Clash of the Titans Remake

[Ace of Knaves]

Because for me Hulk didn't seem like Hulk.

You know in Ang Lee's Hulk when he is jumping through the air? The moment when Hulk is soaring through the air and he has that look of peace on his face?

Or when he lands at that little lake and sees his reflection in the water and looks at it in wonder like a little child.

Or the "Puny human" part showing the dual personalities between Banner and Hulk.

THAT is what Hulk should be like. And the action scenes were better. The part in the desert is still one of the best scenes in any comic book movie ever IMO.

TIH had "Hulk SMASH!" and "Leave me alone!" oh wow! That is what makes Hulk Hulk!

And Gen Ross was mischaracterized because he didn't give one toss about his daughter. There was no conflict in him between duty and his daughters love. He didn't care that his daughter loved Banner. He was just like "THAT MANS ENTIRE BODY IS PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY!"

The only time he seemed to care about his daughter is when the helicopter crashed.

In the comics he was an prick, for sure. But there was still some conflict in him about how to deal with Hulk.

 

[KenK]

I think he Meant Ang lees Hulk was a much deeper movie, its a hell thinker, and most people dont want to think that freaking hard when they go see a Hulk Movie. TIH was overall a much more enjoybale Movie, But Ang Lee Hulk is themitically superior in both characters and plot.

But . . . it really wasn't. Seriously though, there's a difference between what Lee set out to do, and what he actually accomplished. For me anyway, the problem with Hulk was that they over-thought a lot of themes and ideas from the comics that were never all that deep. To say nothing of the coincidences and the needless character connections. Especially what they did with his father. The whole backstory of him doing these experiments and passing on the mutations to Bruce just did nothing for me. And furthermore, it leads to this whole thing where Bruce gets adopted, and coincidentally goes into the same kind of scientific research as the father he NEVER KNEW?!? Then we have a flashback within a flashback of Betty remembering being on the military base the day of the bomb test the same day Bruce's father accidentally killed his mother? It had zero bearing on the plot of the film! Contrivances like this took me out of the film, and made it difficult to relate to the characters. Bana's acting didn't help. He was too monotone, and whatever chemistry he was supposed to have with Connolly just wasn't there.

At least in TIH, you get a real sense of grief, sadness and solitude with Banner, and Norton was far superior in selling that than Bana. I was more invested emotionally in what he was going through because of the Hulk.

 

[Eros]

But . . . it really wasn't. Seriously though, there's a difference between what Lee set out to do, and what he actually accomplished. For me anyway, the problem with Hulk was that they over-thought a lot of themes and ideas from the comics that were never all that deep. To say nothing of the coincidences and the needless character connections. Especially what they did with his father. The whole backstory of him doing these experiments and passing on the mutations to Bruce just did nothing for me. And furthermore, it leads to this whole thing where Bruce gets adopted, and coincidentally goes into the same kind of scientific research as the father he NEVER KNEW?!? Then we have a flashback within a flashback of Betty remembering being on the military base the day of the bomb test the same day Bruce's father accidentally killed his mother? It had zero bearing on the plot of the film! Contrivances like this took me out of the film, and made it difficult to relate to the characters. Bana's acting didn't help. He was too monotone, and whatever chemistry he was supposed to have with Connolly just wasn't there.

At least in TIH, you get a real sense of grief, sadness and solitude with Banner, and Norton was far superior in selling that than Bana. I was more invested emotionally in what he was going through because of the Hulk.

To each his own I suppose, Also I j found Ang Lee General Ross to be very ver scary,TIH Ross didnt seem as Intense, more mellow like an old tired soldier. I guess with Lee Hulk, I got the impression Ross Hatred of Hulk, was an extention of his hatred for the Banners.

 

[KenK]

You know in Ang Lee's Hulk when he is jumping through the air? The moment when Hulk is soaring through the air and he has that look of peace on his face?

Or when he lands at that little lake and sees his reflection in the water and looks at it in wonder like a little child.

Yeah, because that's an image of the Hulk that most fans relate to.

Or the "Puny human" part showing the dual personalities between Banner and Hulk.

Wow, can we say "hypocrisy"!?!? You take me to task for me bringing up the "Leave me alone" line, but "Puny Human" speaks volumes about the themes of dual personality?!? I call bulls***!

And Gen Ross was mischaracterized because he didn't give one toss about his daughter. There was no conflict in him between duty and his daughters love. He didn't care that his daughter loved Banner. He was just like "THAT MANS ENTIRE BODY IS PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY!"

The only time he seemed to care about his daughter is when the helicopter crashed.

In the comics he was an prick, for sure. But there was still some conflict in him about how to deal with Hulk.

That's not so much mischaracterization as it is you just not feeling that they presented him as being conflicted enough. They didn't add or drastically change anything about his character that wasn't already present.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yes they did... they took away the fact that Gen Ross does actually care about his daughters feelings.

 

[Crook]

So hey guys, that Clash of the Titans movie...

 

[Rock Sexton]

So hey guys, that Clash of the Titans movie...

Yes, seriously ....can we NOT talk about that absolute piece of trash Ang Lee made.

 

[craigdbfan]

So hey guys, that Clash of the Titans movie...

Hulk SMASH!!!

 

[Marz69]

not really there is another big mythology movie coming out Dawn of War by Tarsem

Here's hoping it has a positive impact on the genre.

So hey guys, that Clash of the Titans movie...

Never heard of it. What's it about? t:

Back to important matters... will there be another hulk movie?

 

[KenK]

I'll apologize for thread thread-jacking. I hate when it happens in threads I start.

 

[AEmovieguy]

I was able to catch an early screening of the 3D presentation of Clash of the Titans around 2 a.m. this morning...

Please, do not PAY to see the 3D version of this film. The only thing they were able to achieve was a hokey sense of depth with what looked like a cut and pasting of the characters on different planes, but, at the same time, the actual characters don't have any depth (pun intended?

) so they look sometimes like flat cut-outs. It also didn't appear they had enough time to even render the all CG elements in 3D to pop out at you -- pretty much every monster.

A few times, I took off the glasses for entire scenes and there was so little 3D as to think one was watching the 2D presentation, and the improved colors and brightness with the spectacles off added more depth and detail. Not even the closing titles really pop out that much. This is clearly a cash grab, last-minute conversion that, hopefully, is not indicative of what this process is capable of at its best. I'll be watching the last two Harry Potter movies in 2D, as intended by Mr. Yates.

As for the movie itself... it had too many problems for me to enjoy it for even what it was, at least on this first viewing.

One thing that stood out? Ralph Fiennes uses his Voldemort voice! His first line to Zeus in the movie was almost a carbon copy of the way he said a similar line in the Goblet of Fire grave yard scene -- something along the lines of how many "years it's been."

Also,

Spoiler

Bubo's cameo was very wink-wink and felt random, like many things in the movie (i.e., the Scorpion guys showing up at the end battle even though Perseus had to book it on Pegasus to make it there in time).

To summarize, don't pay to see the 3D version of Clash of the Titans, if you must pay to see it at all, and, who knows, maybe I was too distracted with how many people will be ripped off $3.00 to really let my guard down and look past the rest of its flaws. Perhaps it is a fun popcorn flick?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Because for me Hulk didn't seem like Hulk.

You know in Ang Lee's Hulk when he is jumping through the air? The moment when Hulk is soaring through the air and he has that look of peace on his face?

Or when he lands at that little lake and sees his reflection in the water and looks at it in wonder like a little child.

Or the "Puny human" part showing the dual personalities between Banner and Hulk.

THAT is what Hulk should be like. And the action scenes were better. The part in the desert is still one of the best scenes in any comic book movie ever IMO.

TIH had "Hulk SMASH!" and "Leave me alone!" oh wow! That is what makes Hulk Hulk!

And Gen Ross was mischaracterized because he didn't give one toss about his daughter. There was no conflict in him between duty and his daughters love. He didn't care that his daughter loved Banner. He was just like "THAT MANS ENTIRE BODY IS PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY!"

The only time he seemed to care about his daughter is when the helicopter crashed.

In the comics he was an prick, for sure. But there was still some conflict in him about how to deal with Hulk.

Yes they did... they took away the fact that Gen Ross does actually care about his daughters feelings.

Couldnt agree more with Ace, especially about Ross, Ross was always more concerned with protecting Betty from the Hulk rather than making a weapon out of the Hulk, in fact, he never wanted to make a weapon out of him in the 616 comics.

Ang's movie is just a more faithful adaptation of the character, sure, TIH was a good popcorn flick, but it didnt even touch on the depth of Hulk as a character, which there is a lot of, ang's Hulk got this perfectly.

 

[protocida]

^ William Hurt's General Ross did care about Betty's feelings. He protect her from the Hulk during the first transformation. He came out of the tank when she called him "Dad". He send the soldier to stop her so she wouldn't be too close once Banner Hulked out at Culver University. He wanted her to see the true extention of Banner's mutation so she would finally understand he's a threat to her and everyone else. He freaked out when it appeared that the helicopter had crushed her and immediatly called out the attack. He ordered Blonsky not to rail into Sterns' lab because Betty was there. He made sure she wasn't handcuffed. He tranquilized her by showing her the Hulk emerging from the ground in Harlem. He tried to protect her when Abomination tried to kill them at the old church. He did care. Yes, he was as much obssesed with using the Hulk as a gun, but he did loved his daughter as much as Sam Elliot's Ross.

And the scene where Hulk tenderly touches Betty's hair, says her name, is highlited by the helicopter's flashlights and sights, running away after one last sad look at his one true love, for me, defines Hulk better than the entire Ang Lee movie.

 

[CrypticOne]

Anyone know what previews are playing with this?

 

[craigdbfan]

So I keep hearing this movie is terrible. Is this the general feel for this movie so far?

 

[S.A.A.D.]

^ William Hurt's General Ross did care about Betty's feelings. He protect her from the Hulk during the first transformation. He came out of the tank when she called him "Dad". He send the soldier to stop her so she wouldn't be too close once Banner Hulked out at Culver University. He wanted her to see the true extention of Banner's mutation so she would finally understand he's a threat to her and everyone else. He freaked out when it appeared that the helicopter had crushed her and immediatly called out the attack. He ordered Blonsky not to rail into Sterns' lab because Betty was there. He made sure she wasn't handcuffed. He tranquilized her by showing her the Hulk emerging from the ground in Harlem. He tried to protect her when Abomination tried to kill them at the old church. He did care. Yes, he was as much obssesed with using the Hulk as a gun, but he did loved his daughter as much as Sam Elliot's Ross.

And the scene where Hulk tenderly touches Betty's hair, says her name, is highlited by the helicopter's flashlights and sights, running away after one last sad look at his one true love, for me, defines Hulk better than the entire Ang Lee movie.

I don't really care for General Ross in either Hulk movie,but you made good points about him from TIH.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I need to rewatch Hulk again. Thinking about it, apart from a few eccentricities, I think the film stands out. It shows Hulk can be more than just "HULK SMASH!" that only serves for action scenes. They added depth. I mean why can't Hulk have that kind of depth? Because the comics say so?

I think with Wolverine they could go the Ang Lee or say, Tarence Mallick way of making a Wolverine film. I think that character deserves a very in depth tragedy.

 

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

I guess we need to ask the mods to change this thread´s title to "Ang Lee´s Hulk vs The Incredible Hulk"

 

[Nathan]

Did Hulk have a cameo in the Movie or what's this about? Did he smash the Kraken?

 

[Raiden]

I like Ang Lee, but to me TIH was a better Hulk movie between the two. The only thing I didn't like about TIH is that instead of turning to Hulk when Banner gets angry, he just needs to have his heart rate speeds up to trigger the transformation. In another word, Banner can turn into Hulk when he's not angry (which features a scene when he was making out with Betty and almost transformed). Not sure why LL made this important change about Hulk and it serves no purpose whatsoever except getting some chuckles out of it.

 

[GhostPoet]

I like Ang Lee, but to me TIH was a better Hulk movie between the two. The only thing I didn't like about TIH is that instead of turning to Hulk when Banner gets angry, he just needs to have his heart rate speeds up to trigger the transformation. In another word, Banner can turn into Hulk when he's not angry (which features a scene when he was making out with Betty and almost transformed). Not sure why LL made this important change about Hulk and it serves no purpose whatsoever except getting some chuckles out of it.

All though at the end they show that he can pretty much transform at will. (and we can assume revert back too)

 

[lzzy]

I for one prefer Ang Lee's Hulk, but I like TIH too. BUT, I'm ore concerned with Clash, is it worth watching if you keep in mind that it's a silly popcorn film, or is it past redemption and is that bad?

 

[The Joker]

No offense, guys, but will you take the Hulk talk somewhere else, please.

 

[roach]

No offense, guys, but will you take the Hulk talk somewhere else, please.

yes please...so does anone think Chris Evans will make a good Cap?

 

[LostSon88]

I for one prefer Ang Lee's Hulk, but I like TIH too. BUT, I'm ore concerned with Clash, is it worth watching if you keep in mind that it's a silly popcorn film, or is it past redemption and is that bad?

Its not bad, its just...flat.

The fight scene's aren't anything special, the plot is razor thin and the acting is passable.

Its nothing to rave about, its just, there--that's the best way I can describe it.

But its not, "bad". I'm sure they'll be a lot of people who'll enjoy it.