Christopher Nolan's Inception

[rashad]

Inception breaks $100M in just 7 days. $8.56M THU, $100.155M total according to WB estimates.
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Fantastic!!

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[redfirebird2008]

Saito was in Marsalis Wallace's suitcase.

Perfect answer.

 

[DIRECTOR]

It doesn't really matter.

it does matter, [blackout]Limbo isn't just one place. Limbo is when you are lost in your own dreams right? So, if Leo is lost in his own Limbo............................... i don't know, somebody help me out [/blackout]

 

[-Arya-]

it does matter, [blackout]Limbo isn't just one place. Limbo is when you are lost in your own dreams right? So, if Leo is lost in his own Limbo............................... i don't know, somebody help me out [/blackout]

Spoiler

Limbo has been thought of as a universal place. There is only one limbo. Again, this is just a guess on my part seeing as limbo wasn't explained in detail.

 

[scifiwolf]

it does matter, [blackout]Limbo isn't just one place. Limbo is when you are lost in your own dreams right? So, if Leo is lost in his own Limbo............................... i don't know, somebody help me out [/blackout]

Lol, I didn't quite understand what you were asking.

Spoiler

Limbo is shared consciousness, populated by whatever's been left there from who's been there before. Prior to the events of the movie, Dom and his wife were the only ones known to have been to limbo, much less returned. It was populated by the things they left behind. That's why it's easy to confuse it as only Dom's dream. The understanding is that while everyone has individual dreams, everybody ends up in the same limbo.

Hope that helps.

 

[Cinemaman]

Ok, but how will you explain...

Spoiler

... the fact that Cobb n Ariadne didn't kill themselves to get into limbo. Instead, they used the device, n Cobb makes it clear enough that they only way to limbo is through death

 

[Figs]

Where was this ever reported? I only saw it briefly on IMDB.


Haha, I actually still picture him as that kid because I watched that show all the time. Very pleasantly surprised that he's come into his own over the years. And he did well for his role in Inception, but I felt Franco would have suited it better simply because he looks more mature. JGL stood out to me as looking so young.

Have to disagree. With the slicked back hair and suit, I felt JGL looked old enough. Franco also looks fairly young still and to be honest, thinking of Franco in the role he would have been basically playing that character he normally plays. Really the only role he has done that seemed different then his normal schtick was playing the silly stoner in Pineapple Express. For the most part I like Franco but I haven't seen enough versatality to prove himself above the level of just being an "ok actor"

With that being said, i'm not saying JGL is a phenomenal actor or better than Franco. I'm simply saying that I think Franco would have made the role a bit boring if that makes any sense.

 

[-Arya-]

Ok, but how will you explain...

Spoiler

... the fact that Cobb n Ariadne didn't kill themselves to get into limbo. Instead, they used the device, n Cobb makes it clear enough that they only way to limbo is through death

Spoiler

Clearly, this wasn't the case. Cobb and Mal got into limbo simply by pushing themselves to go further into the dream state. They eventually became lost in limbo. This is why the city that they built was the only thing in limbo. Prior to the events of the film, they were the only ones who reached limbo and got out.

 

[Cinemaman]

Spoiler

Clearly, this wasn't the case. Cobb and Mal got into limbo simply by pushing themselves to go further into the dream state. They eventually became lost in limbo. This is why the city that they built was the only thing in limbo. Prior to the events of the film, they were the only ones who reached limbo and got out.

Uuumm, u didnt get my question. I was asking...

Spoiler

... How Cobb n Ariadne could get into limbo, if they didnt kill themselves? U remember the level #3 after Fisher gets shot? To get him back Cobb n Ariadne use the device to get to limbo. However, the only way to get there is to kill urself. This makes it possible that they got into the 4th level, Cobb's dream, instead of limbo. I suspect Cobb intentionally did that to fool Ariadne n make her return, while he will stay to find Saito, who he assumed to be already dead during that time. In the end, the beach scene w/ old Saito is the actual limbo, whereas the scene w/ Cobb, Ariadne n Mall (b4 Ariadne throws herself out of the window) is Cobb's level.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Uuumm, u didnt get my question. I was asking...

Spoiler

... How Cobb n Ariadne could get into limbo, if they didnt kill themselves? U remember the level #3 after Fisher gets shot? To get him back Cobb n Ariadne use the device to get to limbo. However, the only way to get there is to kill urself. This makes it possible that they got into the 4th level, Cobb's dream, instead of limbo. I suspect Cobb intentionally did that to fool Ariadne n make her return, while he will stay to find Saito, who he assumed to be already dead during that time. In the end, the beach scene w/ old Saito is the actual limbo, whereas the scene w/ Cobb, Ariadne n Mall (b4 Ariadne throws herself out of the window) is Cobb's level.

Spoiler

Killing yourself gets you OUT of limbo, not into it. They got to limbo by going into another dream state after the 3rd level. When Cob dies in the 3rd, 2nd, and 1st level, he's left in limbo, which means it's no longer his dream, but Saito's.

 

[That-Guy]

Perfect answer.

 

[Cinemaman]

Spoiler

Killing yourself gets you OUT of limbo, not into it. They got to limbo by going into another dream state after the 3rd level. When Cob dies in the 3rd, 2nd, and 1st level, he's left in limbo, which means it's no longer his dream, but Saito's.

Not really what you are saying.

Spoiler

Cobb clearly stated in the 1st level that once u die, u get into limbo. And Cobb doesn't die in any of these three levels from what I remember. And limbo isn't someone's dream, but an entire space, where everyone can get into. It's kind of Phantom zone.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Spoiler

Killing yourself gets you OUT of limbo, not into it. They got to limbo by going into another dream state after the 3rd level. When Cob dies in the 3rd, 2nd, and 1st level, he's left in limbo, which means it's no longer his dream, but Saito's.

That's not true...

Spoiler

Cobb has a conversation with Fischer where Fischer puts a gun to his head and Cobb reminds him that under heavy sedatives he will end up in limbo if he shoots himself to try to kick himself out of the dream. Saito also dies in one dream and ends up in limbo due to the heavy sedatives.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Not really what you are saying.

Spoiler

Cobb clearly stated in the 1st level that once u die, u get into limbo. And Cobb doesn't die in any of these three levels from what I remember. And limbo isn't someone's dream, but an entire space, where everyone can get into. It's kind of Phantom zone.

Spoiler

Yes, once you DIE, you go into limbo. Cobb died from the kicks from 1st to 3rd levels. That doesn't mean you can't reach limbo the deeper you go into the dreams. Remember, the fourth level was Cobb's limbo for a time, until they killed themselves on the train tracks. Ariadne got out of Cobb's 4th level limbo by leaping off the building. She killed herself. Saito and Cobb got out of their limbo by killing themselves with the gun.

 

[Cinemaman]

That's not true...

Spoiler

Cobb has a conversation with Fischer where Fischer puts a gun to his head and Cobb reminds him that under heavy sedatives he will end up in limbo if he shoots himself to try to kick himself out of the dream. Saito also dies in one dream and ends up in limbo due to the heavy sedatives.

Exactly,

Spoiler

You have to die to get into limbo, when you are having a complex structure of several layers of dreams. However, my question is, how the hell could Cobb get into limbo to find Fisher, if neither he killed himself in the 3rd level, not Ariadne did that. They simply used the device, creating a new level, Cobb's level. What is shown after the climax scene between Cobb and Mal is the actual limbo (the beach w/ Saito's mansion). The only reason how Cobb could reach the place was dying in water on his way to find Saito.

 

[Cinemaman]

Spoiler

Yes, once you DIE, you go into limbo. Cobb died from the kicks from 1st to 3rd levels. That doesn't mean you can't reach limbo the deeper you go into the dreams. Remember, the fourth level was Cobb's limbo for a time, until they killed themselves on the train tracks.

U r making it confusing, as

Spoiler

Cobb never died in any of dreams. At least that wasn't shown. And there is no Cobb's limbo or Saito's limbo, limbo is limbo itself. And the moment w/ suicide and train tracks is actually from Cobb's own memories, when he was explaining how got out of limbo. This has nothing to do w/ my question.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Exactly,

Spoiler

You have to die to get into limbo, when you are having a complex structure of several layers of dreams. However, my question is, how the hell could Cobb get into limbo to find Fisher, if neither he killed himself in the 3rd level, not Ariadne did that. They simply used the device, creating a new level, Cobb's level. What is shown after the climax scene between Cobb and Mal is the actual limbo (the beach w/ Saito's mansion). The only reason how Cobb could reach the place was dying in water on his way to find Saito.

Spoiler

I just explained it above. Two ways of reaching limbo: 1. going further into the dreams or 2. dying with heavy sedatives. Remember, Cobb didn't reach limbo with his wife with heavy sedatives. He and Mal got their on their own by dreams within dreams.

 

[Cinemaman]

I just explained it above. Two ways of reaching limbo: 1. going further into the dreams or 2. dying with heavy sedatives. Remember, Cobb didn't reach limbo with his wife with heavy sedatives. He and Mal got their on their own by dreams within dreams.

I remember nothing about that.

 

[Carnotaur3]

U r making it confusing, as

Spoiler

Cobb never died in any of dreams.

Spoiler

What?! lol Of course he did. The kicks were his deaths. He died in the explosion in the 3rd level, he died in the elevator in the second level, and he died of drowning in the first level. Arthur even says he's drowned to Ariadne.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I just explained it above. Two ways of reaching limbo: 1. going further into the dreams or 2. dying with heavy sedatives. Remember, Cobb didn't reach limbo with his wife with heavy sedatives. He and Mal got their on their own by dreams within dreams.

Good point. There's definitely two ways of getting there.

 

[Carnotaur3]

I remember nothing about that.

Strictly speaking, it isn't exactly limbo, but acted as one because Mal was beginning to loose herself within it, just like in limbo.

 

[Cinemaman]

Spoiler

What?! lol Of course he did. The kicks were his deaths. He died in the explosion in the 3rd level, he died in the elevator in the second level, and he died of drowning in the first level. Arthur even says he's drowned to Ariadne.

Spoiler

The rest of the team did that, but he was left w/ Saito until the moment when the old Saito stretched his hand for the gun

 

[Figs]

U r making it confusing, as

Spoiler

Cobb never died in any of dreams. At least that wasn't shown. And there is no Cobb's limbo or Saito's limbo, limbo is limbo itself. And the moment w/ suicide and train tracks is actually from Cobb's own memories, when he was explaining how got out of limbo. This has nothing to do w/ my question.

Spoiler

You only reach limbo via death if your body in the real world is under heavy sedation which wasn't used until they met Yusef. Cobb and Ariadne were in limbo because they went down to a 4th level of dreaming, the third is the last into someone's mind before you go so far(fourth)that it's dead space, ie; limbo. That's how Cobb and Mal got to limbo originally, they went past the 3rd level of the subconcious.

The way Cobb got replaced in limbo when he was already down there from going into the 4th level of subconcious with Ariadne, was that he died on the first level by drowning in the van. So it basically reset him in limbo, at first he was in the building with Mal telling her he would stay if she let Fischer go, next thing(after he drowns in the van)he awakens in limbo again but in the water.

 

[Cinemaman]

Strictly speaking, it isn't exactly limbo, but acted as one because Mal was beginning to loose herself within it, just like in limbo.

Thats what I was pointing at.

Spoiler

The place where Cobb n Ariadne go for Fisher is not limbo, but a dream level made out of Cobb's memories. The actual limbo was after Ariadne got kicked n Mal disappeared. It was the beach, not the collapsing city.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Spoiler

The rest of the team did that, but he was left w/ Saito until the moment when the old Saito stretched his hand for the gun

Spoiler

You're not understanding me. Eams rode and died in the kicks from 3rd to 2nd. Arthur died in 2nd. Ariadne died in the kicks from 4th to 2nd, as did Fischer. Fischer had died in 3rd, which put him in limbo. And Saito and Cobb died within all of the levels, which put them in a shared limbo. Arthur, Eams, Fischer, and Ariadne were all fine because they were still alive in the 1st level.