Compare "Ultimate Universe" to "Marvel 616"

[hippie_hunter]

What I don't understand is how people complain about Marvel not aging its characters. Peter Parker was made to be forever young, its his tailer made character. Iron man will always be Tony Stark just like Steve Rogers will be Cap and Bruce is the Hulk. DC ages some of its characters but it doesn't make sense to see Nightwing with a then 30 year old Bruce Wayne when he's 15 years old. Almost 20 years later Nightwing looks almost the exact same age as Bruce, who hasn't aged a day nor has Clark Kent or Lois Lane. Some characters shouldn't age becuase they'd lose their audience. That argument is so old!

Actually DC has aged their heroes quite a bit. Batman, Green Arrow, Aquaman, Hal Jordan, and others are well approaching their 40's. Superman is understandable because Kryptonians age slower than humans.

 

[Savage]

I think Ultimate Marvel started off good with the first issues of Ultimate Spider-Man (I found Ultimate Green Goblin to be dumb but the stories were good), but then it just got extremely ******ed. It's like they try and make the Ultimate versions of the characters to be as different as possible instead of having them be new, fresh interpretations like it originally started.

Take Ultimate Spider-Man when he for example. Same costume. Same attitude. Much younger than his 616 counterpart because he's just started unlike his 616 counterpart who's been Spider-Man for over 10 years. He's basically a fresh, reinterpretation of the character and his origins set in today's modern age.

Now we have Ultimate Cable. He's Ultimate Wolverine from the future without the healing factor. Nothing at all like 616 Cable. It's f**king ******ed! It's stupid crap like this that makes me hate the Ultimate line.

Yeah, but I see it more as what would these writers do with the characters. As long as the character is still enjoyable, I'm good with it. I happen to like Ultimate Cable. Ultimate Deadpool too. Just not as much as I do their regular counterparts.

Besides, it's nice to see Cable as a soldier again instead of a god.

 

[Mr. Marko]

I think Ultimate Marvel started off good with the first issues of Ultimate Spider-Man (I found Ultimate Green Goblin to be dumb but the stories were good), but then it just got extremely ******ed. It's like they try and make the Ultimate versions of the characters to be as different as possible instead of having them be new, fresh interpretations like it originally started.

Take Ultimate Spider-Man when he for example. Same costume. Same attitude. Much younger than his 616 counterpart because he's just started unlike his 616 counterpart who's been Spider-Man for over 10 years. He's basically a fresh, reinterpretation of the character and his origins set in today's modern age.

Now we have Ultimate Cable. He's Ultimate Wolverine from the future without the healing factor. Nothing at all like 616 Cable. It's f**king ******ed! It's stupid crap like this that makes me hate the Ultimate line.

Agreed. There is a line. Keeping the basic line of the character is good. I personally don't care what the character looks like (as long as its an improvement or different interpretationt. Example - Electro, Rhino, Shocker, etc etc. You can't just go making up stupid ideas though. If you're going to add to the character, add to it. But don't do it just for the sake of being different and at the expense of the character.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Actually DC has aged their heroes quite a bit. Batman, Green Arrow, Aquaman, Hal Jordan, and others are well approaching their 40's. Superman is understandable because Kryptonians age slower than humans.

Yea, but DC's aging is strange. Some of it's characters age rapidly while other seem to never age. Such as in the ten years Bruce has aged, Nightwing has ages maybe fifteen or twenty.

Marvel's characters do sometimes seem to be eternally the same age.

 

[AndThePickles]

I really like both universes. At one point the Ultimate universe was my favorite, but things have been declining a bit.

 

[LadyMoira]

I appreciate that Ultimate verse is trying to modernize the characters and Ultimate Spiderman's been a good series but frankly the Ultimate version of so many of the characters are completely unlikeable from Cap, to Bruce, to Betty Banner, the Black Widow, Nightcrawler, to Xavier-the list goes on an on. (Though the Ultimate Ironman story actually made Tony more sympathetic for a change.)

 

[Son_of_W]

I appreciate that Ultimate verse is trying to modernize the characters and Ultimate Spiderman's been a good series but frankly the Ultimate version of so many of the characters are completely unlikeable from Cap, to Bruce, to Betty Banner, the Black Widow, Nightcrawler, to Xavier-the list goes on an on. (Though the Ultimate Ironman story actually made Tony more sympathetic for a change.)

I didn't like the Ultimate Ironman story at all personally, but it's one of those stories I'll put in the middle where depending on your taste, you will or won't like it. I agree with you about how bad some of the character interpretations are, but not necessarily all your examples (I like Bruce Banner and Cap, and even nightcrawler in ultimate). Better ones i think are sinister, deadpool and sabretooth, although I haven't been keeping up with some of the ultimate stuff for the last month or so.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Actually DC has aged their heroes quite a bit. Batman, Green Arrow, Aquaman, Hal Jordan, and others are well approaching their 40's. Superman is understandable because Kryptonians age slower than humans.

Hal Jordan was de-aged due to his "rebirth".

 

[Darthphere]

Hal Jordan should de-age into non-existence.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Hal Jordan was de-aged due to his "rebirth".

Wasn't he just given a younger body like Green Arrow. Technically he should be around the same ages of Batman, Superman, and the others.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, but I see it more as what would these writers do with the characters. As long as the character is still enjoyable, I'm good with it. I happen to like Ultimate Cable. Ultimate Deadpool too. Just not as much as I do their regular counterparts.

Besides, it's nice to see Cable as a soldier again instead of a god.

Your opinion has officially be invalidated

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Wasn't he just given a younger body like Green Arrow. Technically he should be around the same ages of Batman, Superman, and the others.

Well...yeah. I mean I guess if you're saying he is 40 in how many years he has been around...maybe. But supposedly he is like 28 biologically now.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

He wasn't given a younger body. He was given his old, dead body, and I guess, for lack of a better term, it came back as good as ever, mid-thirties, like the rest of em.

 

[The Ski Mask]

I think any "fan to be" who doesn't want to do the "40 years of reseach" is stupid and lazy. Sorry if that applies to anyone.

Heh, I am one of them and I got caught up pretty quickly through Wikipedia.

Sure, the I like the ultra conservative Captain American. Expecially the part where he said, "Surrender? What do you think the A on my head stood for? France?"

But...

*Honestly, who like blue skin Tony Stark? I don't.
*Baxtar Building is government think tank? Government appresiate knowledge?
*Ultimate Vision got boobs? WTF?
*Ultimate Punisher is a NYPD?
*Namor the Sub-Mariner is a criminal? No, just no...
*Environmentalist Thor? Ok...

 

[Son_of_W]

Heh, I am one of them and I got caught up pretty quickly through Wikipedia.

Sure, the I like the ultra conservative Captain American. Expecially the part where he said, "Surrender? What do you think the A on my head stood for? France?"

But...

*Honestly, who like blue skin Tony Stark? I don't.
*Baxtar Building is government think tank? Government appresiate knowledge?
*Ultimate Vision got boobs? WTF?
*Ultimate Punisher is a NYPD?
*Namor the Sub-Mariner is a criminal? No, just no...
*Environmentalist Thor? Ok...

About the only thing I Like about that list that Namor is a criminal. Otherwise i completley agree with everything you say. The punisher being part of the NYPD before going berserk makes sense too, but otherwise, yeah. The rest of it can be pretty ******ed. Especially sine the original vision in ultimates looked like a robot the could have gotten ready to take on the hulk. But what are you gonna do? The writers probably don't read complaint letters otherwise they'd stop writing such crap.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I found nothing bad about the Vision having boobs.

And I like Namor too.

 

[samurai black]

*Honestly, who like blue skin Tony Stark? I don't.

the blue skin was a liquid shield created by his parents that helped tony deal with the fact his entire body is one big over sensitive brain, it hurt fro him just to feel air.

*Baxtar Building is government think tank? Government appresiate knowledge?

pretty cool idea, it created an update twist on the building origin, but if you read the FF annual, most of the students are gone.

*Ultimate Vision got boobs? WTF?

You nailed that one there. No arguement here, that idea sucked royally

*Ultimate Punisher is a NYPD?

wasn't he one in the 616?

*Namor the Sub-Mariner is a criminal? No, just no...

yeah i hope they at least ty and fix that one to give him some credibilty.

*Environmentalist Thor? Ok...

Hey, he still kicks ass, who cares if hugs trees and saves whales in his spare time.

 

[The Ski Mask]

the blue skin was a liquid shield created by his parents that helped tony deal with the fact his entire body is one big over sensitive brain, it hurt fro him just to feel air.

I know about the protective liquid shield. After Tony was born, his daddy poured that experimental chemical onto Tony to protect him.

pretty cool idea, it created an update twist on the building origin, but if you read the FF annual, most of the students are gone.

I just don't like think tank.

You nailed that one there. No arguement here, that idea sucked royally

Thankyou.

wasn't he one in the 616?

Nope, Punisher is a Vietnam War Veteran. Haven't you read Punisher: Born?

However, I hope Marvel will reconn Punisher as a First Gulf War veteran, preferabily a Delta Operator.

yeah i hope they at least ty and fix that one to give him some credibilty.

How? I know, he is a Prince but he got overthrown in a coup and got locked up.

Hey, he still kicks ass, who cares if hugs trees and saves whales in his spare time.

He is Thor! Gods don't care about trees and whales.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually, Namor makes MORE sense as a criminal, but that's for other reasons.

And seriously, what's wrong with Ultimate Vision being a female?

 

[Son_of_W]

I'm sorry but the entire blue skin was still a dumb idea. Not to mention the fact that he has brain tissue through his whole body realy complexifies the entire brain tumour in his head problem.

I still don't think the baxter building should be government run, but considering the age of FF in U. universe, I'll concede it makes the most sense when retaining certain elements of the original 616 universe.

Punisher was a cop in 616, until his family was killed, then he became punisher.

Namor being a criminal is cool. I'm sorry for those that disagree, but it gives him that 'badass' edge i find he never had in the 616 universe. The only problem I now see with namor, is that he is creditted as the most powerful metahuman on U. earth.

I won't disagree that Thor is still cool and kicking ass (losing the helmet REALLY helped his image), but fact that his little possy is made up of the marylin Manson wanna' be crew is pretty painful for me. Physically painful for me.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Eh, I liked the blue skin. It made sense to me, at least. The whole "Tony is a brain" thing is quite cool too, but falls short, because basically Tony is only as smart as he is because he's a huge brain, so then if he wasn't, he'd probably be dumber than an average person.

The Baxter Building as a think tank made TONS more sense.

 

[Son_of_W]

Eh, I liked the blue skin. It made sense to me, at least. The whole "Tony is a brain" thing is quite cool too, but falls short, because basically Tony is only as smart as he is because he's a huge brain, so then if he wasn't, he'd probably be dumber than an average person.

The Baxter Building as a think tank made TONS more sense.

It's a matter of opinion really. The story for Ultimate iron man was an aquired taste. i read it twice, and found the second time, i didn't like the ideas, they didn't make sense to me.

Correct, the think tank makes tons of sense. BUT government run is pissing me off. I don't care for having a second government run team after the Ultimates, especially considering how independant the UFF are. But, if this thing is government sponsored, why is a lot of the things reed makes not brought into the modern world where the US government makes wallows of money and then gets even more powerful? Better yet, if it's government run, especially by Thadeus "Thunderbolt" Ross, shouldn't they kinda' get in a load of crap everytime they take the fantasticar for a spin, walk down the street undisguised, make public demonstrations, endanger the public...? I'm losing it over UFF, and that's probably repetative, but that entire sector of the Universe MAKES NO SENSE!

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

lol

I can understand kind of what you mean. But for the most part, the UFF are more or less a government sponsored team that just is kind of allowed to do as they wish, as long as it garners results.

So, if the UFF utilize the fantasticar to go on some little journey, that usually inquires some sort of discovery, this might mean new weapon for Ross and SHIELD.

However, most things made by development companies NEVER make it to the modern world anyway, so that's realistic.

 

[Son_of_W]

lol

I can understand kind of what you mean. But for the most part, the UFF are more or less a government sponsored team that just is kind of allowed to do as they wish, as long as it garners results.

So, if the UFF utilize the fantasticar to go on some little journey, that usually inquires some sort of discovery, this might mean new weapon for Ross and SHIELD.

However, most things made by development companies NEVER make it to the modern world anyway, so that's realistic.

Well, pooh to reality then, we should have cars that can fly and us no energy or fuel.

Ps: I see your point, but Reed giving Ross manufacturable death rays for the government? where were these death rays when The Liberators attacked?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

He said they were easy to reverse engineer.

Easy for Reed, that is.

And they didn't use "no energy" they used "zero energy" the energy produced in a vaccuum. lol