The Dark Knight Rises Character Juggling

[imposserus]

hmmm, it was what made all my non geek friends wanna see it, and then they became geeks because if it...
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it became cultural -look at all the internet jokers that poppedup
it is reasonable to attribute that to his death
his oscar is reasonable to attribute to his death


that's something

but back to the topic eh,
or should i challenge you to future tennis?

 

[Sith Scotti]

Can we stop with the Spiderman 3 comaprisons . The problem wasn't too many characters . It was the damn script itself that was silly. I trust Nolan willb not turn this into the campy mess where Batman is doing a Saturday Night Feaver dance

 

[Secret Fawful]

It's not how much screentime the characters get, but what is done with that screentime that matters.

 

[imposserus]

Can we stop with the Spiderman 3 comaprisons . The problem wasn't too many characters . It was the damn script itself that was silly. I trust Nolan willb not turn this into the campy mess where Batman is doing a Saturday Night Feaver dance

my goodness i hopeso
that would be terrible terrible terrible

 

[Bat-Mite]

hmmm, it was what made all my non geek friends wanna see it, and then they became geeks because if it...
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it became cultural -look at all the internet jokers that poppedup
it is reasonable to attribute that to his death
his oscar is reasonable to attribute to his death

People were dressing up like the Joker and such before he died. It was done at the comic con and for the scavenger hunt where they asked people to send pictures of themselves painted up like Joker. If Heath Ledger himself is such a huge draw, it begs the question as to why his truly last film, The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus, wasn't the hit that TDK was? It made a whopping 7 million in North America.. wow. The only thing that I agree with you with is that his Oscar can be attributed to his death, seeing how they snubbed him for his performance in Brokeback Mountain.

But yeah, I'm done now.

 

[Conebone69]

sm3???!!!

it could happen
good 1
awesome 2
terrible 3

could happen

There is no ****ing possible way this move could be worse then SM3.

Nolan is a much more brilliant director then Raimi, lets get serious..

 

[Blue Sugar]

 

[Doc Holliday]

I'm put off by Talia apparently being in the movie. Not only because it's another extra villain, but I'm also afraid Bane will be a League lackey for her.

It seems Bane is destined to serve along side female villains on screen. First Poison Ivy and now Talia

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Brother Jack]

What I don't understand is those who tend to assume that Nolan's going to screw up after having seen and loved his previous Batman movies (or even his non-bat projects). Now, I understand not preferring to do certain things in the story because it's not what you would have done. I mean, I was and am not a big fan of Talia being in the movie, but I trust that Nolan knows what he's doing. Has he not proved himself enough? Do you really think he'll undermine Bane, the main villain of the piece?

 

[Anno_Domini]

So far, TDKR doesn't seem to have a couple of major things that BB and TDK had, and those are characters and storylines regarding the legal system(the District Attorney and his assistant) as well as mob bosses and their underworld dealings. Which those apparently taken out of the third film, I can see much room to be filled up with a third villain and still not be so condensed as Spider-Man 3 was.

So...in Christoper Nolan I trust.

 

[Hole Shot]

I'm put off by Talia apparently being in the movie. Not only because it's another extra villain, but I'm also afraid Bane will be a League lackey for her.

It seems Bane is destined to serve along side female villains on screen. First Poison Ivy and now Talia

See, I think you're just a little ahead of yourself. We don't know the dynamic of Talia and Bane yet. I believe she's alligning herself with him, not necessarily employing him. And she's using her "in" at Wayne Enterprise to help arm him. And who knows if one ends up turning on the other.

 

[GrimmReaper7]

The only reason I'm a little cautious at this point is because the three villains he has all require a good amount of development to be done well. Neither Catwoman, Bane, nor Talia are characters like the Joker in which they can appear fully formed and not need any backstory explanation, or character development. (Catwoman could appear without backstory, but she still needs to develop as a character.) This takes time, and it's hard to do that well with three very interesting characters.

I am worried one of these characters is going to get the short end of the stick development-wise.

I feel the same way. Nolan had two main baddies in TDK and one never reached their full potential. I was happy with just Bane and Catwoman as Bane would have been the main villain with nice character development and Catwoman would in a way be TDKR opposite of Dent (starting out bad in the begining and towards the end turns good but not necessarily a villain per say just at odds with Batman). But now that Talia's in that brings it to 3. Not saying that it's impossible but doing all 3 justice will be very hard to do and I'm afraid that Bane is the one that will be screwed over in the end which sucks cause he is a very interesting villain and brings more to the table than Talia who doesnt bring as much fresh or original ideas. It seems like there is waayyy to much going on here.
1)Talia wanting revenge
2)GCPD chasing Batman with Gordon probably secretly helping Bat's out
3)Bane's involvement which is a ??? now that Talia is in it
4) Bruce dealing with his fathers company
5) Catwoman???? no idea how she is gonna fit into this

 

[Laderlappen]

This movie doesnt have more characters than the other two.

BB/TDK/TDKR

Batman/Batman/Batman
Gordon/Gordon/Gordon
Alfred/Alfred/Alfred
Lucious/Lucious/Lucious

Ra's/Joker/Bane
Scarecrow/Dent/Catwoman
Rachel/Rachel/Tate

Then we have fake Ra's, Falcone, Earle, Thomas Wayne, and more in Batman Begins.
Reese, Maroni, Ramiez, and more in The Dark Knight.

 

[lililatigresse]

can we stop with the spiderman 3 comaprisons . The problem wasn't too many characters . It was the damn script itself that was silly. I trust nolan willb not turn this into the campy mess where batman is doing a saturday night feaver dance

This This This This!

 

[Hole Shot]

Can we stop with the Spiderman 3 comaprisons . The problem wasn't too many characters . It was the damn script itself that was silly. I trust Nolan willb not turn this into the campy mess where Batman is doing a Saturday Night Feaver dance

Exactly. I don't understand the sudden "too many characters" freak out occuring. TDKR doesn't appear to have more characters than Begins or TDK, and both of those had more than SM3.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Saturday Night Feaver?

 

[Infinity9999x]

I have a feeling Nolan will be able to pull off having so many characters in the film. I think the movie, given it's the final installment, will be about three hours long, so there will be plenty of breathing room for the characters. Also, the Lord of the Rings movies had an insane amount of characters, and they turned out fine. I don't see a reason why TDKR can't do it as well.

Well, LOTR was also three full films, so it's easier to develop that many characters.

And imposserus, I do agree that there is a valid concern that this could be mishandled. However, I'm not as much worried about the movie being bad as characters suffering. For example, I think the character of Scarecrow was underused in terms of that character's potential in Batman Begins. BB was still a great movie though. I could see a similar situation to that happening here.

 

[ManInTheNarrows]

This movie doesnt have more characters than the other two.

BB/TDK/TDKR

Batman/Batman/Batman
Gordon/Gordon/Gordon
Alfred/Alfred/Alfred
Lucious/Lucious/Lucious

Ra's/Joker/Bane
Scarecrow/Dent/Catwoman
Rachel/Rachel/Tate

Then we have fake Ra's, Falcone, Earle, Thomas Wayne, and more in Batman Begins.
Reese, Maroni, Ramiez, and more in The Dark Knight.

I was waiting for someone to use this breakdown. My friends who are not as big of a bat geek as i am, always say well there are going to be to many characters. And then i simply remind them that Batman Begins and the Dark knight both had x3 villains each. It's all in the script and the execution. And with Nolan i don't have anything to worry about.

Batman Begins:

Falcone
Scarecrow
Ra's Al Ghul

The Dark Knight:

Maroni
Two Face
Joker

 

[helloiamben]

sm3???!!!

it could happen
good 1
awesome 2
terrible 3

could happen

 

[Coaxial]

Who says that Miranda and Blake even have huge roles? They'll be significant sure, but Nolan could kill them off halfway through the movie like Watanabe.

Maybe Miranda/Talia gives Bane WE technology, then Bane kills her off so there are no witnesses and he is sole top dog? It could be symbolism for Bane killing off any remnant of Al Ghul influence in the LoS and make it his own. Lots of possibilities that can happen.

 

[Fanticon]

i'm not worried about this, i don't look at them all as villains, but players in the central story that will serve a part, small or not, but critical to the plot presented to us. Credible actors are filling these side roles and some of those side roles are big names in the comics, so familiarity is key in Nolans movies so that you recognize your still in the batman universe, seeing characters and stories collide in Nolans take on it all. These supporting characters are cast very well, that says something about where Nolan is going with this and it won't be wasteful.

 

[JackWhite]

I have faith that Nolan will be able to deliver the goods for his third and final installment in his Batman Trilogy. But I will be honest, I never wanted both Catwoman and Talia in the same movie, at least not TDKR. I wanted Catwoman since The Dark Knight came out, but conceded to having just Talia instead of Catwoman or the other way around if it meant both being in the same film. Of course, it's not my decision and it looks like Miranda Tate = Talia Al Ghul.

Anyways, when it was announced that Bane and Catwoman Selina Kyle would be in "Rises" I was elated and hoped they would be the main and only big player villains for Batman to tangle with. Of course, having Catwoman play the more shade of grey and Bane be the full blown threat. Then I heard Marion was cast and felt a little let down, but I'm over that now. It might be trite, but I trust in Nolan!

 

[imposserus]

it's so wrong



i feel the need to blind my self w/ chopsticks
and not even finish my lo mein

 

[imposserus]

t:

t:++

i don't know to laugh or cry

 

[HisMagicTrick]

I was a little bit nervous as well, but I think these concerns are unnecessary. The other two previous films were excellent, and they had quite a few characters in them. I think we're all just jumping to conclusions too quickly.

People were dressing up like the Joker and such before he died. It was done at the comic con and for the scavenger hunt where they asked people to send pictures of themselves painted up like Joker. If Heath Ledger himself is such a huge draw, it begs the question as to why his truly last film, The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus, wasn't the hit that TDK was? It made a whopping 7 million in North America.. wow. The only thing that I agree with you with is that his Oscar can be attributed to his death, seeing how they snubbed him for his performance in Brokeback Mountain.

But yeah, I'm done now.

I'm so glad someone finally made that point
Some people are just in denial that others actually did enjoy The Dark Knight.