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[Horrorfan]

Now that, my freind, is one very well written arguement. And as a whole I agree. I'm personally not in favor of capital punishment. Merely because the thought of individual people deciding who lives and who dies like that makes me uneasy. But still, very well put.

But if a guy chooses to rape, and kill- he puts himself up for that punishment, does he not? No one is forced to rape and murder ya know. You might as well say who is anyone to decide that he should go to jail.

 

[The Leaguer]

No one is forced to rape and murder ya know.

You are if God tells you to.

 

[Horrorfan]

You are if God tells you to.

I thought God believes in free will :P

 

[The Question]

But if a guy chooses to rape, and kill- he puts himself up for that punishment, does he not? No one is forced to rape and murder ya know. You might as well say who is anyone to decide that he should go to jail.

No. I don't think you can compare exicution to jailing someone like that. As I said, I don't think humans should get to decide who lives and who dies like that. We're simply too flawed as a speicese to make such a descision. Creatures who can be biased and can make mistakes should not take a responsibility that dire upon themselves.

 

[Horrorfan]

No. I don't think you can compare exicution to jailing someone like that. As I said, I don't think humans should get to decide who lives and who dies like that. We're simply too flawed as a speicese to make such a descision. Creatures who can be biased and can make mistakes should not take a responsibility that dire upon themselves.

I have never raped someone or killed someone, so I feel fully justified in making that decision. Raping or killing isn't a ''mistake''. You make it sound like anyone could do it by accident.

 

[The Question]

I have never raped someone or killed someone, so I feel fully justified in making that decision. Raping or killing isn't a ''mistake''. You make it sound like anyone could do it by accident.

I have no idea where you got that from.

 

[Horrorfan]

I have no idea where you got that from.

You said rape or murder was a ''mistake'' by implication. At least that's how I saw it. If I got it wrong I apologise.

 

[Horrorfan]

Besides, if that's the case, who gave the murder or rapist the right to decide who to kill or violate? They just have to accept the consequences of their actions.

 

[The Question]

You said rape or murder was a ''mistake'' by implication. At least that's how I saw it. If I got it wrong I apologise.

I didn't say that at all. I said that since humans are capable of making mistakes and having bias, then the responsibility of deciding who lives and who dies should not fall upon a human because our ability to make descisions is too flawed to acomidate something as important as that.

 

[Horrorfan]

I didn't say that at all. I said that since humans are capable of making mistakes and having bias, then the responsibility of deciding who lives and who dies should not fall upon a human because our ability to make descisions is too flawed to acomidate something as important as that.

I see your point, but come on man, raping and murdering.....it should be pretty much common sense that no normal person goes around doing that stuff.

 

[Eros]

I didn't say that at all. I said that since humans are capable of making mistakes and having bias, then the responsibility of deciding who lives and who dies should not fall upon a human because our ability to make descisions is too flawed to acomidate something as important as that.

If not humans beings dude then who?

 

[The Leaguer]

I thought God believes in free will :P

As long as you willing engage in rape and murder.

 

[The Question]

I see your point, but come on man, raping and murdering.....it should be pretty much common sense that no normal person goes around doing that stuff.

I know. I never said anything to the contrairy.

If not humans beings dude then who?

God, I suppose. My point is that I don't think any person should have the right to decide that.

 

[Eros]

I know. I never said anything to the contrairy.



God, I suppose. My point is that I don't think any person should have the right to decide that.

well God is dead, and thus humans have to decide things like that. should we humans not be able to decide who goes to jail to, useing your logic we shouldn't.

 

[The Question]

well God is dead, and thus humans have to decide things like that. should we humans not be able to decide who goes to jail to, useing your logic we shouldn't.

That's not my logic at all, though. And wether or not you believe in God, or think God is dead, or whatever, my point is that I don't think humans should make that descision at all. If there is no God, then no one should be making descisions like that.

 

[Eros]

That's not my logic at all, though. And wether or not you believe in God, or think God is dead, or whatever, my point is that I don't think humans should make that descision at all. If there is no God, then no one should be making descisions like that.

well I respect your opinion, but I disagree greatly.

 

[The Question]

well I respect your opinion, but I disagree greatly.

Okay. Cool.

 

[Vanguard07]

It seems pretty simple to me really. If it's been proven that the guy is guilty of a capital crime, go right ahead with the capital punishment.

I agree when it comes to executing people we should avoid jumping to conclusions and if there's a reasonable doubt of guilt then other forms of punishment should be explored but it doesnt make any sense at all to me to let killers and rapists live.

I dont buy into the idea that we dont have the right to decide who lives and who dies. If god exists and he didnt want us to make such a decision he'd stop us. If he truly believes in free will and thus wouldnt stop us even if it's wrong then we should trust in his judgment and make use of that free will. If there's some big horrible consequences for it later on the afterlife then so be it. I dont think we should let fear of what might happen tomorrow stop us from doing what's right today.

All that is required for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing. Choosing not to destroy evil IS evil.

 

[Horrorfan]

It seems pretty simple to me really. If it's been proven that the guy is guilty of a capital crime, go right ahead with the capital punishment.

I agree when it comes to executing people we should avoid jumping to conclusions and if there's a reasonable doubt of guilt then other forms of punishment should be explored but it doesnt make any sense at all to me to let killers and rapists live.

I dont buy into the idea that we dont have the right to decide who lives and who dies. If god exists and he didnt want us to make such a decision he'd stop us. If he truly believes in free will and thus wouldnt stop us even if it's wrong then we should trust in his judgment and make use of that free will. If there's some big horrible consequences for it later on the afterlife then so be it. I dont think we should let fear of what might happen tomorrow stop us from doing what's right today.

All that is required for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing. Choosing not to destroy evil IS evil.

You pretty much put what I think better than I did :P

 

[The Question]

It seems pretty simple to me really. If it's been proven that the guy is guilty of a capital crime, go right ahead with the capital punishment.

I agree when it comes to executing people we should avoid jumping to conclusions and if there's a reasonable doubt of guilt then other forms of punishment should be explored but it doesnt make any sense at all to me to let killers and rapists live.

I dont buy into the idea that we dont have the right to decide who lives and who dies. If god exists and he didnt want us to make such a decision he'd stop us. If he truly believes in free will and thus wouldnt stop us even if it's wrong then we should trust in his judgment and make use of that free will. If there's some big horrible consequences for it later on the afterlife then so be it. I dont think we should let fear of what might happen tomorrow stop us from doing what's right today.

All that is required for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing. Choosing not to destroy evil IS evil.

Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.

And you can't destroy evil. You can kill people, but that's not destroying evil. That's killing people who do evil things. It's impossible to destroy evil.

Also, not exicuting people isn't doing nothing. If you're jailing criminals and keeping society as a whole safe from them, then that is doing something. And I don't think it's evil to say that you don't think killing people is right. One could argue that it's misguided, but it's not evil. Honestly, I don't see a point in exicution if you could just jail the person instead. I don't see what exicution acomplishes.

 

[Vanguard07]

it accomplishes the same thing as jailing for the most part but without the massive waste of resources

 

[The Leaguer]

Doesn't execution actually cost more?

 

[The Question]

it accomplishes the same thing as jailing for the most part but without the massive waste of resources

I don't think that makes up for what I see as people arrogantly playing God and making descisions that they have no right to be making. Besides, as I said, I believe in redemption. I think everyone should have the chance to grow and change as individuals and make up for whatever crimes they commited. Killing someone takes away everything they had the potential to become, both the good and the bad. And I don't think that's right.

 

[Horrorfan]

I don't think that makes up for what I see as people arrogantly playing God and making descisions that they have no right to be making. Besides, as I said, I believe in redemption. I think everyone should have the chance to grow and change as individuals and make up for whatever crimes they commited. Killing someone takes away everything they had the potential to become, both the good and the bad. And I don't think that's right.

But it's ok that they did it to the other person? Why should they get to live when they did the very thing you disagree with? How can you make up, EVER, taking a life or raping someone?

 

[Vanguard07]

I don't think that makes up for what I see as people arrogantly playing God and making descisions that they have no right to be making. Besides, as I said, I believe in redemption. I think everyone should have the chance to grow and change as individuals and make up for whatever crimes they commited. Killing someone takes away everything they had the potential to become, both the good and the bad. And I don't think that's right.

How do you make up for killing someone? You cant. Unless they can bring their victims back then anything they do to make up for their crimes is too little too late.

And also, execution is only more expensive than imprisonment when you go about it in a manner that's ******ed. It's easy to deal with that problem.