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The Dark Knight Rises Two questions... Villains vs. Villains...

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Hypothetically, if the three films' primary villains and secondary villains were to face off, who would come off best?

It'd be R'as Al Ghul, the Joker and Bane against each other as well as Scarecrow, Two Face and Catwoman in their own fight.

What d'you reckon? I'm having a hard time deciding what I think but I only saw Rises 10 hours ago.

hmmmmmm
 
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Ra's al Ghul vs Joker vs Bane is a tough one. I'll get back to you on that.

But...I think Scarecrow will be the victor with Scarecrow vs Two-Face vs Catwoman. That gas is the main thing on why Dr. Crane will win.
 
Bane would beat Joker as he has the perfect defence against any magic trick.
 
Ra's al Ghul vs Joker vs Bane is a tough one. I'll get back to you on that.

But...I think Scarecrow will be the victor with Scarecrow vs Two-Face vs Catwoman. That gas is the main thing on why Dr. Crane will win.

I doubt that gas would effect someone who conquered fear. It would only make Bane go berserk and thing will go worse.
 
Scarecrow, Joker and Two Face were not fighters. They'd be no match in a fair physical fight against the others.
 
Ra's would win among the main villains. Bane would never be able to get off the ground. His men are all former League of Shadows members and they are loyal to Ra's more than Bane. Ra's had no problem subduing Bane in the actual backstory of the film. As for Joker, Ra's has too many resources and is too good of fighter if it ever comes down to a personal battle. Joker was only as successful as he was because Batman has rules that he won't break. Ra's doesn't have that problem. He is a completely different level of threat from Joker.

As for the minor villains, I would go with Catwoman. It won't be Two-Face that much is obvious, so it is between the other two. I will go with Catwoman. I doubt she puts herself in a position where Crane can exploit his powers and we know from Batman Begins & The Dark Knight that he is of no physical threat whatsoever. Catwoman could probably beat him before Crane even knew she was there.
 
I often wonder to myself, as far as if Heath were still alive and Joker were apart of this movie, how he would factor in...

My theory...

Joker hates authority coming from anyone, good (the police, the government, Batman) or bad (the mafia, Bane, Ra's al Ghul).

Joker would end up turning Bane's Gotham completely upside down just like he did before, and would probably end up becoming the real threat in the third act. He would have one hell of a time ruining Bane's plans, and Bane would regret ever letting him out before the end.

In fact, he would probably assemble an army of his own to depose of Bane, and do everything he could to make sure Gotham remained in a state of complete anarchy.

Bane might be intelligent and a brilliant strategist/tactician (as well as fighter), but the Joker's just too ****ing unpredictable and clever.
 
Yeah, I imagined if Joker was in it, it'd be like the game arkham city with the different factions fighting over territory, batman and the cops, bane and his league of shadows, and joker and his crooks/psychos.

Obviously the story would be way more indepth and cooler, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was along those lines.
 
I think if it ever came to a physical fight, Bane would win easily, but if it were a battle of wits the Joker's unpredictability would be his friend. He would second guess Bane straight away I reckon.

Catwoman would batter the other two, depending on how lucky she got from Two Face's coin flips...
 
Obviously Joker, Bane and Ra's are the heavies. Catwoman would scat before she got pulled in over her head (the only time she confronted Bane was when he was distracted and she had a mounted cannon on her bike).

I think Two-Face did as much damage to Bruce psychologically as either Joker or Bane, if not somewhat more. But he wouldn't be able to kill any of them, save maybe Scarecrow who is a subservient weakling. He'd likely fall in line with Ra's. Between the other three, Scarecrow would gas the Joker who would laugh. And Joker would pit Bane and Ra's against each other. Who wins? I dunno. Either way, Joker will play them off each other and kill the winner.

I will add if Joker saw Bane, Catwoman and Two-Face he'd pat himself on the back for bringing the "better class of criminals" to Gotham. Perhaps there are more out there in the intervening years.
 
Does Ra's get to use his sword? Then I vote for him. Heck, even without it I'd say Ra's. He'd know Bane's weak point.
 
Bane might be intelligent and a brilliant strategist/tactician (as well as fighter), but the Joker's just too ****ing unpredictable and clever.

Ra's, Bane, Talia and The League of Shadows would be far too much for The Joker to handle. He'd get slaughtered by Bane alone.
 
Yeah, he'd simply grab him and break his neck.
 
In a one of one fight, Bane would DESTROY Neeson's Ra's. Neeson didn't even put up much of a fight on the third act of Begins. I put it on him being an older man. But in his prime, Ra's could probably beat Bane.
 
Ra's, Bane, Talia and The League of Shadows would be far too much for The Joker to handle. He'd get slaughtered by Bane alone.

Many have underestimated Joker--Batman: "One man or the entire mob?...he can wait"/"Two-bit whack job in a purple suit, he's not the problem...."/"He thinks he can take a slice and sit the job out, now I know why they call him the Joker"/"You think you can steal from us and just walk out of here?! I'm putting a price on your head...."--to their own peril.

In a one of one fight, Bane would DESTROY Neeson's Ra's. Neeson didn't even put up much of a fight on the third act of Begins. I put it on him being an older man. But in his prime, Ra's could probably beat Bane.

Depends. I got the sense Ra's and Batman were about equal in terms of ability in BB and Bruce just got the upperhand by surprising Ra's when he destroyed the track. So, Ra's would probably do about as well as Batman did in his second go with Bane. The trick is if he knows to go for Bane's face. That, he would likely know.
 
In a one of one fight, Bane would DESTROY Neeson's Ra's. Neeson didn't even put up much of a fight on the third act of Begins. I put it on him being an older man. But in his prime, Ra's could probably beat Bane.

Yeah Bane would just say "You fight like an older man!" and crush him. But he would never do such a thing to his savior and the father of his beloved friend Talia.
 
Bane wins the first round. I'm inclined to say Two Face is round two because he has a gun and Scarecrow and Catwoman don't. That wouldn't matter in the comics but in the Nolanverse..... Bane wins all. Throw Batman in this competition and you have something.
 
Joker wins the main fight, whether it be comics Joker or Nolan's Joker. We're talking about the only Nolan villain who essentially 'won' in the end, whereas Batman clearly defeated the others.
 
Many have underestimated Joker--Batman: "One man or the entire mob?...he can wait"/"Two-bit whack job in a purple suit, he's not the problem...."/"He thinks he can take a slice and sit the job out, now I know why they call him the Joker"/"You think you can steal from us and just walk out of here?! I'm putting a price on your head...."--to their own peril.

The League of Shadows are not thugs and mobsters. The organization is filled with Ninjas/Mercs. On top of that, Bane and Ra's are proficient experts in the hand-to-hand combat department. The Joker is basically a dead man here if he dared to face off against Bane or Ra's.
 
The League of Shadows are not thugs and mobsters. The organization is filled with Ninjas/Mercs. On top of that, Bane and Ra's are proficient experts in the hand-to-hand combat department. The Joker is basically a dead man here if he dared to face off against Bane or Ra's.

Joker wasn't exactly a dead man when he faced Batman, who is about on the same level as Ra's.

In hand to hand combat, yeah, Ra's and Bane would destroy Joker but otherwise, Joker plays dirty. Like unleashing dogs on them and using a crowbar.
 
Joker wasn't exactly a dead man when he faced Batman, who is about on the same level as Ra's.

Batman had no intention of killing The Joker. Bane and Ra's, however, won't hesitate to kill an obstacle or threat. That's the difference.

In hand to hand combat, yeah, Ra's and Bane would destroy Joker but otherwise, Joker plays dirty. Like unleashing dogs on them and using a crowbar.

Unleashing dogs and using crowbars and knives won't help The Joker here. Whats to stop Ra's and/or Bane's men from executing The Joker?
 
The League of Shadows are not thugs and mobsters. The organization is filled with Ninjas/Mercs. On top of that, Bane and Ra's are proficient experts in the hand-to-hand combat department. The Joker is basically a dead man here if he dared to face off against Bane or Ra's.

And that overconfidence is why they'd lose. Batman was trained by the LOS and he had schemes and he had plans and look where that got him. :oldrazz:

Joker would let Ra's and Bane duke it out and kill the winner. But not before mocking Bane, Catwoman and Two-Face by taking credit for their existence. The only time he has come close to losing was when Harvey's coin was in the air. And even if Harvey did pull the trigger if it landed another way, the Joker still would have won. And nobody seems to see it coming even though it is the only character trait that is predictable.
 

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