Cinematic Civil War:MCU vs DCCU

[KBX]

Marvel's ability to make even what seems like the stupidest of characters amazing never ceases to suprise me. Even with Ant-Man, I think that Thomas Scene is what really sold the movie though.

You see in the argument of the topic of this thread, this is why MCU has the upper hand. It is ridiculously successful without Spiderman, the Xmen, Fantastic Four - Marvels top names at that time, before the ball got rolling. We are getting *****ing Antman people.... ANT-MAN.... Wrap your head around it....

I want my Blue Beatle, Martian Manhunter movie. Is that too much to ask?

 

[Infinight888]

You see in the argument of the topic of this thread, this is why MCU has the upper hand. It is ridiculously successful without Spiderman, the Xmen, Fantastic Four - Marvels top names at that time, before the ball got rolling. We are getting *****ing Antman people.... ANT-MAN.... Wrap your head around it....

I want my Blue Beatle, Martian Manhunter movie. Is that too much to ask?

This, however, gives WB a huge advantage in catching up. They're not really building up these characters from scratch like Marvel had to with their's. WB just gets to take already iconic superheroes and say "Here's a movie about them", "Here's a movie about them fighting each other", "Here's a movie about them working together on a team", "Here's a spinoff with that less popular hero from the team-up movie" and "here's another solo movie of the popular characters".

Marvel had to start with nothing and make their characters iconic. WB gets to use DC's already iconic characters and use their popularity to boost the others. Even characters like Wonder Woman who are already iconic, WB feels the need to give a Batman and Superman boost.

 

[KBX]

This, however, gives WB a huge advantage in catching up. They're not really building up these characters from scratch like Marvel had to with their's. WB just gets to take already iconic superheroes and say "Here's a movie about them", "Here's a movie about them fighting each other", "Here's a movie about them working together on a team", "Here's a spinoff with that less popular hero from the team-up movie" and "here's another solo movie of the popular characters".

Marvel had to start with nothing and make their characters iconic. WB gets to use DC's already iconic characters and use their popularity to boost the others. Even characters like Wonder Woman who are already iconic, WB feels the need to give a Batman and Superman boost.

If WB did exactly what you stated, that can hopefully make a good JL, BvS movie, etc, that doesn't make the DCCU = MCU. They are piggy backing their characters on Batman/Superman saying "Hey we have other superheros in our universe as well" Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, Green Lantern aren't A list characters like Batman, Superman. If they were truly "iconic" we would have gotten successful movies from them by now with better treatment from WB. They need to build them up from scratch as well

Have a successful Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash, Shazam, SS, Cyborg movie than there is an argument.

 

[Keehar]

BvsS is such an obvious piggy back wannabe Avengers attempt.

 

[Mjölnir]

If WB did exactly what you stated, that can hopefully make a good JL, BvS movie, etc, that doesn't make the DCCU = MCU. They are piggy backing their characters on Batman/Superman saying "Hey we have other superheros in our universe as well" Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, Green Lantern aren't A list characters like Batman, Superman. If they were truly "iconic" we would have gotten successful movies from them by now with better treatment from WB. They need to build them up from scratch as well

Have a successful Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash, Shazam, SS, Cyborg movie than there is an argument.

It will be interesting to see how DC does with those movies. While WW is certainly iconic in the US "no one" knows about her here. The same with the rest of the characters you mention.

It's probably an easier route to go when they try to introduce some of the characters together with the two big ones, as that will easily rub off, instead of like Marvel and give them solo movies first and build their up on their own. Even things like their names become small hurdles. Names like Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Captain America, etc sound pretty dumb, but if you make a good movie to establish the character the name will start to feel natural anyway. I wonder if DC will dare to keep all the names or if they'll only refer to them as "the King of Atlantis" and so on?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

BvsS is such an obvious piggy back wannabe Avengers attempt.

Overly aggessive teenagers on the Internet who can't shut about it all agree. The rest of us don't give an airborne copulation.

 

[Keehar]

Overly aggessive teenagers on the Internet who can't shut about it all agree. The rest of us don't give an airborne copulation.

 

[Flint Marko]

Overly aggessive teenagers on the Internet who can't shut about it all agree. The rest of us don't give an airborne copulation.

A post like this make me think you care a little more than you let on.

 

[Guts]

Was Talky Tawny supposed to be a pimp?

Im starting to wonder if they really know how to approach Wonder woman. Didn't Joss Whedon have creative differences with the studio over the character?

Talky Tawny is the pimped out version of Tony the tiger.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

A post like this make me think you care a little more than you let on.

I care a hell of a lot less than those that come on every day to debate about it, that's for damn sure. I'm not even sure what's the point of the debates had in this thread are or why they matter.

 

[Victarion]

I'm a sellsword through and through.

 

[C. Lee]

A post like this make me think you care a little more than you let on.

Or it was made by someone getting real tired of the childish antics by some on the internet....the whole my toys are better than your toys act should be left in the first grade.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

And... Again, aggro teenage nerds care about who was first or other unimportant crap. Honestly ask yourself why it matters? In comics the simple facts are there wouldn't be a Marvel universe if there wasn't a DC one first... But who cares? Really... Who cares? Both companies have great, legendary characters that now MILLIONS of people enjoy, and the majority really don't care that DC characters came first. This is "debate" is an argument for the sake of arguing. It's exhibit A in most people's case that this community is made up of pedants that feel the need to have rhetorical knife fights for no good God damned reason.

 

[The Shape]

And... Again, aggro teenage nerds care about who was first or other unimportant crap. Honestly ask yourself why it matters? In comics the simple facts are there wouldn't be a Marvel universe if there wasn't a DC one first... But who cares? Really... Who cares? Both companies have great, legendary characters that now MILLIONS of people enjoy, and the majority really don't care that DC characters came first. This is "debate" is an argument for the sake of arguing. It's exhibit A in most people's case that this community is made up of pedants that feel the need to have rhetorical knife fights for no good God damned reason.

Well said.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Well said.

Well... Not grammatically.

 

[HaplessHenchman]

And... Again, aggro teenage nerds care about who was first or other unimportant crap. Honestly ask yourself why it matters? In comics the simple facts are there wouldn't be a Marvel universe if there wasn't a DC one first... But who cares? Really... Who cares? Both companies have great, legendary characters that now MILLIONS of people enjoy, and the majority really don't care that DC characters came first. This is "debate" is an argument for the sake of arguing. It's exhibit A in most people's case that this community is made up of pedants that feel the need to have rhetorical knife fights for no good God damned reason.

 

[ernesth100]

In all fairness I just wanted to make a place where we could have civilized debates and comparisons/contrasts on the state of both Cinematic Universe's.

 

[The Batman]

In all fairness I just wanted to make a place where we could have civilized debates and comparisons/contrasts on the state of both Cinematic Universe's.

And that's what this thread was, before it was derailed by various posters of various biases. But that happens to every thread. I just hope this particular one doesn't get closed, because whether some like it or not, there are posters who want to compare the DCCU and MCU.

 

[DA_Champion]

In all fairness I just wanted to make a place where we could have civilized debates and comparisons/contrasts on the state of both Cinematic Universe's.

Yes please.

 

[Flint Marko]

In all fairness I just wanted to make a place where we could have civilized debates and comparisons/contrasts on the state of both Cinematic Universe's.

And that's what this thread was, before it was derailed by various posters of various biases. But that happens to every thread. I just hope this particular one doesn't get closed, because whether some like it or not, there are posters who want to compare the DCCU and MCU.

Agreed, nothing wrong with this.

 

[Victarion]

In all fairness I just wanted to make a place where we could have civilized debates and comparisons/contrasts on the state of both Cinematic Universe's.

Are we there yet?

The biggest ripples I've heard of in the DCCU corner is WW's director jumping ship over creative differences. It is possible that BvS comes off as a bad attempt at piggybacking the success of TA. On the other hand, it may have a "TDK Effect" where jumping feet-first into a cinematic universe is met with critical acclaim (I use "" for TDK Effect because I've not been able to see where it exactly influenced the CBM genre. But, it does get quite a bit of praise so there may be something there that I'm missing).

 

[CaptainWagner]

In all fairness I just wanted to make a place where we could have civilized debates and comparisons/contrasts on the state of both Cinematic Universe's.

THe big problem, though, is that we really haven't seen much of anything from DC's film universe. It's all just assumptions fueled by fanboy bias. In two or three years, hopefully a thread like this can truely be effective. Unfortuantly, I don't think we'll be able to escape this bickering until then.

 

[KBX]

I do wonder in BvS is there going to be a clear cut winner? I mean aren't they basing the movie on the time Batman beat Superman? Hopefully that's not the case.

I mean if they are going the "realistic" route Superman shouldn't have a problem tossing batman to the moon

 

[Victarion]

The actual fight isn't what I'm interested in. It seems like a weak premise, honestly. It's the clash of ethics and methods that I'm excited about.

We could debate the non MCU/DCCU movies that come from both comic properties ie Raimi's Spidey trilogy, the old Batman movies etc.

 

[John Locke]

I do wonder in BvS is there going to be a clear cut winner? I mean aren't they basing the movie on the time Batman beat Superman? Hopefully that's not the case.

I mean if they are going the "realistic" route Superman shouldn't have a problem tossing batman to the moon

They're basing it as much as Iron Man 3 was based on Extremis or as much as X-Men 3 was based on the Dark Phoenix saga or as much as TDKRises was based on Knightfall.