Champions Online VS DC Universe

Also Champions has many features DC doesn't such as the ability to create your own Archvillain who keeps trying to kill you, a GIANT world in which you can even goto underwater cities, the entire world and supervillains to fight constantly changing, secret identities, and more.

You might think this is like any other MMO, but its 09 not 04, this isn't WOW its a next-gen MMO with tons of little functions that no other game has.

Oh and about the lifetime subscription sorry its like 1 year of monthly subscriptions, but I think the 6-month subscription is good for me. You get the same bonuses except its only $60 instead of $200 and it'll hold me off till the next "next-gen" MMO comes out, probably Blizzards.
 
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Why would this be the most expensive? 30 servers isn't hard for a random guy, its easily done with a giant corporation 10 fold. This idea was first told to us at the San Diego Comic-Con 08, but they changed it somewhere in between now and then.

And it should be hard to get Superman, the early bird gets the worm as they always say. Stuck with Aquaman or the Wondertwins maybe yes, you can't satisfy everyone.

so what would be the advantage of word of mouth for this game???
What if I dont find out about this game until a year after it comes out??? What if the box art says "Play as all your favorite heroes" I get the game home and the ones I wanted to play are taken up??? You are limiting the game play value by making it just the main heroes. lets see 30 servers, plus support staff, plus people to make the new stuff...im sure that is expensive???
DCU is going to have 250 characters from their books in the game. Lets go with your 30 servers.....thats 7,500 available characters...lets go 100 servers...25,000 that means that only 25,000 people could play the game...and that 250 wasnt just heroes...thats heroes, villains and supporting characters....
 
Also Champions has many features DC doesn't such as the ability to create your own Archvillain who keeps trying to kill you, a GIANT world in which you can even goto underwater cities, the entire world and supervillains to fight constantly changing, secret identities, and more.

You might think this is like any other MMO, but its 09 not 04, this isn't WOW its a next-gen MMO with tons of little functions that no other game has.

Oh and about the lifetime subscription sorry its like 1 year of monthly subscriptions, but I think the 6-month subscription is good for me. You get the same bonuses except its only $60 instead of $200 and it'll hold me off till the next "next-gen" MMO comes out, probably Blizzards.
Why do you assume DCU Online won't have a large world or underwater cities? Aquaman's a major hero, so I'd expect an Atlantis area and all the other major DC landmarks.
 
Also Champions has many features DC doesn't such as the ability to create your own Archvillain who keeps trying to kill you, a GIANT world in which you can even goto underwater cities, the entire world and supervillains to fight constantly changing, secret identities, and more.

Metropolis is a big city in DCUO. About the size of Manhatten in Spider-man friend or foe, Gotham. They havent talked about other places as it seemed they werent allowed to talk about them at SDCC but what was mentioned was that other cities will be in the game as well as a certain island
You might think this is like any other MMO, but its 09 not 04, this isn't WOW its a next-gen MMO with tons of little functions that no other game has.

the only feature this game has that other ones dont is the archenemy feature

Oh and about the lifetime subscription sorry its like 1 year of monthly subscriptions, but I think the 6-month subscription is good for me. You get the same bonuses except its only $60 instead of $200 and it'll hold me off till the next "next-gen" MMO comes out, probably Blizzards.

which one is that?
 
Why do you assume DCU Online won't have a large world or underwater cities? Aquaman's a major hero, so I'd expect an Atlantis area and all the other major DC landmarks.

not to mention places they did bring up were Wonderwoman's island and Kandor, you get to be a GL so you know OA is in ther plus space....Apokalips, the various mutiple earths, the future with the Legion.
 
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Ya I don't know about the lifetime subscription, I mean I'm all for playing Champions, but for 2 years? I think even better games are gonna be coming out before 2 years goes by.

the lifetime subscription equals out to 1 year payment... the 2nd year is pretty much free.

right now they're only saying that if you want to play, you have to pay the monthly fee. Unlike CoH, theres only one charge. i think its because its new. Sounds right? The fact that they're just starting and want to gain money.. where as CoH, has been around and lowers its cost to bring more people in.

Their other deal is $59.99 for 6 months. Thats $10 a month, and you save $30... but i think if i'm going to buy this game.. i'll always have it... and i'm not going to ONLY play this game. I'll be playing other games or maybe i'll have real life events to tend to. So, with lifetime, i wont feel as if i wasted a months payment... say one day i'm really in the mood to play and i dont have my account.. ok i'll reget my account... then i play 1 day... next month, i get the same feeling.. thats $30 wasted for 2 days.

With lifetime i can come back at any point. Also, i really think that i'll want to play this more then a year. As i see it, its free after a year. A reason i wont play WoW with my friends.. i dont like the game... and to have to pay is stupid.. but if it were free, i'd jump on and join. If i get to a point that i dont like the game because i have to pay, i wont have to worry.. it'll be free lol
 
Two years isn't that long. MMO's are about the long haul, and there's usually enough to do to fill that time, plus the game will likely have updates and newer stuff. I've been playing CoH on and off for five years, and will probably continue doing so after Champions comes out.
 
I dont think (which means i have not found evidence, not that its not out there) that DCU has stated that this game will be about your characters destiny... They have stated tho that you create a character and help the Justice League...

CO has stated that its all about your character. Yes, the turtorial you're working with Defender... but you also get your own arch villain... DCU does not do that. You fight other heroes arch villains.

Roach... i'm lost... you defend DCU... but you seem to sway back and fourth.. which game are you going with?
 
I dont think (which means i have not found evidence, not that its not out there) that DCU has stated that this game will be about your characters destiny... They have stated tho that you create a character and help the Justice League...

CO has stated that its all about your character. Yes, the turtorial you're working with Defender... but you also get your own arch villain... DCU does not do that. You fight other heroes arch villains.

Roach... i'm lost... you defend DCU... but you seem to sway back and fourth.. which game are you going with?
 
Honestly the main appeal in DCU (in my opinion) is the ability to go toe to toe with Lobo, match wits with Lex Luthor and get slaughtered by the Joker. My nemesis in Champions (as in CoH) will be a Lex Luthor parallel anyway.
 
Actually the anthropomorphic Lex I came up with is Lynx Luthor, but my CoV Luthor analog is Cyrus Alexander, a sort of mix between Lex, John Malkovich's Cyrus the Virus from Con Air (the role that convinced me that he'd be an ideal Luthor) and an inside joke about how my brother is convinced that the animated Lex was intended to be black.
 
I'm more for CO, unless DCU is offering something really spectacular. Writing quests is an entirely different animal than writing comics, and I withhold my judgement on Marv and Johns in this arena. We'll see if they're any good at writing half a story for us to finish.

The only thing that's compelling to me about the DCU right now is the GL Mythos. I used to be a big Teen Titans fan, but part of that appeal is being a junior leaguer, and the rest of it is teaming up with a small like-minded group. I don't see that happening so much. "Booster Silver" may never see the light of day.

From what I've seen of DCU, now that I've been enlightened, their customizability has nothing on COs. It's not like they're a little bit behind, and who knows what they might be able to accomplish during Alpha and Beta, but they're not even going that direction. They might have a lot of in-game/loot related development and advancement and diversification, but as far as creation itself, it can't get much more simple: Pick your Power, your Source and your Travel Power. Done.

And their acrobatics run looks ugly, though CO could do with some wall sticking.

Why would this be the most expensive? 30 servers isn't hard for a random guy, its easily done with a giant corporation 10 fold. This idea was first told to us at the San Diego Comic-Con 08, but they changed it somewhere in between now and then.

And it should be hard to get Superman, the early bird gets the worm as they always say. Stuck with Aquaman or the Wondertwins maybe yes, you can't satisfy everyone. Also do you know how many heroes/villains there are in DC, believe me you would not have to make a server for every player.

A system to let players use the main characters of an IP, taking into account some are vastly more popular/powerful/desirable than others is a big, big cookie. First come first serve is absolutely unacceptable. In order for everyone to have a shot, they have to be able to change hands, and to do so fairly. This means they have to be earned, and competed over, and won or rented for some period of time.

The method of gaining Hero Points to rent the big heroes or the method of competing could be anything. Maybe the custom characters have several hundred leaderboards they are measured on, and each hero corresponds to a particular leaderboard accomplishment. Maybe players gain Hero Points along with XP, and can 'save up' for time as Title Hero. Maybe there are missions and/or task forces that act as an additional gateway to access certain characters.

Regardless, such a system is too complicated for the streamlined design they seem to be shooting for.

How anyone sees DCU's graphics as "cartoony" is a bit odd to me.
 
DCU's graphics look based on their animated cartoons... hence the cartoony appearance
 
Seeing as how comic art is considered cartooning, I think a "cartoony" look is appropriate.
 
I dont think (which means i have not found evidence, not that its not out there) that DCU has stated that this game will be about your characters destiny... They have stated tho that you create a character and help the Justice League...

I have not seen anything to suggest that all you do is help the JLA...yes you will and in a game like this I would almost expect to help the big guys as opposed to a game like COH(that I love dearly) but it seems the big heroes took the day off the minute everyone else showed up to play. I watched a game video of Brainiac attacking the Metropolis and you kept running into the main heroes helping out. In DCU you can join the JLA, JSA, Teen Titans or Outsiders or anyother team that DC has or create your own.

CO has stated that its all about your character. Yes, the turtorial you're working with Defender... but you also get your own arch villain... DCU does not do that. You fight other heroes arch villains.

Roach... i'm lost... you defend DCU... but you seem to sway back and fourth.. which game are you going with?

I will try both games. The only thing I look forward to in CO is archenemies which you wont get until level 25 (according to what I read at the official messageboards). The microtransactions is tempting me to write this game off. The ability to buy something in game is going to see a rise of a lot of Uber noobs...level 2's that can kill level 9's or no one wants to do that hard mission to get a piece of loot because you can just buy it. It really reminds me of AE in COH.
I am really looking forward to DCUO and havent seen anything yet to turn me off of it. The big thing to me is that you can be any of their legacy heroes. You want to be a Green Lantern you can, want to be a Flash you can.
 
The microtransactions is tempting me to write this game off. The ability to buy something in game is going to see a rise of a lot of Uber noobs...level 2's that can kill level 9's or no one wants to do that hard mission to get a piece of loot because you can just buy it. It really reminds me of AE in COH.

Is that how it's supposed to be like? You'll be able to buy items or equipment that give you advantages? I thought it'd be like gear that alter your appearance. I can't believe that the CO devs would do something like this.


I am really looking forward to DCUO and havent seen anything yet to turn me off of it. The big thing to me is that you can be any of their legacy heroes. You want to be a Green Lantern you can, want to be a Flash you can.

Is this really anything special though? I'm sure you could make Flash and Superman clones in CO as well, if you wanted to. CO has no classes and you can pick pretty much any power you want. It would be a simple thing to create a Superman clone. Super strength, invulnerability, flight, heatvision, icebreath and you're pretty much set.
 
however if someone were to report you, like in CoH, you'll be Generic 7489532...

Theres copy rights on the charactes, where in DCU, since its a DC game, you dont have anything to worry about
 
I'm not saying you should make a character called Superman and have him wear the exact same costume. But there's nothing stopping you from creating a character with the exact same powers.

Also, you won't be able to make Superman in DCUO either. So I don't undertstand that last comment of yours. There's one Flash, one Batman, one Superman, you won't see legions of them running around. But you'll see characters with similar or exactly the same powers.
 
Woah you people post fast, I'll say one thing firstly, when I said that place its because I KNOW that Champions has it, I don't know if DC does, but Champions DOES have the underwater city. It has a name, but it escapes my thought right now. Anyway the point is Champions is probably gonna have a bigger world, you people really do miss the point don't you.

As for "the only thing the Champions has over DC is the archvillain" thing well for one I said there were gonna be more although most of them idk since I haven't even played the game yet, and for two ok Champions has that over DC, what does DC have over Champions? And the archvillain thing is pretty cool, plus Champions will have the ability to create your own missions for other people (just like in City of Heroes except improved). I doubt DC will have that from the start like Champions will.

Then there are the powers, I've yet to see any real abnormal traveling powers in DC demenstrations, just the basic ones like flight, super speed, etc. In the Champions presentations you've seen Iceman's ice sliding, Spider-Man's swinging, tunneling underground, jumping around off buildings and crap like a monkey, jet boots, hover discs, teleportaton, and if they have those they're gonna have a hell of lot more.

So heres some more :grin:
  • Archvillains
  • Many Traveling Powers
  • Create and Player User Missions
 
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the copy right on the characters is what stops you from using DC or Marvel characters on CoH... in DCU, wont you beable to play as Superman? You could be Supa Man, Super Man, Sooper Mahn... etc, and not be reported. Or so i assume. You can be reported in CoH, or CO because DC owns the rights to Superman... so any look alike will be changed
 
edited, my computer sent another double post... must be lagg from playing CoH at the same time as posting
 
Woah you people post fast, I'll say one thing firstly, when I said all those place its because I KNOW that Champions has them, I don't know if DC does, but Champions DOES have them such as the underwater city. It has a name, but it escapes my thought right now. Anyway the point is Champions is probably gonna have a bigger world, you people really do miss the point don't you.

Lemuria is the under water city
 
Well about the copyright, theres either two things that will happen.

1. Almost nobody has look alikes in which no one will care
2. There will be so many look alikes they'll either give up or you'll probably never get caught because there are so many of you
 

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