be held completely at fault for them.

Not for what he did while mind-controlled. But he wasn't mind controlled when he fled from the police. He also could have done years ago what he finally did in the CW credits, take himself out of the equation. Why hide in Bucharest where the chances of someone speaking Russian is higher than say, Asia? One wrong word used when he's in earshot and boom, he's triggered. Also with the release of the Hydra files Steve could have insisted on Bucky's name being cleared so that it would never have come to this.

And if you want to use the collateral damages as another point, then just think about all of the damages that the likes of Tony, Hulk, and Wanda have brought about and none of them have still been trialed or due processed for their actions.

I do hold them responsible except for Hulk. Wanda is pretty much the one responsible for all the carnage in AoU. She screwed with Tony's and Benner's mind and as a result we had Ultron and a torn up South Africa. Tony only rushed with the Ultron AI because of Wanda. However in his case, unlike Hulk, there was free will involved so he has to share the blame. Benner does too. Rushing head first into the accords was not the solution, however in that case (after being confronted with the mother) he realized for once that even heroes need to face consequences. Steve was just like, eh lets feel bad it about for 5 minutes because we can't save everyone and move on.

 

[ScarlettW]

If Bucky had surrendered and not fought his arrest or if he had tried to clear his name years ago there would have been no casualties. Or Steven could have prevented Bucky from running.


'We didn't see it so nothing happened' never works for me. Considering with what kind of force some of those guys were hit/thrown around it's only natural to assume that some suffered damage.


Not for what he did while mind-controlled. But he wasn't mind controlled when he fled from the police. He also could have done years ago what he finally did in the CW credits, take himself out of the equation. Why hide in Bucharest where the chances of someone speaking Russian is higher than say, Asia? One wrong word used when he's in earshot and boom, he's triggered. Also with the release of the Hydra files Steve could have insisted on Bucky's name being cleared so that it would never have come to this.


I do hold them responsible except for Hulk. Wanda is pretty much the one responsible for all the carnage in AoU. She screwed with Tony's and Benner's mind and as a result we had Ultron and a torn up South Africa. Tony only rushed with the Ultron AI because of Wanda. However in his case, unlike Hulk, there was free will involved so he has to share the blame. Benner does too. Rushing head first into the accords was not the solution, however in that case (after being confronted with the mother) he realized for once that even heroes need to face consequences. Steve was just like, eh lets feel bad it about for 5 minutes because we can't save everyone and move on.

The order was to kill Bucky. They weren't there to arrest him, it was to kill him, so the escape. He doesn't trust anyone, I think even Steve.

Wanda is not the only responsible for Ultron. Tony had already Ultron in mind, she give a little push. She wasn't responsible for Bruce being ok with Ultron. She didn't hypnotise them. She showed the fear in each of them. Tony was afraid of losing the Avengers, Bruce has another fear.
Both are scientists, it's wrong to do scientific experiment in a short time. Bruce knew that.

Steve has the mind of a soldier at war, that's why he says save as many people as possible. Don't forget that Tony at the end of Ultron decides to take a vacation with Pepper, he was so sad for Sokovia, right?

 

[Silvermoon]

He also could have done years ago what he finally did in the CW credits, take himself out of the equation. Why hide in Bucharest where the chances of someone speaking Russian is higher than say, Asia? One wrong word used when he's in earshot and boom, he's triggered.

Just a note on the bolded: Pretty sure the entire sequence of codewords has to be said in order (and likely without much interruption between them) The chances of someone saying those seemingly random nine words, in Russian, in order, and in earshot of him just as a pure coincidence? Highly unlikely. Just one of the codewords being said in random conversation won't trigger him.

Also, I don't know how much higher the chances are of someone speaking Russian casually to him would be in Bucharest. From what I've been able to find, those of Lipovan Russian descent are the ones most likely to speak Russian in Romania. They (as of Romania's 2011 census) make up just 0.1% of the population of Romania in general (and most of those live in Tulcea county (the eastern most county of Romania)). In Bucharest, approx 97% of the population are ethnically Romanian. The other significant ethnic groups in Bucharest are Roma (approx 1.5% of Bucharest's pop.), Hungarians (approx. 0.3%), Jews, Turks, Chinese and Germans (all approx 0.1%). Only a relatively small number are of Lipovan Russian descent (so even less than the 0.1% that makes up those others that are considered "significant" other ethnic groups and it's not the only one considered among that 'relatively small number' there's also Greek, North American, French, Armenian and Italian). So again, the chances of him running into someone who will speak Russian to him (in a city of 1.8+ million people) seem pretty slim - especially if he's blending in by speaking Romanian to everyone else - they're more likely to speak Romanian back to him. That's in addition to the other issues I presented above (that it would take all nine (seemingly random) words said in sequence to trigger him).

Just thought I'd throw that out there (note: my numbers came from googling/the various wikipedia pages on Romania and it's demographics and languages which did seem to link to actual census data for the country... if anyone more in the know has corrections on the numbers I've placed here, I have no issue with that)

 

[Capsfan]

Just a note on the bolded: Pretty sure the entire sequence of codewords has to be said in order

In order to trigger him completely - yes, I agree, the entire sequence is needed.

However, I'm pretty sure that he begins to get triggered from the very first word. One-two words is enough to make him listen at least, otherwise he could have put his fingers in his ears, shouted 'LALALALA' and that's it. Zemo wouldn't have been able to trigger him. Especially with his horrifying Russian accent.
Not to mention that he went into cryo because he was afraid someone would trigger him again. You wouldn't do that if you are a supersoldier and the only way to make you listen is to restrain all of your body.
Also, I think Hydra made sure to have a reserved emergency way to get him back in case he breaks the programming and gain back some memory.

The order was to kill Bucky. They weren't there to arrest him, it was to kill him, so the escape. He doesn't trust anyone, I think even Steve.

This entire scene bothers me. Like, yes, they have the order to shoot on sight. However, it's obvious that they have this order only because everyone knows how dangerous the Winter Soldier is. Would they have shot him if Cap apprehended him already? Like, it's Cap! Everyone knows he's a good guy and fights against terrorists.
Also, why War Machine didn't do the job? Why instead the task force was sent to risk their lives?
Steve told Nat that he would bring him in. But he haven't done any actual attempt to do so.

Also, keep in mind, that they had this cage with them. So I don't think that the order was to kill in all the cases.

As for the Bucky being on the run. I understand his reasoning, I understand he doesn't trust anyone. And I don't actually blame him for it, but he definitely should have come to Steve. At least to Steve as soon as he got his memories back. He knows someone can use him again, he admits he knew it all this time. But this is exactly the reason why he should have come to Steve. Society will always perceive a person on the run as a criminal. If he is on the run, then he is still a Hydra's terrorist, not brainwashed Captain America friend.

 

[Iceman]

I'm really looking forward to seeing Cap's new (fugitive) look for this film.

 

[Capsfan]

So, how long will Chris be filming RSDR? Do we know when he will be back on the Avengers set for part 2?

 

[skyler]

 

[The Caped Knight]

Whoa Cap even with a bread you look BADASS!!!!!!!!

 

[Capsfan]

I see no reason for Natasha and Steve not to be together at this point. They are basically a husband and wife already. They are on the run together. She is his partner and confidante. Really, the best couples become from the best friends, not from shallow physical attraction. I know, people say they appreciate their friendship, but at this point it really makes no sense already.

 

[hafizbat]

 

[Spider-Fan]

I really hope Cap has a meaty role in the film amd Evans starting his filming late is why he was not in trailer much. I don't wanna have to wait until part 2 to see a lot of Cap

 

[CosmicSpider]

I really hope Cap has a meaty role in the film amd Evans starting his filming late is why he was not in trailer much. I don't wanna have to wait until part 2 to see a lot of Cap

Same here. But based on his placement on the poster, on par with Tony, it doesn't look like that should be a problem. Cap is the Russo's baby after all.
Plus if they are planning on going Death of Cap route, this movie should be his swan song!

 

[Primal Slayer]

 

[The Caped Knight]

since he'll be shieldless, i guess we'll see Steve more physical in combat.

 

[Nathaniell]

Damn i cant wait. nomad is gonna slay it Along with Thanos. Dont think my body is ready for the excitement just yet. Oh boi.

 

[hafizbat]

I really hope Cap has a meaty role in the film amd Evans starting his filming late is why he was not in trailer much. I don't wanna have to wait until part 2 to see a lot of Cap

I'll be relieved if he even makes it to part 2

I so dig his blacked out suit, but I need him to be in his stars and stripes one more time before the end.

 

[Spider-Fan]

He will make it to part 2. He has a contract lol

 

[Lookhowfunnyiam]

In order to trigger him completely - yes, I agree, the entire sequence is needed.

However, I'm pretty sure that he begins to get triggered from the very first word. One-two words is enough to make him listen at least, otherwise he could have put his fingers in his ears, shouted 'LALALALA' and that's it. Zemo wouldn't have been able to trigger him. Especially with his horrifying Russian accent.
Not to mention that he went into cryo because he was afraid someone would trigger him again. You wouldn't do that if you are a supersoldier and the only way to make you listen is to restrain all of your body.
Also, I think Hydra made sure to have a reserved emergency way to get him back in case he breaks the programming and gain back some memory.


This entire scene bothers me. Like, yes, they have the order to shoot on sight. However, it's obvious that they have this order only because everyone knows how dangerous the Winter Soldier is. Would they have shot him if Cap apprehended him already? Like, it's Cap! Everyone knows he's a good guy and fights against terrorists.
Also, why War Machine didn't do the job? Why instead the task force was sent to risk their lives?
Steve told Nat that he would bring him in. But he haven't done any actual attempt to do so.

Also, keep in mind, that they had this cage with them. So I don't think that the order was to kill in all the cases.

As for the Bucky being on the run. I understand his reasoning, I understand he doesn't trust anyone. And I don't actually blame him for it, but he definitely should have come to Steve. At least to Steve as soon as he got his memories back. He knows someone can use him again, he admits he knew it all this time. But this is exactly the reason why he should have come to Steve. Society will always perceive a person on the run as a criminal. If he is on the run, then he is still a Hydra's terrorist, not brainwashed Captain America friend.

Their orders were to kill Bucky.

Bucky can't stick his fingers in his ears when he's restrained.

Even if hearing one word of the phrase completely stuns him (which it doesn't), nobody is going to coincidentally say the right words before he snaps out of it.

I genuinely don't believe you've seen the movie, just read a Wiki summary once. The disconnect from reality is huge.

 

[Capsfan]

I'll be relieved if he even makes it to part 2

Evans will be back to filming of the Avengers 4 later this year. Confirmed by the actor himself.

Their orders were to kill Bucky.

Yes, I repeat once again. Yes, they had the order to shoot on sight.
However. If their orders were to kill Bucky in all the cases, Bucky would have been dead. Period. It's as simple as that. Even after they arrested him and took out of anyone's sight, they could have shot him in that armored car and said that he resisted arrest, so they had the right to do so. And they wouldn't have had this cage for a superhuman with them.

Bucky can't stick his fingers in his ears when he's restrained.

He was only restrained in the beggining of it. He broke his restraints quick. Pay attention while you are watching movies.

Even if hearing one word of the phrase completely stuns him (which it doesn't), nobody is going to coincidentally say the right words before he snaps out of it.

My points weren't about someone coincidentally saying triggers to him. I was talking about HYDRA guys still in the wind. Like Karpov was.
If the first words don't affect him, then what was the purpose of going into cryo at all? What's the point? He is a supersoldier. He could kill anyone who as much as only begin to utter the first words.

I genuinely don't believe you've seen the movie, just read a Wiki summary once. The disconnect from reality is huge.

I genuinely don't believe you've paid attention to my post. Or the movie.
If you continue to ignor my arguments, then there is no point to talk to you at all.

 

[Spider-Fan]

No more debate on Civil War guys. Use the Cap forum for that.