The Dark Knight Rises Christian Bale Rules Out Robin For Batman 3 (and beyond)

[RobinWB]

LOL at Bale's comments. Robin stays in the comics only. I've never been a fan of side-kicks. And besides, the two worst Batman films had Robin in it. We don't want camp to enter the Bat-world again.

thats you dude your in the minority, and Bale's an ignoramus for stating that.

 

[RobinWB]

Yes, he was for the most part ruined in the 60s and in the first movie franchise. This could be robin's redeeming moment in the media.

i agree with you about robin in the 60's, but i disagree with you about the 90's franchise, i found Nothing wrong with Chris O'donnel's Portrayal Of robin in Forever. he played it serious, not campy, so what he was little older. people seem to forget Batman Forever as far as now is the Highest Grossing batman film EVER! Begins didnt even manage to outgross it!lol what joke!

 

[batman497]

I love solo batman flicks but I tink robin would cool be if done correctly. I like the way they did tim drake in batman animated. I think if they didn't pull a batman forever on us and changed things it could be cool.
Do's
1. Batman finds dick grayon in a crackhouse working as an errand boy for low lifes.
2. Batman takes him in to re-channel his rage against crime.
3. Tony Zucco is a lone shark working for the mob.
4. Incorporate circus very minimally
5. Robin should be 12 yrs old.
6. Robin needs edge he should be as hardcore as batman.
7. Robin should be in the shadows he shouldn't be seen with batman.

Don't
1. Have bruce wayne at the circus where dick's parents are killed.
2. Have robin in those lame colors. A pre-nightwing costume would be cool.
3. Have robin fight adults head on. It would look stupid to see him beating adults up.

 

[RobinWB]

I love solo batman flicks but I tink robin would cool be if done correctly. I like the way they did tim drake in batman animated. I think if they didn't pull a batman forever on us and changed things it could be cool.
Do's
1. Batman finds dick grayon in a crackhouse working as an errand boy for low lifes.
2. Batman takes him in to re-channel his rage against crime.
3. Tony Zucco is a lone shark working for the mob.
4. Incorporate circus very minimally
5. Robin should be 12 yrs old.
6. Robin needs edge he should be as hardcore as batman.
7. Robin should be in the shadows he shouldn't be seen with batman.

Don't
1. Have bruce wayne at the circus where dick's parents are killed.
2. Have robin in those lame colors. A pre-nightwing costume would be cool.
3. Have robin fight adults head on. It would look stupid to see him beating adults up.

totaly disaagree with you batman finding robin in a crackhouse? ridiculously lame! and batman should be seen with Robin! there Partners for GOD SAKES! and dick Grayson should be given the Tim Drake costume, and have it be dark Red and and the cape be black, with gold in the inside of the cape, and the gold belt like Christian bale's there was someone who did manip that looked awesome with Christian as Batman with robin those pics were awesoem! anyone know where those are here?

 

[Nightwing1977]

Saying he'll chain himself up and refuse to work is saying more than just "that's not the direction we wanna go in." Exaggeration or not.

God, you realize Bale was quite joking about the "chain himself up". Bale is known for his humor, even if it a little sarcastic. He might consider changing his mind if they make the movie good with Robin. Some of you folks are taking his comment way too serious....literally. He just isn't a big fan of Robin. In fact, many want Robin to take a seat for now. Beside, he is quite right they don't want to go in that direction. With how dark the Nolan's Batman films is right now, Robin wouldn't fit. He is more of a very light character like Spider-Man or Superman, that it wouldn't make the Nolan's films feel the same if he add Robin. Why change something with how good the Batman films are doing right now without Robin? I don't want a trainwreck like Spider-Man 3 if Nolan do any sequel & is force to add Robin because of whining fans or WB doing the deed.

 

[wellsy]

Sarcasm doesn't come across well with just written words Nightwing. The words we say only constitute ~5% of what we intend to communicate (most of it's body language, and the rest is in the tone of the voice).

 

[Sentinel X]

Dude, no Robin. Nolan doesn't want it (I think the charecter is lame too) but most importantly...Nolan doesn't want it. Let him have his own vision of Batman...there are a lot of charecters we may never get to see. If anything get Catwoman to be a "sidekick" for Batman...Im happy they want to leave robin out, yay!

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Personally, I think there's a decent way to bring "Robin" into this film, although it may be a little tough. Also, I'm not a huge advocate of bringing Robin into this series, but I've got faith in Nolan doing it right. Regardless, I can't see it being too easy... But here's a "rough draft", so to speak, of how I could see it working more easily:

1- Obviously, bump Robin up a couple years... I'd say, minimum, 16 or 17 years old. The same story comes into play, however- Dick's a trapeze artist whose family is killed due to Zuccos distortion of the circus the Graysons perform for. Bruce adopts Dick with Dick almost unwilling, and becomes even more unhappy with Bruce's constant leaving.

2- Dick has some talk with Alfred (most likely, just as in Dark Victory, about Bruce's childhood and the loss of his parents), that eventually leads to Alfred saying something that (unbeknownst to Alfred) goes through Dick's head as, "This is my opportunity to fight crime and get back at Zucco!"

3- Dick creates the Robin persona, and tries to track down Batman, (whether to aid him or to challenge him [possibly due to the accusations of Batman being a criminal, and that he may have a link to finding/beating Zucco]- or even both- would have to be decided) parading around to try to fight crime. After a few meetings, Batman finds Robin to be Dick. Bruce plays this off as if he found out about it through the police/news, and "grounds" Dick, disallowing him to leave the manor.

4- During this particular story, Bane comes into play as well. Eventually comes the battle between Batman and Bane in which Bane breaks Batman's back. Gotham devolves at a moderate rate into chaos since the police force isn't very capable of operating effectively without Batman's help. The media is flooded with, "Where is Batman?"

5- While Bruce is immobile and bed-ridden in Wayne Manor, Dick takes this as his opportunity to "explore", finding the cave. He finds a Batsuit (perhaps a new prototype or a "spare" of the TDK suit?), which he takes and develops into his own suit with his own symbol.

6- When issues in Gotham go from bad to worse, the police force try again to use Batman's signal (some time after realizing that Batman may be "dead", maybe?), and here appears Dick Grayson- only this time, as Nightwing, who manages to help the police force take Bane down.

At least, that's how I see it. It could be a perfect opportunity to bring in Dick and Bane, as I'm sure some fans out there want to see.

I also had small ideas about Jason Todd and Tim Drake being brought in later as well, but we'll save those for another conversation. Let's worry about Dick first. :P

 

[Mandalore464]

Honestly, if you have a 16-year-old with only a month or so of training in martial arts and his past as a trapeze artist as his sole experience in charge of ridding Gotham of the crime in general AND Bane in particular, well... Gotham is screwed. So I think they should keep Batman around the whole time. And, I want to see the final evolution of Batman into the Batman we know, and Christian Bale is doing a good job, so I wouldn't have him confined to a bed anytime soon anyway.

But I like how this take has Dick going from Robin to Nightwing so fast (Basically, Robin would only be his persona while he has no access to gadgets and better technology for his outfit, and has to rely on his former circus uniform, and he'd become Nightwing as soon as he officially joins the Batman team, right? I think that's cool)

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Honestly, if you have a 16-year-old with only a month or so of training in martial arts and his past as a trapeze artist as his sole experience in charge of ridding Gotham of the crime in general AND Bane in particular, well... Gotham is screwed.

But I like how this take has Dick going from Robin to Nightwing so fast (Basically, Robin would only be his persona while he has no access to gadgets and better technology for his outfit, and has to rely on his former circus uniform, and he'd become Nightwing as soon as he officially joins the Batman team, right? I think that's cool)

Yeah, well I mean, I had the idea originally taking place over the course of longer than a month... Perhaps a year? Or maybe we can look at Dick turning 18 as his "coming of age" as a real hero for Gotham... I.e.- when he becomes Nightwing.

For training, also, since Bruce won't admit to Dick that he's Batman nor will he train him in martial arts, Dick can do just as Bruce does as was detailed in Hush- he can become increasingly obsessed with fighting, martial arts, and the sciences of fighting, just as Bruce did after his parents' deaths, and he can train all over the city.

 

[Mandalore464]

Sorry man, I edited my post while you were replying... Added arguments as to why I think Batman should be kept around.

And to reply to your post, I am not opposed to a Robin/Nightwing that would be 18 or so. I know it CAN be done. But have him responsible for the whole city, even after 2 years of training here and there in Gotham, while Batman spent 7 whole years around learning techniques from the best of the best because he had the money to afford the travels and the teachings, that is a big difference.

I know you're not saying that it should be done exactly that way, and there are ways around it, and I am only giving an opinion on what you wrote considering it's the scenario they'd choose to go by.

Other than that, as I said, I really don't want to see Batman confined to a bed, cause I pretty much consider the Nolan movies as Batman's trilogy (If trilogy it becomes), and I really want to see him fight crime right til the end of it.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Sorry man, I edited my post while you were replying... Added arguments as to why I think Batman should be kept around.

It's all good. Yeah, I don't like the idea of Batman being bed-ridden either, but I do feel like Gotham should need Nightwing when he appears. Perhaps his martial arts training could happen during his grounding, then Batman gets his back broken, and Nightwing appears in a shorter span of time?

The story's always open for editing, especially since I just kind of thought of it off the top of my head a few days ago. And, for the obvious fact, that it's not even a movie script.

 

[GL1]

With how dark the Nolan's Batman films is right now, Robin wouldn't fit. He is more of a very light character like Spider-Man or Superman, that it wouldn't make the Nolan's films feel the same if he add Robin.

Dude... do you read comics? Or are you just talking about costume colors?

Imagine troubled Natalie Portman following Al Pacino around in Heat and helping him solve crimes. Robin in Christopher Nolan's Batman films would come off as slightly more believable than that.

Didn't see the movie, but just had to comment this a great example of people's imaginations going dead when Robin comes up. If Joker isn't making smiling fish in Dark Knight, why do we think Robin has to be following Batman around to be a viable member of the supporting cast.

Having read through this thread, I could see Robin working in the current continuity. Of course, this isn't a "Robin or bust" statement, or "anything but Robin" (both of which are utterly stupid IMO). The progression would be very, very easy...

...In short, Robin acts as messenger rather than direct crime fighter. When he does fight, he only does so when the odds are already stacked in his favour (don't fight battles that you haven't already won, no?).

Intelligence and patience are really all a writer needs to bring in Robin and make it work.

Quoted for Reasonableness. Wisdom lies here.

 

[returntovoid]

I have nothing against Robin but Nolan's Batman films are going really well and the introduction of Robin could ruin his Batman films IMO.

 

[hegele]

remember what happened the last time a director gave in to what fans wanted?
.....
........... we got Venom.

if Nolan doesn't see a Robin, or any other notable Batman characters in his films, than by all means, lets not have them.

In all honesty if Nolan doesn't feel right with any of the rouges, I would not be opposed to an original villain made for a film. If BATS made Harely Quinn, who has been put into the comic cannon, why can't a live action film with a hell of a talented storyteller no less?

 

[returntovoid]

remember what happened the last time a director gave in to what fans wanted?
.....
........... we got Venom.

if Nolan doesn't see a Robin, or any other notable Batman characters in his films, than by all means, lets not have them.

In all honesty if Nolan doesn't feel right with any of the rouges, I would not be opposed to an original villain made for a film. If BATS made Harely Quinn, who has been put into the comic cannon, why can't a live action film with a hell of a talented storyteller no less?

I think Nolan should use Hush or Black Mask instead of creating a villain IMO.

 

[NoirMan82]

One thing that makes me wary about Robin being adapted is the suggestions for adapting him that I heard from people around the net. If the "fans" have such a lack of understanding and motivation for the character, I doubt Nolan would. I'd rather see the character not done at all rather than done incorrectly....again.

 

[bojanthewiister]

remember what happened the last time a director gave in to what fans wanted?
.....
........... we got Venom.

if Nolan doesn't see a Robin, or any other notable Batman characters in his films, than by all means, lets not have them.

In all honesty if Nolan doesn't feel right with any of the rouges, I would not be opposed to an original villain made for a film. If BATS made Harely Quinn, who has been put into the comic cannon, why can't a live action film with a hell of a talented storyteller no less?

very good point, we don't need another venom, *shudder*

it would be awesome if nolan decided to make an original villain , but it does bring up one question...are we ready for it? Power like that in the hands of nolan would mean a rated R movie the likes of which the world has never seen. we would never sleep again, batman vs. the psychotic murderer who kills his victims by slowly giving them paper cuts all over their bodies and subsecuently covering them with salt and lemon juice, or batman vs. satan himself.

there are a lot of stories and archs to choose from and in the end if Chris doesn't want to include robin, it's his right and you know what im happy. the darkest robin could possibly be is a boy scout with a grass stain. now nightwing, that would be awesome.

hmmm what about a batman beyond movie? maybe that should be the third movie...Terry McGinnis, the year 2050 and human animal hybrids? awesome movie. and you know what, christian bale could play terry and bruce, and static shock lol

 

[GL1]

the darkest robin could possibly be is a boy scout with a grass stain. now nightwing, that would be awesome.

hmmm what about a batman beyond movie?

remember what happened the last time a director gave in to what fans wanted?
.....
........... we got Venom.

Last time a director gave in to what fans wanted we got The Incredible Hulk with Ed Norton, the time before that we got "Iron Man" with Robert Downey Jr. Giving fans what they want is, generally, a good idea if the story doesn't suffer.

if Nolan doesn't see a Robin, or any other notable Batman characters in his films, than by all means, lets not have them.

In all honesty if Nolan doesn't feel right with any of the rouges, I would not be opposed to an original villain made for a film. If BATS made Harely Quinn, who has been put into the comic cannon, why can't a live action film with a hell of a talented storyteller no less?

BTAS also serviced all of the classic and many not-so-classic Batman villains. If Nolan did that, then I'd have zero problem with him overlooking the number one rogues gallery in comics to create his own villain(ess). If Nolan does pass over awesome villains for whatever reason, it had better be the Darth Vader of the new Millineum. Seriously. Batman's Rogue's gallery rocks, anyone who can't tell whatever story they want to with it has weak kung fu.

 

[DaveBham1982]

Robin shouldnt be brought in for the next film at all. Robin was brought into the comic books originally to lighten the books up and to provide a childs point of view, the idea is they know they cant be Batman so they fantasize they can be Robin and go on adventures with Batman.

Todays audience is totally different to back in the forties and I honestly believe that if it wasnt for fan loyalty they'd scrap the robin character. Robin works if you want a kiddy film which isnt what they want with Nolan and Bale.

The only way I could see Dick Grayson working in a Nolan Batman film is if his family get murdered and Bruce takes him in and decides to teach him martial arts etc so he can handle himself. Then instead of becoming Robin the Boy Wonder in a bright coloured and stupid looking suit, he reluctantly agrees to help Bruce from the Batcave. For instance helping him with the computer type stuff and maybe even helping him come up with a motor cycle that Batman can regularly use, as it looks like the bat-pod is hidden in the tumbler. Then when they do a sequel etc it can be revealed that Dick has designed his own suit etc and ends up wearing it when Batman needs help.

But if I am honestly Robin is just there for Batman to talk to when he is out and about. Even in the animated series they decided to make him around 18 and at college alot so they dont have to use him unless they want to.

 

[terry78]

I think people need to wait and see the flick before they decide if Robin fits or not. The final scene may insist that he could use someone like Dick on his end.

 

[souvlaki]

Honestly, after seeing TDK I have to say Robin would probably be better off left out of the series. Not really a spoiler, but on the off chance people are squemish over someone even hinting how TDK ends:

Spoiler

It's not that I think Nolan couldn't do a good job with him it's just that with the likely direction they may go after TDK, I don't really think a young boy being put out in harms way is probably the smartest approach to resolve the problems Batman faces leading into the next film.

 

[CHEZ]

Batman is far more interesting by himself. Robin is a corny character.
Just the sound of it is plain awful, Batman and Robin

If you really really really think about it...it's so stupid it's ridiculous.

"Robin"? Come on. Corny cheesy little dandy running around with Batman in what looks like the stupidest superhero costume ever designed.

Batman is far more psychologically interesting by himself.
He scarier and it makes sense. He is trying to strike fear in the criminal underworld. He would be defeating the purpose with a corny little dandy by his side.

And then there's the whole Dick Grayson hanging around Bruce Wayne all the time. It's stupid, really really really stupid.

Robin was only thrown in to soften the Batman character, but today we don't need that. Today, we are interested in the dark brooding character that Batman was always meant to be.

Keep Robin out. Please.

I commend Nolan and Bale on their desire to keep that character out. It shows that they really care about the character and drama that is Batman.

 

[zenith16]

This will probably bethe last time I'll show this

you other bat man fans should introduce to Nolan, bale, and Gary Oldman this.

here's the link.
Frank Miller on writing the 7th Issue of All Star Batman & Robin

New Comic Book Day on HypaSpace
http://www.spacecast.com/wvx/2007/10/hs_a071004.wvx

and if that doesn't work this is from the site
http://www.spacecast.com/videoplayer_4663.aspx


and
Jim Lee on illustrating Frank Miller's All Star Batman & Robin
New comic book day on HypaSpace
http://www.spacecast.com/wvx/2007/05/hs_a070524.wvx



and if that doesn't work this is from the site
http://www.spacecast.com/videoplayer_3982.aspx



source hyper space weekly.
http://www.spacecast.com/hypaspace.aspx


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watch the video. Since it's from Frank miller those three have to consider it, especially since they said they took a lot of his reference material. and it's more resent then dark victory(which it's Obvious he Bale didn't read) so it should be easier for Bale of all people to find.

It's on hyperspace and bale and Nolan know who they are too. So I'm sure they can supply them with it. It's up to you guys that want robin in or more likely to have a fast track to being night wing with a dark story as possible as shown in the video links of the comics, I just put up by frank miller and Jim lee. I'm out. later.

 

[LightningFlash]

I thought Robin would be cool to be in the third movie, but if they only plan to make a Batman trilogy, then why would/should they bother to bring in Robin? The third movie, and possibly the final for Nolan/Bale/etc., should be about redemption, and even though bringing in Dick Grayson could be a way emotionally, it would be dumb to start up Robin's story(the only way Robin worked for Batman Forever is that they had Batman & Robin following, in which they ruined the character of Batgirl).