Chapter 23 - "How To Stop An Exploding Man" - Discussion Thread 5/21/07

[Tyrinus]

The Peter flying away complaint is getting old. It's been shown that he can lose control over his power already, he had just absorb several new abilities, and Ted's power is even hard for Ted to suppress at times. He was focusing his concentration, just because he didn't have 'Hiro's concentration face' doesn't mean he wasn't doing it.

And has anyone considered that Sylar was realizing events were unfolding as he'd seen them, and part of what he saw was him being stabbed but surviving, so he let it happen because he knew it wouldn't stop him in the long run?

 

[Neptune]

I'd believe that. But still it was very sloppy of them and specially of Hiro to not finish the job of killing Sylar. Nobody even wondered where he went.
And is it me or is the whole Niki/Jessica thing still really vague?

 

[Mysterio]

Also, largely unrelated: has it ever been established whether the Linderman/Petrelli/Nakamura/Deveaux cabal is connected to Bennet's "company"?

yes, on a number of occasions. the first concrete evidence we had was Candace kidnapping Micah and personally handing him off to Linderman. prior to that, we had only seen Candace working with Thompson and Bennet.

 

[Mysterio]

I'd believe that. But still it was very sloppy of them and specially of Hiro to not finish the job of killing Sylar. Nobody even wondered where he went.

He looked dead to me. His eyes flashed with memories or visions of the future and then went blank. it's not as if he got up in the middle of the crowd and in the middle of police and paramedics and walked away. don't you think someone would've noticed and said something if the body had just disappeared? the only clue given to the audience that Sylar may be alive was the blood trail into the sewers and the cockroach scurrying away.

 

[AFan 2]

The Peter not flying argument is old. But i will use my sick anology to explain it.

When you feel sick you are using all your concentration to hold it in until you can find a place to throw up. Now try and picture the last time you felt really sick and imagine that someone else now gives you three balls and asks you to juggle would you be able to do it???

Nope you would probably spew, which is why Peter was too busy trying to make himself not blow but unfortunatly the flood gates had opened.

 

[moguy]

I'm really surprised this topic is only 13 pages. I expected it to be much, much bigger. Most earlier episodes had a much longer discussion thread.

As for Peter's not flying, some time ago I read in an interview with the writers, that he can only use one power at a time. It is one of the ways they keep him from becoming too powerful. And before anyone asks, I don't have a link (I can't remember exactly where i read it.)

Since Peter had problems turning off Ted's powers, he wouldn't have been able to fly.

Can anyone think of an instance where Peter used 2 powers at the same time? I can't, so the logic seems intact to me.

 

[bigwillch]

Was I way off the mark that when I watched it I thought the eclipse at the end was caused by a flying saucer?

 

[AFan 2]

I'm really surprised this topic is only 13 pages. I expected it to be much, much bigger. Most earlier episodes had a much longer discussion thread.

As for Peter's not flying, some time ago I read in an interview with the writers, that he can only use one power at a time. It is one of the ways they keep him from becoming too powerful. And before anyone asks, I don't have a link (I can't remember exactly where i read it.)

Since Peter had problems turning off Ted's powers, he wouldn't have been able to fly.

Can anyone think of an instance where Peter used 2 powers at the same time? I can't, so the logic seems intact to me.

Yeah in the episode where Clauude through him off the roof and he healed, the next minute he was going invisable while his eyes went all white and he started to hear everyones thoughts. When he was training with Claude on the roof they were both Invisible when Peter also used his TK to snap the stick. Also when he went to confront issac he went invisible i assumed he was telekenticallly throwing the paint pots at Issac.

 

[Mysterio]

Was I way off the mark that when I watched it I thought the eclipse at the end was caused by a flying saucer?

yes.

 

[Mysterio]

Yeah in the episode where Clauude through him off the roof and he healed, the next minute he was going invisable while his eyes went all white and he started to hear everyones thoughts. When he was training with Claude on the roof they were both Invisible when Peter also used his TK to snap the stick. Also when he went to confront issac he went invisible i assumed he was telekenticallly throwing the paint pots at Issac.

after Claude figured out how Peter accessed his powers, Peter began rapidly cycling through the powers he had absorbed. he wasn't using more than one at the same time. and when he stopped/snapped the stick, they weren't invisible. i don't think he was using telekinesis when he was in isaac's loft. i think he was running out and knocking things over.

 

[Mattchew]

after Claude figured out how Peter accessed his powers, Peter began rapidly cycling through the powers he had absorbed. he wasn't using more than one at the same time. and when he stopped/snapped the stick, they weren't invisible. i don't think he was using telekinesis when he was in isaac's loft. i think he was running out and knocking things over.

i like the idea of suing them in a certain order... that kinda awesome.

 

[AFan 2]

after Claude figured out how Peter accessed his powers, Peter began rapidly cycling through the powers he had absorbed. he wasn't using more than one at the same time. and when he stopped/snapped the stick, they weren't invisible. i don't think he was using telekinesis when he was in isaac's loft. i think he was running out and knocking things over.

Actually his hand were invisible the same time his eyes were white and he heard voices, it was not as if one was on then switch off and onto another, the writers have never discussed the maxes or limits of his powers yet. Also on the roof they were invisible when he was training because the scene starts off with you just hearing them the camera pans round an they are there, much like in the scene when Peter and Claude walk down the street bumping into people, in some of the shots they are there in some of them they are not so they are invisble, the stick snapping would not have had the same ipact if you could not have seen it. Plus they were invisible the whole time because Issac was looking for Peter but just painting thin air.

 

[Mysterio]

Actually his hand were invisible the same time his eyes were white and he heard voices, it was not as if one was on then switch off and onto another, the writers have never discussed the maxes or limits of his powers yet. Also on the roof they were invisible when he was training because the scene starts off with you just hearing them the camera pans round an they are there, much like in the scene when Peter and Claude walk down the street bumping into people, in some of the shots they are there in some of them they are not so they are invisible, the stick snapping would not have had the same impact if you could not have seen it. Plus they were invisible the whole time because Issac was looking for Peter but just painting thin air.

he also wasn't in control of the powers, either. he still isn't. so while he may eventually have the control to use two at once, right now he doesn't. yes, they started out invisible on the roof, but when Peter used telekinesis, he wasn't. it's a stretch to assume they were invisible the whole time, just as it's a stretch to assume that a snapshot in time that Isaac painted means they were invisible the entire time. it's a good theory...really. and it's a good argument, but it's not certainty.

 

[AFan 2]

he also wasn't in control of the powers, either. he still isn't. so while he may eventually have the control to use two at once, right now he doesn't. yes, they started out invisible on the roof, but when Peter used telekinesis, he wasn't. it's a stretch to assume they were invisible the whole time, just as it's a stretch to assume that a snapshot in time that Isaac painted means they were invisible the entire time. it's a good theory...really. and it's a good argument, but it's not certainty.

you do have a point, im sure season 2 will explain things clearly, i think pete will be able to use more than one power in the future butright now he may be limited.I dont think his powers will have limits howeveri can see him going the anakin skywalker route i.e. he has too much heart.We were also told by mr bennets conversation with Sylar that too many powers can corrupt your DNA and make you go crazy. So i can see peter losing it come season 3 and the rest having to team up to take him down.

 

[PeteVenkman]

just watched the scene in the strip club in String Theory again. Peter is invisible when Nikki sits down at the bar. He uses telekinesis to bring the second glass towards him, while invisible. So, he definitely will be able to use more than one power at a time at some point. He's just nowhere near able to do that now, which is why Nathan had to fly him away.

 

[Manic]

I have a thought...

We all know Peter will survive the explosion. But what happens afterward? What stops him from exploding again? He's not going to suddenly lose Ted's power. It's always going to be there, and he's going to have one hell of a time learning to control it.


Re: The League of Parents
We know that Linderman could heal others. Hiro's dad is likely immortal or a time traveler (those were definitely Takei's eyes behind that mask). Charles Duveaux apparently could walk into people's dreams-- time limitations be damned. Have they stated what the Widow Petrelli can do?

 

[Abaddon]

we don't know what Mama Petrelli can do, but I would think it might have something to do with her habit of stealing they mentioned in an early episode.

 

[The Question]

I don't think Hiro's dad is immortal or a time traveler. At least, not in the classic sense for either. It's little more than a gut feeling, but I think that they're going to do something different with him than what we'd expect. As in, Hiro's dad and Kensei will be the same person, but he won't be immortal or a time traveler. Again, it's pretty much just a gut feeling, but it's mine.

 

[Sebastos]

I don't think Hiro's dad is immortal or a time traveler. At least, not in the classic sense for either. It's little more than a gut feeling, but I think that they're going to do something different with him than what we'd expect. As in, Hiro's dad and Kensei will be the same person, but he won't be immortal or a time traveler. Again, it's pretty much just a gut feeling, but it's mine.

Yeah, I don't think he's a time traveler. That'd be too much like Hiro. Hiro's father being immortal is what i'm sticking with.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, I don't think he's a time traveler. That'd be too much like Hiro. Hiro's father being immortal is what i'm sticking with.

I don't think it's that either. Of course, the only reason is that, if I were writing it, I'd try and be more clever than that. Besides, I'm pretty sure his power has something to do with the fact that he can take on entire armies solo and win, and if that's the case, then immortality would be too close to Claire aswell.

 

[Sebastos]

I don't think it's that either. Of course, the only reason is that, if I were writing it, I'd try and be more clever than that. Besides, I'm pretty sure his power has something to do with the fact that he can take on entire armies solo and win, and if that's the case, then immortality would be too close to Claire aswell.

Well said. It's just the fact that when Hiro teleported, and we saw the army, the one in read looked like Hiro's dad. That lead to me thinking that maybe he was immortal. That would explain quite a few. Like how he mentioned "he was awating for a Nakamura to ascend" like someone pointed out. And plus, he didn't look like he aged when we saw him in "Company Man."

 

[The Question]

Well said. It's just the fact that when Hiro teleported, and we saw the army, the one in read looked like Hiro's dad. That lead to me thinking that maybe he was immortal. That would explain quite a few. Like how he mentioned "he was awating for a Nakamura to ascend" like someone pointed out. And plus, he didn't look like he aged when we saw him in "Company Man."

No, I think he is the same guy. I just don't think he's immortal. I think they're going to be a bit more clever than that.

 

[Sebastos]

No, I think he is the same guy. I just don't think he's immortal. I think they're going to be a bit more clever than that.

We'll just have to wait and see. There's no dount that it was Kaito.

 

[The Question]

One thought I had was that maybe his power is superhuman "good luck." The reason he can't be killed and is an unstopable force is not because he's indestructibke, per say, but simply because nothing ever manages to hurt him in the first place. Similarly, he never gets sick and never has accident. The only problem with that theory is that it doesn't explain why he doesn't look any older.

 

[knockturnal23]

I wonder what has happened to Mrs Bennet? Does anyone think Thompson killed her?