Days of Future Past Charles Xavier's legs

[Silvermoth]

How should Charles Xavier loose the ability to walk? Should it match the 616 comics or something closer to the Ultimate 'verse. Perhaps even something new? Thoughts?

 

[TNC9852002]

It would be predictable if the movie has it so that he loses his legs by the hands of Magneto, but, ya never know..

 

[merbass]

Jean !

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Dr. Strange has to break them because when crossed they form a portal through which Shuma Gorath can enter this universe

 

[chaseter]

As predictable as Magneto doing it as someone said, I think that is the best route. It just further adds depth to their strained friendship.

 

[OB12]

I think that Xavier should be crushed by falling debris. The problem with having Magneto maliciously break Charles is that it would be hard for me to buy their relationship, which is really quite civil, in the later movies. If someone causes your paralysis, I find it hard to believe that you would be able to be that nice to that person.

Now, what I could see happening is during a skirmish with the villian, Charles looks on as Magneto goes totally over the line using excessive force to stop the threat. Charles tries to restrain him but is inadvertently crushed by falling debris from Magneto's rampage. It would still be Magneto's fault, but it wouldn't be purposeful and Charles would realize that there is a rage in his friend that he can't control.

 

[TNC9852002]

Well, that's what I always thought.

Magneto wouldn't have done it purposefully or under his own control--it would be an accident from something that Magneto indirectly caused to happen. Like, maybe Magneto is doing no good and Xavier and maybe his mutant students (not "X-Men" yet) try to intervene and things get nasty.

They start fighting (defensively) and something happens. Morph dies and Xavier gets crushed and after that, Xavier goes balls to the wall and then he creates the X-Men full-blown. He starts training the most powerful students, gives them outfits, and then they fight near the end of the movie--at first with each other and probably again together against a common enemy.

The issue is--can it be addressed in FC at all--since we've seen in X3 that Xavier, in his early-mid 40's, was walking around and smiling...feeling good.

 

[X-Maniac]

I can't see how Xavier could become disabled in First Class if he was walking at the end of Wolverine (circa. 1989) and at the start of X3 (circa. 1986).

 

[TNC9852002]

Exactly---I definitely think they should've had him in that wheelchair in Wolverine. What a loss.

Now I don't know how FC will be able to deal with that--they could possibly hint at it--maybe in the movies, he's hurt badly in FC, but his paralysis becomes gradual over time (but is that medically possible?).

 

[X-Maniac]

Exactly---I definitely think they should've had him in that wheelchair in Wolverine. What a loss.

Now I don't know how FC will be able to deal with that--they could possibly hint at it--maybe in the movies, his paralysis becomes gradual over time (but is that medically possible?).

Well, not really, if the Wolverine scene (1989) was only 3 years after the X3 scene (1986). He could have been disabled in that three years though.

This also means that the scene we were talking about with Jean and Annie had to take place after the X3 scene in 1986. So it won't be part of First Class unless we have huge leaps forward in time.

All this is the inherent challenge with prequels. I hope Fox/Vaughn are taking it into account.

 

[JP]

This whole Xavier in X3 and Wolveirne debate is tiring. They used Patrick Stewart because he's PATRICK STEWART. Why cast a random young actor when you can use the man people already associate with Xavier? No matter how much they de-aged him he'd still look old, because Patrick Stewart is old.

Look at Sex And The City 2 (I can't believe I'm referencing this!). There is a flashback scene that takes place in the 80's when all 4 women were teenagers. Still, the same actresses played those roles. Now there is talk of a SATC prequel. Does that mean they can't cast a 20 year old actress to play Carrie in 1988 because in SATC2 we saw that in 1988 Carrie still looked like Sarah Jessica Parker?

I suppose FOX will have to pull a George Lucas and insert McAvoy and Fassbender into those scenes to appease certain fans.

 

[X-Maniac]

This whole Xavier in X3 and Wolveirne debate is tiring. They used Patrick Stewart because he's PATRICK STEWART. Why cast a random young actor when you can use the man people already associate with Xavier? No matter how much they de-aged him he'd still look old, because Patrick Stewart is old.

Look at Sex And The City 2 (I can't believe I'm referencing this!). There is a flashback scene that takes place in the 80's when all 4 women were teenagers. Still, the same actresses played those roles. Now there is talk of a SATC prequel. Does that mean they can't cast a 20 year old actress to play Carrie in 1988 because in SATC2 we saw that in 1988 Carrie still looked like Sarah Jessica Parker?

I suppose FOX will have to pull a George Lucas and insert McAvoy and Fassbender into those scenes to appease certain fans.

You've missed the point. Completely.

We aren't talking about the actors, we're talking about the timeline.

This thread is about how Xavier came to be in a wheelchair and how it will be shown in First Class.

I said that he was standing on his own two feet in the scene at the start of X3 (set '20 years ago' and estimate to be in 1986) and in the scene at the end of Wolverine (which we estimate to be 1989).

He lost the use of his legs sometime between the end of Wolverine (1989) and the start of X1 (15 years later in 2004).

So, if First Class takes place in the 60s (judging from the ages of the actors cast), then Xavier won't become disabled and go in a wheelchair unless we see leaps forward in time.

Remember, we saw young Magneto at the start of X1. It was 1944. He was about 10.

We're just working out a timeline, not fussing over the casting.

 

[JP]

Well, if Scott and Jean are involved, as reported by the never wrong Heat Vision blog, then I would assume that we will see a span of time.

 

[X-Maniac]

Well, if Scott and Jean are involved, as reported by the never wrong Heat Vision blog, then I would assume that we will see a span of time.

Yes, that's true, if we do see young students at the school, it must leap forward to the 80s/90s.

Of course, rather than being constrained by the previous films, they may ignore some of the existing continuity, just as the Planet of the Apes prequel is ignoring the events of the previous movies (in which Caesar was born from parents who travelled back in time from a future Earth).

 

[Megaton Sun]

Charlie & Eddie Murphy should beat Xavier's ass for ruining their couch.

 

[ChaoticPsylocke]

obviously xavier losing his legs after wolverine is perfectly fine. he was walking in wolverine just fine, and he just got cyclops as a student. now that he is gathering a team or group of students in 1989 then he can still lose his legs after that. just like how yall were discussing. i dont see any continuity issues.

 

[TNC9852002]

The issue is that in 1989, Xavier was a 50 year old Patrick Stewart and not a 30 year old James McAvoy...

 

[JP]

The issue is that in 1989, Xavier was a 50 year old Patrick Stewart and not a 30 year old James McAvoy...

Er, that goes directly to my previous post.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

Patrick Stewart should break them for stealing his role!

 

[merbass]

They might leave Charles and Erik recruiting Jean in X3 as it is, but the scene in Wolverine could be Charles's trick to the student's mind to see him. Even Scott hears the voice of Charles even before he appears. That's just my idea.

 

[topdog1]

I think that Xavier should be crushed by falling debris. The problem with having Magneto maliciously break Charles is that it would be hard for me to buy their relationship, which is really quite civil, in the later movies. If someone causes your paralysis, I find it hard to believe that you would be able to be that nice to that person.

Now, what I could see happening is during a skirmish with the villian, Charles looks on as Magneto goes totally over the line using excessive force to stop the threat. Charles tries to restrain him but is inadvertently crushed by falling debris from Magneto's rampage. It would still be Magneto's fault, but it wouldn't be purposeful and Charles would realize that there is a rage in his friend that he can't control.

Thinking the same thing. I hope they hold continuity with the other films in terms of character. I could care less about the "we're just working out a timeline" when fanboys try and match all four films to this one. I don't need to be so technical or anal about such things. When X-Men says the "not too distant future" that's good enough for me. Wolverine didn't use any dates and that was smart.

If you get caught up in dates with the Marvel Universe (movie or regular)you'd go crazy. When was Cap thawed out exactly??? After all, he saved President Ronald Reagan's life after he was thawed out right? Sometimes, you have to look past technicalities and tell the good story.

 

[X-Maniac]

Thinking the same thing. I hope they hold continuity with the other films in terms of character. I could care less about the "we're just working out a timeline" when fanboys try and match all four films to this one. I don't need to be so technical or anal about such things. When X-Men says the "not too distant future" that's good enough for me. Wolverine didn't use any dates and that was smart.

If you get caught up in dates with the Marvel Universe (movie or regular)you'd go crazy. When was Cap thawed out exactly??? After all, he saved President Ronald Reagan's life after he was thawed out right? Sometimes, you have to look past technicalities and tell the good story.

Excuse me! Don't dismiss me as some anal fanboy.

We're not exactly nitpicking, as there's nothing yet to nitpick on, we're debating possibilities.

It would, however, be good if events matched up since this is a prequel. You'd think there would be a franchise bible at the studio, to ensure a consistent universe. I'd like to think that everything slotted together without too many questions and conflicting scenarios or they may as well just make it all up as they go along.

As for dates, there has been evidence on screen during the previous films that enable a rough timeline to be calculated, for instance young Magneto in 1944 at the start of X1 and the 2004 date on a television during X2.

People writing TV series or book series have charts mapping out characters and timelines so they don't suddenly mess up dates and ages (though it does happen), so I would hope a film franchise does something similar rather than throwing it together.

I wouldn't expect every detail to match (like different actresses playing Kitty in all three films, even the different look of the adamantium room between X2 and Wolverine) but I would hope for some sort of coherent flow so the films feel part of an overall story. It's lazy not to take the other films into account, especially if this is a prequel to them.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

They should be smooth and silky.

 

[Figs]

I've read just about everyone's post in this thread and had to ask, did Fox say anything about this film even being tied in with the past three films or will it stand on it's own?

 

[X-Maniac]

I've read just about everyone's post in this thread and had to ask, did Fox say anything about this film even being tied in with the past three films or will it stand on it's own?

It's officially described as a prequel.

Prequel.

Prequel.

Prequel.

Did I mention it's a prequel?

I'm so fed up with having to say that every five seconds on here.

By the way, it's a prequel.