Captain America

Well, from Marvel.com;

"Powers
Captain America represented the pinnacle of human physical perfection. He experienced a time when he was augmented to superhuman levels, but generally performed just below superhuman levels for most of his career. Captain America had a very high intelligence as well as agility, strength, speed, endurance, and reaction time superior to any Olympic athlete who ever competed. The Super-Soldier formula that he had metabolized had enhanced all of his bodily functions to the peak of human efficiency. Most notably, his body eliminates the excessive build-up of fatigue-producing poisons in his muscles, granting him phenomenal endurance.

Abilities
Captain America had mastered the martial arts of American-style boxing and judo, and had combined these disciplines with his own unique hand-to-hand style of combat. He had also shown skill and knowledge of a number of other martial arts. He engaged in a daily regimen of rigorous exercise (including aerobics, weight lifting, gymnastics, and simulated combat) to keep himself in peak condition. Captain America was one of the finest human combatants Earth had ever known."

I think it's pretty cool for Cap to have these powers. Not only that, I think making him TOO powerful distorts the idea of who Cap is. He is what we should all be aspire to be... Take him too far with his powers, and he's no longer someone we can aspire to be.

IMO

 

I think steve should retire when he gets back and only come out of service for hardcore events.

Captain america should be an idea rather than a person, the idea that one man can make a difference and be a representative to everyone out there to keep fighting.

 

What makes Cap so great is Steve Rogers and not the serum and powers. I love the fact that he uses his leadership skills and nother things that can not be learned or engrained by serum, radiation or some other cheap method. Cap is awesome because he is a super hero with out being all that super.

To give him superhuman abilities and have him rely on these would cheapen the character and really piss me off.

 

what about giving him superpowers and still not have him rely on them

 

Why "give" him anything? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. That's the way I look it at. Other than this dude, I've never heard anyone complain that Cap needs more powers, so I don't think the general population has a problem with him. So, why change him? That's the way I look at it. I love how Steve is just a bad ass soldier. He's like Rambo with a shield. Sometimes gamma rays and thunder gods and star gods and all gets to be too much. My two favorite Marvel characters are Cap and Daredevil. I like them because their, as I said before, superheroes who aren't all that super.

 

But that's who he is. That's the point. He'll go up against the Hulk with nothing but a shield, like the WWII infantryman who went up against Hitler's Atlantic Wall with nothing but an M-1.

 

Why? He's a great leader and a hell of a tactician. He only gets into these huge cosmic fights with the Avengers now anyway. And, like a Captain, he's the leader and the strategist. Can Cap beat every villain one on one? No, but he can lead the overall assault and have the Avengers as a whole defeat any enemy they encounter.

 

I don't what issue you are referring to, but other than the Ultimates I don't remember him KOing the Hulk. But regardless, the power is in the shield. Notice he doesn't hit him with his fists?

Not all fights are about stregnth. David and Goliath, my friend.

 

You're starting to sound like a Hulk fan boy who's pissed because the Hulk got beat by someone. What issue is this coming from? I have almost every Cap issue ever (not the expensive ones of course) and I don't recall this scene anywhere.

 

i think it's a spidey issue

 

Oh, so he's passing judgement on Captain America, based on something he read in Spider-Man.

 

it's from Captain America, Fallen Son.

Yes it is overwriting Cap.

If Cap had taken down Hulk a different way, it might not have been so bad; Cap is the best fighter in all of marvel (at least out of A-list characters anyway) and the idea that he can take stronger beings down is not out of the question. The problem is this is the freaking Hulk...Cap would have to go Judo and use Hulk's own momentum against him to knock him out, rather than doing it like he was Thor.

 

I don't mind cap being grounded but in specifically bad situations he should play more of a defensive role (with his shield) and strategise the others to do the offensive work. Kinda like eric in the 80s cartoon dungeons and dragons.



I don't mind him being brave enough to get stuck in but some of the feats he pulls off are damn near impossible.


As for the idea i gave, it's not essential but i do think it helps for potentially a story where cap loses his sense of uniqueness by getting a small power boost.

Other than that, it helped with his battles in ultimates where he can fight with the hulk, hold his own against a child spidey and also fight normal soldiers and not particularly stand out.

AT the very least provide him with defensive powers like increased endurance and low level invulnerability so there is reasoning behind him being able to take a bashing (apart from his shield).

 

Um, I have scrolled up and I asked where you got that from. There are countless examples, huh? You know about them all and I don't? Who's the fanboy now?

 

Agreed, but initially this conversation was about something else entirely and had blossomed into I hate the fact that Cap beat the Hulk. Every time I come back into this thread there is a new picture added that wasn't there before. I don't know if that has something to do with the conncection. When I commented on it, the only picture I could see was the wide two page spread, which I didn't see as overwriting. But in all of Cap Vol. 2, 3, 4 and 5, he's not smacking gigantic monsters around. Has Cap been overwritten at times? Sure. Name one character that hasn't. But it's not a flaw in Cap's character; it's bad writing.

 

What up Kang, long time no see.

 

Good God, it's like those stupid lets give Batman powers already idea. No, and no.