casting mistakes?

As I see it, the problem with the Wolverine/Cyclops balance came long before they started casting. It was the decision to make Wolverine the focal point which meant they went looking for a leading man type. The underdevelopment of Cyclops meant that they were unlikely to attract a strong, charismatic actor for that role.
Bryan Singer was rumoured to want Russell Crowe for Wolverine. Even Dougray Scott is a leading man. Both are too tall and too good-looking for Wolverine. Ok, not as tall as good-looking as Jackman.
Other actors were considered for Cyclops but they opted out. Marsden said that his audition was him wearing the visior (or was it sunglasses) and Singer checking out how he looked in them.

To get more appropriate casting, you need a script that makes Cyclops the key player and Wolverine the annoying supporting player.
 
I agree with Loganbabe about Wolverine's potential as a leader.He could make a fine leader, but he would not be very comfortable with the role. He works better when he's the "military advisor" to the actual leader like Cyke or Storm. That way he can act as the voice of experience of the team without losing too much of his wild, reckless side.
Thank you! That´s exactly what I was trying to say. Logan could be a leader, he´s smart, he has the training, the skills and all, but he´s not the leader type. That means he´s too unstable, he´s a hot-head and he can be reckless, because most of the times he isn´t worried about his own physical safety. And he´s right to be afraid of his own behaviour, because of all the things that happened to him at Weapon X, all the mind-f******. But I´ve read stories where the X-Men come to him for some advice, especially Havok and Storm; he certainly has the knowledge of what a battle is supposed to be.
I hate to read stories where the only thing Logan does is jump around stabbing people like some mad pitbull on crack. I hate writers who write him like that. He should show more of his training, fighting skills and resourcefulness in the stories, not only his wild and berserker side.

The leader can not be the hot-head of the team. That's why the leader-characters can be less entertaining, even boring to some. Personally, I often find the characters who have to deal with the burden of leadership interesting. The pressure they live under, the difficult decisions they have to make. I find Cyclops particularly interesting among this type of characters, because of the way his role as a leader goes against the insecure, socially-awkward even shy person he is underneath that no-nonsense professionalism.
It´s so nice to read a post like this. You and I may have different opinions, but you just gave yours without the arrogant pretension of "educating" people, as some say, or claiming you´re a better fan because you read the comics or something. You should post more around here! :woot:
I agree about Cyclops. He doesn´t have an appeal to me, just like characters like Captain America and Superman. They have that righteous, mr.niceguy aura about them, things that never attract me when it comes to fictional characters. But they offer some interesting possibilities too, and what you wrote about Cyke is right on the money.

As far as casting of Wolverine goes... Handsome, instantly likeable, conventional hero-type Wolverine took some getting use to, but Jackman's skills and charisma won me over. I'm happy with what he did with the role, even if I wonder what it would have been like had they cast a genuinely rough and scary actor like Michael Wincott.
Hugh had to work a lot to convince Brian he could play the role in X1. Brian wasn´t so sure about him in the beginning. But in the end he won over not only Brian, but also the rough tough crowd of guys working on the sets. The would cheer him up "Yo, Wolverine!" That´s when Hugh really knew he was doing a good job. :woot: He´s a handsome guy and all, but he can play scary, rough Wolvie easily. I have girlfriends who don´t find him attractive at all as Wolverine! :cwink:
Now, it really would be interesting seeing an uglier and meanier actor playing the role. I don´t know Michael Wincott, I´ll check him out. Altough I never saw comic Wolvie as ugly. He isn´t a pretty boy by any means, but not horribly scary as some artists draw him from time to time. He´s charming in his own rough way. :word:
 
Loganbabe, I understand where your coming from, but can you say the same. Do you understand WHY everyone is so upset.

The term X-Men, has the plural form of MAN in it. Meaning that more than one person is involved. Look back at the trilogy and think about what the audience learned about Wolverine.

Compare that to the X-men already at the mansion.

See the difference.

Now we get Wolverine part 4 in 08. Are you kidding? Buy the end of that we'll know what color is underwear are, how long his toenails grow, what he poops out when he unloads, how many hairs are on his right peck, and where he came from before the cage fights.

We still don't have origin scenes for the people who LIVE Xavier's dream.

Edit: Logan isn't the only one who had problems before he arrived. Each person had HORRIFIC circumstances to find themselves there. Another reason why I hate the fact that Scott and Ororo were left out. Both losing their parents, being molested/nearly raped, having to take responsibility for others before they were ready...
 
sorry,i love logan but i gotta agree,it should have just been called wolverine
 
Storm. Only. Though I'd rather replace the screenwriters than her.

IF the way Rogue was written was different (like sassy-super-duper-sexy-bomb) I'd change Anna, but the way Rogue was written, she works just fine.

Actually, now, I want no recastings. I like everyone.


Perfectly said Flavio.

Valeu!
 
i agree flavio,if they do a sexier rogue id probably switch to natalie portman if not,than stay with anna
and storm,oh jeez dont get me started

IMAN DAMMIT!:mad:
 
sexier than anna and yes shes sexy to me at least\not like drop dead sexy but pretty sexy,not as hot as halle or famke though
 
It´s so nice to read a post like this. - - - You should post more around here! :woot:
Flattery will get you nowhere... Oh, who am I kidding? Flattery will get you anywhere. I'm nothing if not easy.:woot:

I agree about Cyclops. He doesn´t have an appeal to me, just like characters like Captain America and Superman. They have that righteous, mr.niceguy aura about them, things that never attract me when it comes to fictional characters.
I'm not really a fan Cap and Superman myself. They really suffer from being such iconic characters. The writers hardly ever allow them to be truly flawed. Cyclops is just a guy, not a living symbol of America. He is not always noble and right. Sometimes he's just bossy and annoying. He is not magically above making tragic mistakes that get people killed, and he knows it. And sometimes the pressure does get to him in a way I've never seen it get to Captain America or Superman.

He´s a handsome guy and all, but he can play scary, rough Wolvie easily. I have girlfriends who don´t find him attractive at all as Wolverine! :cwink:
Now, it really would be interesting seeing an uglier and meanier actor playing the role.
Jackman does make a convincing tough guy. He is a big, strong bloke and definately looks like he can take care of himself. Still, I've always pictured Wolvie as someone who has a noticeable air of menace around him. Someone you can immediately recognise as dangerous man with troubled, probably violent past. Jackman's Wolverine is the cocky yet likeable hero, rather than the gruff, world-weary mentor/sidekick of the actual, traditional hero.

So, I originally hoped they would give a chance to one of those supporting character actors who usually only play roles like "Thug#3" or "Scary man on the subway". Something along the lines of one of my favourite character actors; Michael Ironside (http://www.fametracker.com/hey_its_that_guy/ironside_michael.php), who is obviously an old man now. He is not an actor who has shown a lot of range during his career, but no one does intense, menacing badass like him. The man could play a scene where he's eating cereals in his pyjamas, and still look like he's ready to hurt somebody. And not just in that "heroic leading man takes care of the bad guys" way. And that's the kind of look and feel I was hoping Wolverine would have. But of course it's not a easy to find a good actor like that, who is the right age and not too ugly.
 
Cap has flaws. I assure you they have allowed for both Supes and Caps to be flawed. It just isn't emphasized to the point where you would notice it unless you actually read them frequently. ;)

:D
 
Flattery will get you nowhere... Oh, who am I kidding? Flattery will get you anywhere. I'm nothing if not easy.:woot:
Don´t get used to it! :woot:

I'm not really a fan Cap and Superman myself. They really suffer from being such iconic characters. The writers hardly ever allow them to be truly flawed. Cyclops is just a guy, not a living symbol of America.
Yeah, I agree. I have much more problems with Supes and Cap than Cyke. I watched Superman movies when I was younger, but I couldn´t bother to watch SR now. He´s the überperfect superhero, and it isn´t really my thing. Cap is even more annoying, character-wise.
I wanted more Cyke in X2 and X3, funnily enough. One thing that most Cyke fans assume is that Wolverine fans hate Scott. He´s not among my favorites, but I don´t hate him by any means. Actually, I see more Cyke fans bashing Wolverine than the opposite. :o

Jackman's Wolverine is the cocky yet likeable hero, rather than the gruff, world-weary mentor/sidekick of the actual, traditional hero.
I agree. He´s a different character than the one we got used to see in comics, but then it´s the movies industry we´re talking about. It´s an enterely different world. I still find interesting that Hugh convinced so many hardcore X-Men (and Wolverine) fans that he was the perfect Logan, even tough he´s tall, and a handsome guy. I think the majority of fans accepted and even praised him...Hugh really worked hard not to disappoint them.

So, I originally hoped they would give a chance to one of those supporting character actors who usually only play roles like "Thug#3" or "Scary man on the subway". Something along the lines of one of my favourite character actors; Michael Ironside
Interesting choice. He looks (looked?) like Jack Nicholson, and I´ve read in some boards some people saying that the perfect Wolverine would be a young Nicholson. :word:
Michael certainly looks like comic book Wolvie...I just wanted to see some pictures of him with more hair! :woot:
 
I wouldn't really say it was a mistake, but, I was thinking about (James Marsdens) Cyclops, something IMO just kinda felt off about him in the role
and I recently figured it out, that I feel (again imo) that they went to young with him, in contrast to (Famke Janssens) jean (who I though was great as jean) though, since they went with her, being a older (and tall) actress, they should of went with a cyclops who was older and taller to fit with her better (its kind the revise of what normally bothers me in movies, with the much older guy being with the younger girl thing)

like I said, Famke was a great cast for jean, but, they need someone closer to her age to match up with her (she is also very tall for a woman, like 5'10"-5'11"ish, which jean is usually described as being around 5'7"ish) Marsdens is described to be somewhere between 5'11" and 6'1"

anyway, so, I was thinking for someone older, that I think might of been a better fit with Famke in the movie, Patrick Muldoon (if he was cast from the start, not saying he'd be good for a recast, or anything like that)
Patmuldoon.jpg

http://imdb.com/name/nm0005258/

made this really quick just playing round with how he might of looked, with Famke in the movie (i know its not aht good)
 
I wouldn't really say it was a mistake, but, I was thinking about (James Marsdens) Cyclops, something IMO just kinda felt off about him in the role
and I recently figured it out, that I feel (again imo) that they went to young with him, in contrast to (Famke Janssens) jean (who I though was great as jean) though, since they went with her, being a older (and tall) actress, they should of went with a cyclops who was older and taller to fit with her better (its kind the revise of what normally bothers me in movies, with the much older guy being with the younger girl thing)

like I said, Famke was a great cast for jean, but, they need someone closer to her age to match up with her (she is also very tall for a woman, like 5'10"-5'11"ish, which jean is usually described as being around 5'7"ish) Marsdens is described to be somewhere between 5'11" and 6'1"

anyway, so, I was thinking for someone older, that I think might of been a better fit with Famke in the movie, Patrick Muldoon (if he was cast from the start, not saying he'd be good for a recast, or anything like that)
Patmuldoon.jpg

http://imdb.com/name/nm0005258/

made this really quick just playing round with how he might of looked, with Famke in the movie (i know its not aht good)

well he looks better than james....
 
No thanks. Patrick Muldoon is probably best known for his role in Starship Troopers (which wasn't very good)... followed by his role on Saved by the Bell? He doesn't particularly look like Cyclops so much as he does a pretty boy... a pretty boy who got stuck in the mid-90s and never got out (if even that).

I'll stick with Marsden. He's a better actor and I think he fits the role of Cyclops better despite his age.
 
No thanks. Patrick Muldoon is probably best known for his role in Starship Troopers (which wasn't very good)... followed by his role on Saved by the Bell? He doesn't particularly look like Cyclops so much as he does a pretty boy... a pretty boy who got stuck in the mid-90s and never got out (if even that).

I'll stick with Marsden. He's a better actor and I think he fits the role of Cyclops better despite his age.

ya, cause, Marsden had so many great roles, before he did the first x-men :whatever:

anyway, I was just using Patrick as an example
i don't have anything agians Marsden as an actor, i was just saying that i felt (that imo) an older cyc would of fit in with the rest of cast better

Edit: new thought, you know, who else, I think (IMO) could of been Interesting in that role, Anthony Michael Hall (with darker hair, Obviously)
AnthonyMichaelHall.jpg
AnthonyMichaelHall.jpg
 
ya, cause, Marsden had so many great roles, before he did the first x-men :whatever:

anyway, I was just using Patrick as an example
i don't have anything agians Marsden as an actor, i was just saying that i felt (that imo) an older cyc would of fit in with the rest of cast better

He had like one or two over Patrick.

Besides Was Marsden really that young? or did he just look younger?

He was 27, i though that was the perfect age to introduce them in.

You can have the idea that he's been there as a student long enough, i'd say by now he's good enough for leader material.

If anything i think Janssens actual age was a bit much.

Although she sure as hell didn't look 35. :)

For an introduction i thought age was perfectly fine. :D

The interesting part is that the ladies where much older than the fellas. :p

Hugh and James i think are younger than both Halle and Famke. :woot:
 
Halle owns them all, both as in being the oldest, and as being the best looking for the age. :p

edit: oops, actually Hugh is younger than Famke too.
 
Well visually for me they appear around the same age, BTW James looks older than Famke in the X-men series especially in X1

and by far of the 4 logan looked the oldest especially in X1, his refined look in X2 and 3 weren't gruff enough as in x1

Well IDK just my 2 cents
 
Halle owns them all, both as in being the oldest, and as being the best looking for the age. :p

edit: oops, actually Hugh is younger than Famke too.

well, halle is the oldest?? how old will be famke, james??
i know halle is older tahn hugh, but sh elooks younger.
i didnt know hugh is younger tahn famke too!! LOL!!
 

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