Cinematic Civil War:MCU vs DCCU

[drod1985]

Marvel really only seems to be sticklers for continuity within the MCU, and that's totally reasonable. As T"Challa mentioned, all the MCU movies have signature attributes thanks to their respective directors.

 

[John Locke]

I seem to remember a lot of talking here about DC giving their directors more freedom and allowing personal style and touch as compared to Marvel who apparently make "homogenized" movies.

I wonder what those people have to say now, after MacLaren left over "creative differences".

Yep. For a long time after the Edgar Wright thing, the narrative was Marvel wouldnt give their directors and "artistic license" despite Joss Whedon, James Gunn, Shane Black, Ken Branagh and Even Joe Johnston having their imprints all over their respective MCU movies.

DC was supposed to be the 'director-friendly' studio and now this happens. Funny how stuff works out.

If the rumors are true MacLaren wanted to do more than give the movie her personal touch; she wanted to change the character and make an entirely different movie than what DC wanted to make i.e. set in a different time period and adding a talking tiger sidekick.

 

[hafizbat]

That's totally fine. It's a business and these things happen, it happened to Marvel too with Wright. But yeah, the people who claimed that WB/DC was for some vague reason more director-friendly and gave their directors creative freedom while Marvel didn't sure look silly now.

 

[Flint Marko]

Marvel really only seems to be sticklers for continuity within the MCU, and that's totally reasonable. As T"Challa mentioned, all the MCU movies have signature attributes thanks to their respective directors.

Agreed. Deluded Marvel detractors like to hoist up other studios as bastions of creative freedom, and in some cases that may have some merit, but the shared universe fad has a cost that comes with it and it means not giving certain film makers free rein to do whatever they want with their movie. Fox is trying to have their cake and eat it too, but now that WB/DC is in the shared universe game it's going to happen with them as well. Any DC fan who thought otherwise should take this away from the whole wonder woman situation.

 

[John Locke]

Yeah that's true. They're no different from Marvel in that regard. Although I don't know what reason they had for that belief.

 

[Flint Marko]

If the rumors are true MacLaren wanted to do more than give the movie her personal touch; she wanted to change the character and make an entirely different movie than what DC wanted to make i.e. set in a different time period and adding a talking tiger sidekick.

I have a hard time believing she would want to give WW a talking tiger sidekick... that is just so insanely out of left field.

Yeah that's true. They're no different from Marvel in that regard. Although I don't know what reason they had for that belief.

Not sure either.

 

[hafizbat]

Yeah that's true. They're no different from Marvel in that regard. Although I don't know what reason they had for that belief.

No idea, but a favorite line of thinking among Marvel detractors (jealous DC fanboys?) is that Marvel has some formula that is proven to get good ratings and please fans (as if that's a bad thing) and all their products are just the same thing with different paint jobs. I've seen the words "homogenized" and "assembly line movies" used.

 

[Spiderine]

I have a hard time believing she would want to give WW a talking tiger sidekick... that is just so insanely out of left field.

Not sure either.

Is this for real? A talking tiger? They should be careful about what vision these directors have before settling on somebody. Thats insane.

 

[Flint Marko]

No idea, but a favorite line of thinking among Marvel detractors (jealous DC fanboys?) is that Marvel has some formula that is proven to get good ratings and please fans (as if that's a bad thing) and all their products are just the same thing with different paint jobs. I've seen the words "homogenized" and "assembly line movies" used.

Oh those words are thrown around quite a bit. But if Marvel's movies were as cookie cutter/generic/formulaic as the detractors continually claim, I wonder why no studio has been able to copy that success so far? They make it sound so easy but clearly that isn't the case.

Is this for real? A talking tiger? They should be careful about what vision these directors have before settling on somebody. Thats insane.

See I don't at all believe that, I highly doubt someone who had a great run on a critical and commercial juggernaut like Breaking Bad would walk into the WB offices and be like, "Alright, hear me out... talking tiger sidekick".

 

[hafizbat]

Maybe Jasmine was her favorite Disney princess.

 

[T"Challa]

Oh those words are thrown around quite a bit. But if Marvel's movies were as cookie cutter/generic/formulaic as the detractors continually claim, I wonder why no studio has been able to copy that success so far? They make it sound so easy but clearly that isn't the case.
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I can't for the life of me, understand that complaint. Marvel films are not beyond criticism, lord knows i have my issues with some of them but i never got the "these movies are all the same" mantra. I dont get how someone can see Cap 1 and say its the same as Thor 2, or see Incredible hulk and say its the same as GOTG, or how the hell Avengers is the same as Winter Soldier. These movies are starkly different in tone and characters IMO

 

[Flint Marko]

I can't for the life of me, understand that complaint. Marvel films are not beyond criticism, lord knows i have my issues with some of them but i never got the "these movies are all the same" mantra. I dont get how someone can see Cap 1 and say its the same as Thor 2, or see Incredible hulk and say its the same as GOTG, or how the hell Avengers is the same as Winter Soldier. These movies are starkly different in tone and characters IMO

Agreed.

 

[DA_Champion]

No idea, but a favorite line of thinking among Marvel detractors (jealous DC fanboys?) is that Marvel has some formula that is proven to get good ratings and please fans (as if that's a bad thing) and all their products are just the same thing with different paint jobs. I've seen the words "homogenized" and "assembly line movies" used.

Ideas and implementation are different things.

Think of a sports team where the coach has an effective strategy. With different players, his strategy won't work. Other coaches don't copy him. The end.

 

[DA_Champion]

I can't for the life of me, understand that complaint. Marvel films are not beyond criticism, lord knows i have my issues with some of them but i never got the "these movies are all the same" mantra. I dont get how someone can see Cap 1 and say its the same as Thor 2, or see Incredible hulk and say its the same as GOTG, or how the hell Avengers is the same as Winter Soldier. These movies are starkly different in tone and characters IMO

The greater the range of movies you watch, the more similar the marvel movies will appear.

 

[hafizbat]

The greater the range of movies you watch, the more similar the marvel movies will appear.

Hm, let's see. All Marvel movies will be

1) CBMs based on superheroes
2) PG-13 Action movies that generally have some comedy
3) Summer blockbusters

Apart from that, each has their own focus and emphasis. It's like people expect MCU movies to range from Toy Story to Silence of the Lambs.

 

[hafizbat]

Ideas and implementation are different things.

Think of a sports team where the coach has an effective strategy. With different players, his strategy won't work. Other coaches don't copy him. The end.

I don't see how your analogy is relevant to what I'm saying.

 

[C. Lee]

Just a reminder to everyone.....discuss this without calling either side names. WE are ALL comic book film fans here.

 

[I Am The Knight]

We are all Rocky Raccoon!!

 

[Guts]

If the rumors are true MacLaren wanted to do more than give the movie her personal touch; she wanted to change the character and make an entirely different movie than what DC wanted to make i.e. set in a different time period and adding a talking tiger sidekick.

I guess she should have directed the Shazam movie instead.

 

[ernesth100]

Talking tiger, not sure if that's hilarious or ridiculous.

 

[Visualiza]

Talking tiger, not sure if that's hilarious or ridiculous.

Both. I don't believe that though. Creative difference, sure, but that sounds a bit too far-fetched to me. Nothing MacLaren has done suggests to me that she would push for something like this.

 

[John Locke]

I guess she should have directed the Shazam movie instead.

Exactly, if WW has a talking tiger sidekick then Shazam can't have his. Why doesn't she take Supegirl's talking horse with an unrequited crush while she's at it.

 

[CaptainWagner]

The greater the range of movies you watch, the more similar the marvel movies will appear.

I've seen plenty of movies from all across the spectrum and I still can't understand the "all Marvel movies are the same" malarkey. Sure they have similarities, but those similarities go along with all blockbusters not just MCU superhero movies.



Oh, and I fully expect Talky Tawny to be in the Shazam movie.

 

[Spiderine]

Was Talky Tawny supposed to be a pimp?

Im starting to wonder if they really know how to approach Wonder woman. Didn't Joss Whedon have creative differences with the studio over the character?

 

[Marvin]

That's marketing for you, and it happens with a lot of these blockbuster movies. They have to sell this thing. It has to look appealing to people who have no clue what an "Ant-Man" is. We'll see come July what the film is really like, of course, but I would hope that the wacky IM3 experience has taught Marvel a valuable lesson in setting up audience expectations.

Also, good points, Flint.

I agree, he did make good points. I'm just highlighting what I see them doing. Watching the two trailers side by side, I for one see it pretty clearly. Their marketing team doing what it does, though this time unlike in 2013 they may have a happy medium due to the circumstance of this material.