Chapter 23 - "How To Stop An Exploding Man" - Discussion Thread 5/21/07

[Lord Follen]

but your forgeting it was all insacrifice and it showed him trying to redeam himself... he killed himself by taking peter up. it was an act that showed. 1) yes he can be manipulated i.e. mother and linderman in thinking he can obtain it all. and 2) that he has the want to do the right thing. I doubt that he would have the time to get peter to a safe distance from the city and let him drop back to the ground and excape. its imposible becasue you wont know when he would explode and if he droped him to soon he would fall to far and destroy the city anyway.
i also think that nathan did what he did because itr was an all or nothing plan. he was either going to let peter explode and take the fame and glory in trying to repare the nation or he was to die doing the right thing.

 

[Zipperedgorilla]

nathan did it so he wouldnt let his brother die, he could have flown away and lived because peter would do the same for him. I'm betting that they both live whether or not the rumors are true because they both have care for each other and neither would let the other die.

 

[GNR]

yes, i did and no, he didn't. you're overthinking it, "genius".

What the hell do you call that noise and sphere like cloud Nathan made when he changed direction?

You're just not thinking.

 

[SouLeSS]

I heard that they were going to create an entirely new set of characters and plot for volume 2 but it doesn't look that way. Was it a false rumour?

I feel like some of the characters have gone as far as possible, as much as I love them all.

They were originally planning on doing it this way, but I guess too many people got attached to the characters.

 

[Spike_x1]

Yeah, Nathan does fly past the sound barrier. Sonic boom at the 48 second mark.

 

[Mysterio]

that wasn't a sonic boom. that "poof" was the effects dept having fun just like they do with Sylar's voice now and then. just like the writers said fans were overthinking Candace not reverting to her true form after she was punched out, you guys are overthinking Nathan "breaking the sound barrier".

 

[Spike_x1]

Do you actually have any reason for thinking that Nathan can't break the sound barrier, even when presented with hard evidence? It's really quite plain as day to see that he can. There's no overthinking involved at all. We heard the sonic boom, and we saw the ripple cloud (whatever the technical term for it is). What's there to overthink?

 

[PeteVenkman]

Looks and sounds like a sonic boom to me. He does it at least twice (well sylar does it once in String Theory) each time he'll take off, gain speed, get to a certain point and boom. Why is it hard to believe that he would be able to break the sound barrier. The guy can fly, whats to say what his limit is. His body is obviously adapted to the effects of flight. Like the rough landing he made in Spike's clip.

 

[Mysterio]

Do you actually have any reason for thinking that Nathan can't break the sound barrier, even when presented with hard evidence? It's really quite plain as day to see that he can. There's no overthinking involved at all. We heard the sonic boom, and we saw the ripple cloud (whatever the technical term for it is). What's there to overthink?

what's there to overthink? this ridiculous discussion. yes, i do have reason. fanboys go to ridiculous extremes in overanalzying the smallest minutiae. on numerous occasions the writers have said exactly that: fans are thinking too hard about trivial details that not even the writers have thought of or cared about. this is nothing more than the effects dept giving us something cool to see on tv. that's it.

 

[PeteVenkman]

I don't understand how this is one of those trivial details. I can about candace and her "natural appearance." But this is a matter of man flies fast and creates a sonic boom, ergo, faster than speed of sound. I didn't realize that it was in doubt with anyone.

 

[Spike_x1]

Agreed with Venkman. There's no reason for doubt at all, other than you saying there is and disagreeing with the footage just because ( ). Yes, the effects guys have fun. So what? That's not a reason for thinking that he can't break the sound barrier. That's grasping at straws to try to find a reason why he can't. You seem to be the one overthinking about this instead of going with the completely obvious and most simple explanation that Nathan can fly faster than sound. That's not overanalyzing at all. In fact, it's the exact opposite and underanalyzing it, just taking it at face value (which we have no reason to second guess whatsoever).

EDIT: I'm sure the effects guys have fun with everything they do, but why does that have to mean that what they're showing isn't accurate with what the characters can do with their powers?

 

[Mysterio]

^ exhibit A in overanalysis

 

[Spike_x1]

No, it's an explanation and emphasis on why overanalysis isn't required when it comes to evidence that's as plain as day.

There's a difference.

 

[Zipperedgorilla]

^ exhibit A in overanalysis

Exhibit B in ignorance.

 

[Mysterio]

No, it's an explanation and emphasis on why overanalysis isn't required when it comes to evidence that's as plain as day.

There's a difference.

i could explain how your entire position is based on overanalyzing and overthinking, but i don't want to bog down the thread any more than it already has been. we disagree, and i'll leave it at that.

 

[Spike_x1]

Us: "Looks and sounds like a sonic boom = sonic boom" (yes, quite obviously overthinking on our part ).

You: "He can't break the sound barrier on the basis that the effects guys enjoy their job and everyone who thinks he can are fanboys who put too much thought into everything."


Uhh... okay?

 

[Mysterio]

that was one helluva mischaracterization.

 

[Spike_x1]

You haven't given any other "evidence" to deny Nathan breaking the sound barrier. I thought it was an oscar worthy performance.

 

[Zipperedgorilla]

Spike, I wouldn't even bother with him. He fought me the same way with the Uluru topic a few days ago. No "evidence" is ever present, just statements of how we never get it or will understand the significance of the topic.

 

[Tyrinus]

How is the sonic boom thing even disputable...it's there, plain as day.

 

[Zipperedgorilla]

How is the sonic boom thing even disputable...it's there, plain as day.

Exactly, but few will always dispute the facts. If I close my eyes, and I cant see it, then it doesnt exist.

 

[Spike_x1]

I'm still struggling on how he came to believe that we're the ones overanalyzing the subject.

It's hilarious, but also quite puzzling.

 

[Zipperedgorilla]

We will probably never know. Or are we overanalyzing this?

 

[Katsuro]

Us: "Looks and sounds like a sonic boom = sonic boom" (yes, quite obviously overthinking on our part ).

You: "He can't break the sound barrier on the basis that the effects guys enjoy their job and everyone who thinks he can are fanboys who put too much thought into everything."


Uhh... okay?

Dude, he's right though. Actually, Nathan can't even fly. It's just the effects guys having fun. They thought it would look cooler if he flew so they just kinda screwed around. That's all man, dont overthink it!

 

[Manic]

Everyone, I don't know how to tell you this, but...

I think Mysterio is just trying to push your buttons.