The Dark Knight Rises What the RISES might imply...

[Lungrocket]

So you want Batman to be beaten up Bourne-style and thrown into walls? Go for it.

I guess seeing Batman get 'beaten like a rag doll' by Rah's and trounced on by the Joker is pretty much enough for me.

Its far more dramatic and suspenseful to see the hero put into predicaments where he faces impossible odds. The villain needs to be superior to your hero so the hero can overcome.

Having the hero handle everything is far less dramatic and gripping.

 

[Cordoba]

Its far more dramatic and suspenseful to see the hero put into predicaments where he faces impossible odds. The villain needs to be superior to your hero so the hero can overcome.

Having the hero handle everything is far less dramatic and gripping.

Sure, but what you're asking for is Batman to be beaten to a pulp, which for me, would not be an exciting prospect. What would be so interesting about seeing Batman get knocked around for two-hours? It's hardly a creative prospect, and if Nolan stooped to that level, I'd probably hail him a bottler.

 

[souvlaki]

I think Bane (revamped without the venom injections and made as just one seriously jacked dude) could be a good henchman or muscle for Deacon Blackfire.

That's a combo I wouldn't mind seeing.

Why on Earth would you get rid of the venom injections? Are people seriously so hung up on the realism thing that a guy that uses a drug to make them more buff is not realistic? I get the impression that people think of venom as being like Batman and Robin where it's some skinny guy that gets super buff instantaneously. It's been a while since I've read Vengeance of Bane, but isn't venom more or less just a pumped up version of steroids?

 

[Gianakin_]

Sure, but what you're asking for is Batman to be beaten to a pulp, which for me, would not be an exciting prospect. What would be so interesting about seeing Batman get knocked around for two-hours? It's hardly a creative prospect, and if Nolan stooped to that level, I'd probably hail him a bottler.

I don't think he was implying that. He was saying that Ra's was beating Batman while the latter was at the very beginning of his career.

Now that he's more experienced, Lungrocket, suggest a physical threat on par with Batman's current skills.

 

[Cordoba]

I don't think he was implying that. He was saying that Ra's was beating Batman while the latter was at the very beginning of his career.

Now that he's more experienced, Lungrocket, suggest a physical threat on par with Batman's current skills.

Um, what? Lungrocket said that in the next film he wants to see a villain who completely overpowers Batman, physically, and throws him into walls and stuff. Hence the post that you quoted.

 

[Gianakin_]

Um, what? Lungrocket said that in the next film he wants to see a villain who completely overpowers Batman, physically, and throws him into walls and stuff. Hence the post that you quoted.

Well, he was talking about a challenge which makes Batman rise (heh) to the occasion. Something in the vein of "In the 1st battle Batman's taken 100% in surprise and steadily wises up and overcomes the powerful opponent", but with his present experience and skills/abilities.

It's nothing too demanding to ask from a Bat villain.

 

[Cordoba]

Well, he was talking about a challenge which makes Batman rise (heh) to the occasion. Something in the vein of "In the 1st battle Batman's taken 100% in surprise and steadily wises up and overcomes the powerful opponent", but with his present experience and skills/abilities.

It's nothing too demanding to ask from a Bat villain.

Not saying it is too demanding, but Lungrocket's original post insisted that he wants to see a villain who challenges Batman physically, not mentally, and yet in the past two films we have seen villains who have been a physical challenge to Bats.

Batman was solid as a rock in BB, but Rah's still played him like a guitar on the train. Having Batman being thrown into walls might be fun... as a brainless action scene.

 

[Lungrocket]

Um, what? Lungrocket said that in the next film he wants to see a villain who completely overpowers Batman, physically, and throws him into walls and stuff. Hence the post that you quoted.

Yes, but I wasn't saying this should be going on for the entire length of the film.

 

[Lungrocket]

Well, he was talking about a challenge which makes Batman rise (heh) to the occasion. Something in the vein of "In the 1st battle Batman's taken 100% in surprise and steadily wises up and overcomes the powerful opponent", but with his present experience and skills/abilities.

It's nothing too demanding to ask from a Bat villain.

That's exactly what I am saying.

 

[Cordoba]

Yes, but I wasn't saying this should be going on for the entire length of the film.

Cool, you want to see Batman thrown into walls on occasion. How original.

 

[Gianakin_]

Not saying it is too demanding, but Lungrocket's original post insisted that he wants to see a villain who challenges Batman physically, not mentally, and yet in the past two films we have seen villains who have been a physical challenge to Bats.

Batman was solid as a rock in BB, but Rah's still played him like a guitar on the train. Having Batman being thrown into walls might be fun... as a brainless action scene.

He said he wanted a villain to challenge him physically, not the only villain in this film to be a physical threat.

 

[Lungrocket]

Not saying it is too demanding, but Lungrocket's original post insisted that he wants to see a villain who challenges Batman physically, not mentally, and yet in the past two films we have seen villains who have been a physical challenge to Bats.

It was explained clearly to you the differences. Joker was not a physical challenge. Just a dirty sneaky guy that would crack you over the head from behind. He posed no threat outside of his masochism and insanity.

Batman was solid as a rock in BB, but Rah's still played him like a guitar on the train. Having Batman being thrown into walls might be fun... as a brainless action scene.

In the temple, Ra's beat an untrained man down to prove a point. On the train, Batman was coming into his own, and quickly got the better of Ra's. All Ra's did was manage a throat hold and a few body blows.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it brainless. So you'd rather have Batman just cruise through the film unscathed?

 

[Cordoba]

He said he wanted a villain to challenge him physically, not the only villain in this film to be a physical threat.

Again - I'll repeat myself - Lungrocket's original point was that he wants a villain who can challenge Batman physically and not mentally, for a change.

Now, we have seen Batman on the receiving end of a few beatings in Nolan's films. Penny dropped yet?

 

[Lungrocket]

Cool, you want to see Batman thrown into walls on occasion. How original.

I was using that as an example. Not the exact thing. By your rational, you'd rather Batman drink a martini for two hours and look cool cause your afraid to dirty up the hero.

 

[Lungrocket]

Again - I'll repeat myself - Lungrocket's original point was that he wants a villain who can challenge Batman physically and not mentally, for a change.

Now, we have seen Batman on the receiving end of a few beatings in Nolan's films. Penny dropped yet?

I said not JUST mentally. Schools out. Thank you.

 

[Cordoba]

It was explained clearly to you the differences. Joker was not a physical challenge. Just a dirty sneaky guy that would crack you over the head from behind. He posed no threat outside of his masochism and insanity.

Yes, but he still had Batman on his ass and in pain. If, in the third film, there was a villain that could beat up Batman for a laugh, the ends would be just the same: Batman would be on his ass and in pain. The conflict would be exactly the same!

In the temple, Ra's beat an untrained man down to prove a point. On the train, Batman was coming into his own, and quickly got the better of Ra's. All Ra's did was manage a throat hold and a few body blows.

Quickly got the better of Rah's? How false. Rah's made easy work of a very tough Batman, without barely breaking a sweat. Batman only got Rah's by distracting him by telling him to check the monorail situation.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it brainless. So you'd rather have Batman just cruise through the film unscathed?

I don't mind Batman being beaten on, but you made out like we haven't already seen a villain who has been a physical threat to Batman...

 

[Cordoba]

I said not JUST mentally. Schools out. Thank you.

Oh, dear.

 

[DCRanger]

Rises?

1.) That Catwoman will be in the movie (and hopefully played by Marion Cottilard)
2.) That the ending will be the exact opposite of Dark Knight (Batman will triumph).
3.) That somehow Batman saves Selina/Catwoman... from the same type of fate that Harvey/Two Face had.

 

[Cordoba]

I want a villain who actually poses a physical threat to Batman. Not just tests his mind.

Lungrocket, do you read your own posts?

 

[Gianakin_]

I want a villain who actually poses a physical threat to Batman. Not just tests his mind.

Lungrocket, do you read your own posts?

It's perfectly clear what he said. And we haven't had that yet. Joker was a mental threat and Ra's a physical.

 

[Lungrocket]

Yes, but he still had Batman on his ass and in pain. If, in the third film, there was a villain that could beat up Batman for a laugh, the ends would be just the same: Batman would be on his ass and in pain. The conflict would be exactly the same!

Batman got beat on and he was fine ten seconds later, cause he caught Joker after he lashed him over the side. They were sissy hits.

Quickly got the better of Rah's? How false. Rah's made easy work of a very tough Batman, without barely breaking a sweat. Batman only got Rah's by distracting him by telling him to check the monorail situation.

The battle was over so fast its not even funny. It really wasn't that intense. And Batman shattered Ra's blade, all Ra's did was get him in a headlock.

I don't mind Batman being beaten on, but you made out like we haven't already seen a villain who has been a physical threat to Batman...

Not in the way I want to see it go down. The pain ripple should carry over past the end of the scene.

 

[Lungrocket]

I want a villain who actually poses a physical threat to Batman. Not just tests his mind.

Lungrocket, do you read your own posts?

Yes. I'm not the one who left JUST out of it when they tried to repeat what I said.

 

[Lungrocket]

Again - I'll repeat myself - Lungrocket's original point was that he wants a villain who can challenge Batman physically and not mentally, for a change.

Do you read yours?

 

[Lungrocket]

Rises?

1.) That Catwoman will be in the movie (and hopefully played by Marion Cottilard)
2.) That the ending will be the exact opposite of Dark Knight (Batman will triumph).
3.) That somehow Batman saves Selina/Catwoman... from the same type of fate that Harvey/Two Face had.

I'm down with that.

 

[Ardent15]

The title implies that Batman rises from the ashes of the events that occurred in TDK (Rachel's death, Harvey's death, the city losing hope, Batman being wanted for murder now).