Chadwick Boseman is Black Panther! - Part 5

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I like what Warren Ellis did with his take on a super advanced isolationist African society Opak-Re in Planetary which is based off of those old pulp novels.

A self sealing city state deep in the jungle that rarely interacts with outsiders.

 

[SlamAdams]

For me though, it's not the not being colonised thing that is complicated, that is easily explained, maybe even assumed by the GA.

It is the fact that if Wakanda was so tech advanced and rich, why would they not help out their fellow African countries prior to and after they were colonised.

Why when the Gorilla cult was banned in Wakanda would loyal followers not go to another country and try and take over with their better tech.

Plenty of countries don't aid their neighbors.

 

[terry78]

It's kind of unfortunate implications, but Wakanda itself is kind of a self righteous misanthropic place. They don't cause grief but don't go out of their way to assist others either. T'Challa may be kind of like that at first but later becomes more open to the world and its issues.

 

[chamber-music]

It actually might be a interesting plot point to see T'Challa voicing his opinion Wakanda should do more to help the world but some Wakandans being against the idea and wanting to stick to their isolationist tradition.

 

[SlamAdams]

It's kind of unfortunate implications, but Wakanda itself is kind of a self righteous misanthropic place. They don't cause grief but don't go out of their way to assist others either. T'Challa may be kind of like that at first but later becomes more open to the world and its issues.

I guess. At the same time, I think there is some moral leeway when it comes to holding one successful nation responsible for helping everyone else when the purpose of a nation is to help the residents.

When it comes to the Gorilla cult, it could be the same case as the Israelis and Palestinians.

 

[WBwins]

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Old, but come on... this one is over. It's the exact reaction Momoa had.

Well thsats settled.Hes Panther

 

[Nokio]

For me though, it's not the not being colonised thing that is complicated, that is easily explained, maybe even assumed by the GA.

It is the fact that if Wakanda was so tech advanced and rich, why would they not help out their fellow African countries prior to and after they were colonised.

Why when the Gorilla cult was banned in Wakanda would loyal followers not go to another country and try and take over with their better tech.

Well I remember reading that Wakanda wanted to aid other african countries and did offer aid to the poor countries in the form of medicines and food. Wakanda was sickened by the corruptness of the leaders of these countries as well as the warring tribes within the countries and also them being influenced by European nations to the point that Wakanda was fearful that they would betray them to the European powers for nothing more riches and women. So their aid was limited and they would never give tech or weaponry to other nations due to that exact fact.

I don't know about this Gorilla cult so I can't comment.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

It actually might be a interesting plot point to see T'Challa voicing his opinion Wakanda should do more to help the world but some Wakandans being against the idea and wanting to stick to their isolationist tradition.

I think this would be pretty necessary in order for people to actually like T'Challa

Well I remember reading that Wakanda wanted to aid other african countries and did offer aid to the poor countries in the form of medicines and food. Wakanda was sickened by the corruptness of the leaders of these countries as well as the warring tribes within the countries and also them being influenced by European nations to the point that Wakanda was fearful that they would betray them to the European powers for nothing more riches and women. So their aid was limited and they would never give tech or weaponry to other nations due to that exact fact.

I don't know about this Gorilla cult so I can't comment.

I guess that is a possibility, although i think medicines and food aid could bypass at least somewhat the various runners of the countries.

 

[Lilbaz]

I dunno. Do cinema goers get the hump with Thor and the Asgardians because they didn't deal with us or made us think they were gods?

 

[Nokio]

I think this would be pretty necessary in order for people to actually like T'Challa


I guess that is a possibility, although i think medicines and food aid could bypass at least somewhat the various runners of the countries.

Well that's all I got for you. I read it during Priest's run on BP. I couldn't stomach Reginald Hudlin's writing on BP. Some stuff was decent but some of the stuff he put in just bugged me and was out of character for a Black Panther series. The worst and jumping off point for me was making Doom a racist.

 

[terry78]

I dunno. Do cinema goers get the hump with Thor and the Asgardians because they didn't deal with us or made us think they were gods?

Well, they're like all powerful aliens, these are humans who as far as we know deal with the same **** everyone else on Earth does. Put their pants on one leg at a time and what not.

 

[The Guard]

The thing about Wakanda...is if you're going to make a movie about a successful country with resources, the reality is that resources are limited, competition exists,countries let other countries suffer and people die all the time for reasons of resources and politics. The politics of Wakanda and its neighbors could easily prevent it from lending all kinds of aid. Make that the hook. T'Challah only cares about his people and his corner of the world, and has to venture out for the betterment of all mankind.

 

[Mike Murdock]

It actually might be a interesting plot point to see T'Challa voicing his opinion Wakanda should do more to help the world but some Wakandans being against the idea and wanting to stick to their isolationist tradition.

I could see somebody, but I'm not sure about T'Challa. He's always struck me as somewhat callous. Granted, my sample size is small. But that was the impression from the BET cartoon as well as when I've seen him in the comics (there was a Daredevil comic where a former Wakkandan had gone to New York and become addicted to gambling and he was very judgmental and was basically like "you're beyond help, but I forbid you from harming your family.").

Maybe he could change over time. In fact, I suspect that no matter what, but I suspect it'll be far more personal (forsaking revenge for ruling his country) rather than delving into the complexities of geopolitics and international relief.

 

[XBRoughneck]

Well thsats settled.Hes Panther

Every black male actor between the age of 25-35 "wants" to be BP.

He's THE black superhero role. Not Blade, not Falcon, not Cyborg. It's Black Panther.

Boyega wants to be BP too.

The question is...who gets the final contract. Hopefully it's not the same guy that played Jackie Robinson and James Brown.

There are better, less known options out there.

At least a guy like Emeka Amene looks the part. I'd rather he get the role that Chadwick.

 

[Brawl]

Every black male actor between the age of 25-35 "wants" to be BP.

He's THE black superhero role. Not Blade, not Falcon, not Cyborg. It's Black Panther.

Boyega wants to be BP too.

The question is...who gets the final contract. Hopefully it's not the same guy that played Jackie Robinson and James Brown.

There are better, less known options out there.

At least a guy like Emeka Amene looks the part. I'd rather he get the role that Chadwick.

I agree but BP is not going to rely on CGI like some of the other Marvel movies as much IMO. That being the case I would not want to risk the BP Franchise on an unknown actor that has never had a big part in anything. Chadwick can act and carry a movie as well as anyone else in the Marvel Universe. It took 3 tries to get the right actor with Hulk, BP will not get that many attempts to get it right. Go with what you know.

 

[fixxxer]

For me though, it's not the not being colonised thing that is complicated, that is easily explained, maybe even assumed by the GA.

It is the fact that if Wakanda was so tech advanced and rich, why would they not help out their fellow African countries prior to and after they were colonised.

Why when the Gorilla cult was banned in Wakanda would loyal followers not go to another country and try and take over with their better tech.

I think that's fairly straightforward to explain, and I think, would stem logically from the colonial angle.

Earlier Black Panthers (T'Challa's ancestors) look to their neighbors and see greedy governments, warlords, corruption and selfishness. They look to the West and see greedy warmongers, colonial armies and usurpers.

Basically, there's a very logical historical context for Wakanda's rulers (the Black Panther line) to seal themselves in, and progress their own agenda for scientific and societal advancement of Wakanda while simultaneously branding the rest of the world as a lost cause.

I think this socioeconomic backdrop would also provide major impetus as a plot driver. T'Challa can be cast as the one who sees that the world beyond is changing and that while there's a lot of nonsense going down out beyond Wakanda's borders, there's still quite a lot of good that's out there that's salvageable. And that some measure of trade and exchange of ideas with the world at large could prove beneficial to everyone.

Of course, these new ideas are not appreciated by the old guard. Major conflict is basically baked in. This frickin' movie writes itself. Conceptually, I really think Black Panther has the most compelling material of any Marvel property.

 

[Lilbaz]

I think that's fairly straightforward to explain, and I think, would stem logically from the colonial angle.

Earlier Black Panthers (T'Challa's ancestors) look to their neighbors and see greedy governments, warlords, corruption and selfishness. They look to the West and see greedy warmongers, colonial armies and usurpers.

Basically, there's a very logical historical context for Wakanda's rulers (the Black Panther line) to seal themselves in, and progress their own agenda for scientific and societal advancement of Wakanda while simultaneously branding the rest of the world as a lost cause.

I think this socioeconomic backdrop would also provide major impetus as a plot driver. T'Challa can be cast as the one who sees that the world beyond is changing and that while there's a lot of nonsense going down out beyond Wakanda's borders, there's still quite a lot of good that's out there that's salvageable. And that some measure of trade and exchange of ideas with the world at large could prove beneficial to everyone.

Of course, these new ideas are not appreciated by the old guard. Major conflict is basically baked in. This frickin' movie writes itself. Conceptually, I really think Black Panther has the most compelling material of any Marvel property.

Would like to see T'Challa had been sent away to the US or UK to university. As his father believes that they can no longer be isolated and his son will need to know a bit about the world outside if he is one day to lead. T'Challa will return after a few years away. He could be quite naive at the beginning and a little spoilt.
Then when he is adjusting to be back home an African Warlord attacks (with the backing of Hydra/Klaw) and takes over in order to gain the vibranium.
T'Challa is forced to flee the country after the death of his father. He then see's the other side of Africa (war torn run and poor). He survives by his wits. Until he meets A shaman who tells him of his spirit totem the black panther and that it is his duty to protect his people. T'Challa then goes into the jungle to find this totem. Blah blah blah. He gets his powers and defeats Klaw and the people who have taken over his country, then takes his rightful place as leader.
He then changes Wakanda's views on isolation. Saying that not only would they need allies but it was their responsibility to help the world. Invites the Avengers to tea and biscuits.

 

[Dark Raven]

Although it wasn't a great film, Sheena starring Tanya Roberts had some beautiful location shoots in Kenya and the cinematography was pretty good too. I'd really like to see Wakanda represented in that way with lush waterfalls and jungles. Apart from Tarzan, we haven't really had many films like this.

Black Panther could be in the whole adventure/ safari/ jungle genre of movies. I just hope that would appeal to people enough that they would want to see it. It could open the way to a Savage Land-set movie eventually.

 

[terry78]

It would be the most Disney-esque plot for an MCU flick ever.

 

[Silvermoth]

Does marvel own the rights to the savage land? For some reason I thought they might get sold along with ff and the x-men?

 

[Dark Raven]

Does marvel own the rights to the savage land? For some reason I thought they might get sold along with ff and the x-men?

I don't know. But since Black Panther and the Inhumans (who are both originally associated with the FF) are at Marvel, it could be a similar situation.

 

[E-Man]

For me though, it's not the not being colonised thing that is complicated, that is easily explained, maybe even assumed by the GA.

It is the fact that if Wakanda was so tech advanced and rich, why would they not help out their fellow African countries prior to and after they were colonised.

Why when the Gorilla cult was banned in Wakanda would loyal followers not go to another country and try and take over with their better tech.

The White Gorilla cult was exiled without the superior tech, so they couldn't really get a good steam of high level tech to advance into Wakanda from outside its borders. A lot of their cult is based around worshipping the white gorillas that are only found in a particular area of Wakanda, so they really just want to fight for their cult to be the dominant one in Wakanda. They're basically like the Black Panther cult that lost the war a long time ago, and don't have anywhere near the base that the Panther tribe has at this point. There is potential for them to have some rogue agents in Wakanda and across the world. It's been touched on a little bit, but they haven't been mentioned on in a long time.

As for why Wakanda doesn't help out its neighbors, there's been a couple of ways this has been dealt with. They usually want to help others, but their isolationist policy keeps them from intervening unless they are directly attacked, and then there's them just shutting off their borders due to lack of trust after several invasion attempts. One of their all time great kings, T'Chaka, got killed with a doomsday device that murdered lots of Wakandans before young T'Challa flipped the script on Klaw. It's easy to see why they don't trust outsiders much in that regard. T'Challa has always been the guy that wants to openly tie in more with the outside world, but even then he's been burned by allowing a refugee zone for neighboring countries going through war. When he did this a ton of Wakandans hated him, and there was a coup attempt used through that by one of his villains and Mephisto. They've been burned a lot, so that's why they can come across as being cold to the outside world. They do have spies all over the world though. T'Chaka mentioned it to Captain America during WW2 in Priest's run. That's how they keep up with the outside world. They don't allow people in, but they've got eyes and ears everywhere.

Now I gotta go read Priest's run again. Too much legendary writing happened then.

 

[Nokio]

Panther and Black Bolt and the Gang are safe at Marvel. God, could you imagine if FOX had their grubby paws on these characters?? Perish the thought! I'm still pissed off about SS and Galactus. I don't know why they are even tied to the F4. The SS should be solo. BP and The inhumane were featured in the F4 just like SS, and yet they aren't locked down by FOX. I don't know who made that deal at Marvel where BP and the Inhumans got away but SS and Galactus stayed. I guessing the knuckle head at Marvel thought their was no way ever that a SS and Galactus would be featured on the big screen because of their outlandishness. This person thought the Inhumans and BP could be done but the SS? GALACTUS???? No way, we'll let FOX keep those characters, they'll never be able to use them. Boy was this person wrong.

 

[Lilbaz]

Although it wasn't a great film, Sheena starring Tanya Roberts had some beautiful location shoots in Kenya and the cinematography was pretty good too. I'd really like to see Wakanda represented in that way with lush waterfalls and jungles. Apart from Tarzan, we haven't really had many films like this.

Black Panther could be in the whole adventure/ safari/ jungle genre of movies. I just hope that would appeal to people enough that they would want to see it. It could open the way to a Savage Land-set movie eventually.

I agree partly. Think it should have both sides to Africa. Part of the film can be as you say a sort of Tarzan/adventure film, but I'd like to see the other side. The Blackhawk Down side. Warlords and utter poverty. It would make a fantastic contrast. Also it could show BP what could be the future for Wakanda if he fails to regain his throne.

 

[Raiden]

I'm beginning to wonder if Marvel has decided to postpone both BP and Capt. Marvel until Phase 4, after Avengers 3 finishes the run for RDJ, Hemsworth, and Evans.