The Dark Knight Concerns about TDK

[Mercurius]

I'm not concerned about the plot, cause I really believe Nolan is quite careful about that.

BUT I'm really concerned with the Joker. His concept is way too different from the comic books.

It may work, but I suppose that most of us will come out of the theatre thinking: "Good villain, but not really the Joker".

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

I'm not concerned about the plot, cause I really believe Nolan is quite careful about that.

BUT I'm really concerned with the Joker. His concept is way too different from the comic books.

It may work, but I suppose that most of us will come out of the theatre thinking: "Good villain, but not really the Joker".

My concerns exactly.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

My one truely main concern is the people that will find somethings they disagree with and spend the rest of there life bashing this film, much like the people do to SR and SM3.

side-note: Seriously, can we stop with the SR bashing already?

No, we can't.
SR and SM3 deserve the bashing they get.
Peace.

 

[metalhead971]

No, we can't.
SR and SM3 deserve the bashing they get.
Peace.

 

[JTIZZLEVILLE]

I'm not concerned about the plot, cause I really believe Nolan is quite careful about that.

BUT I'm really concerned with the Joker. His concept is way too different from the comic books.

It may work, but I suppose that most of us will come out of the theatre thinking: "Good villain, but not really the Joker".

The Joker's concept, at this point at least, doesn't seem far off at all. While his look may be a tad off, the character still looks spot on.

I may not like his look in every picture I've seen, but I've never thought that we weren't getting the real joker.

 

[bunk]

To me it does a little cuz batmans the main character and he cant be wearing a crappy suit

Yeah... I'm trying not to think about it really. If Bats ends up not actually having any more maneuverability in the suit, I'll be really irritated.

 

[Crook]

I think he has a point BECAUSE Burton wasn't allowed to direct Batman Forever and Batman and Robin -- because when Batman Returns came out, with all the parents the fiasco, the movie performed poorly and was not well received for becoming so much darker.

I don't know where you got the idea it performed poorly. For it's time, it doubled it's budget in domestic gross alone, and adjusted for inflation, it performed better than BB and was on par with BF.

WB was afraid the nagging parents would bite them in the ass if they went in the same direction for a sequel, so they ended up cutting off Burton before their profits were cut in future movies. That's the only reason he was booted.

The Joker's concept, at this point at least, doesn't seem far off at all. While his look may be a tad off, the character still looks spot on.

He's referring to the concept of Joker putting on his own make-up, I believe.

 

[Figs]

I don't know where you got the idea it performed poorly. For it's time, it doubled it's budget in domestic gross alone, and adjusted for inflation, it performed better than BB and was on par with BF.

WB was afraid the nagging parents would bite them in the ass if they went in the same direction for a sequel, so they ended up cutting off Burton before their profits were cut in future movies. That's the only reason he was booted.

Exactly! I don't recall Batman Returns doing horrible at the BO back in the day. I thought it did fair to good. Not great mind you but it didn't bomb.

 

[batman1115]

I am concerned about TDK having too many characters in it. If you got scarecrow, two-face and joker....would it be heading the down the Batman Forever and B & R road?

 

[Figs]

I am concerned about TDK having too many characters in it. If you got scarecrow, two-face and joker....would it be heading the down the Batman Forever and B & R road?

Watch BB, same director as TDK. He seemed to handle multiple villians in that one pretty well. I think it will be an improvement over BB and not a step or multiple steps back.

As for Two-Face, I'm a believer in the rumour that he appears in only one of the last scenes. That would have to be my main concern, that Dent might not get enough screen time/depth. I hear all these complaints about the Joker putting on makeup and the new Batsuit but I guess I feel alone when it comes to Dent. Does anyone else have the slightest worry that he won't get enough character depth to make his spiral into madness that much more emotional and heartfelt??

 

[Gianakin_]

I'm with you Figman. When a character fall to the "dark side", in any movie or medium, they need to establish it firmly. You could say it's a concern, but Nolan cares about the story and characters a lot. It's the details he handles that divide people, not the core and most important aspects of the movie. Especially with Jonathan, I'm very optimistic about the characters and the story/ dialogues.

 

[Crook]

Regarding the multiple characters, my concern isn't with the quantity, but the quality.

Nolan seems to handle multiple roles well, but I'm not really sure he can balance 'em just as good. I know it was an origin film, but the villains were severely under-developed. What I'm most concerned about with this, is Dent's screentime. There's so much going on, that it seems like he'll need 2 films before he gets scarred, to give his character ample development.

 

[Figs]

I'm with you Figman. When a character fall to the "dark side", in any movie or medium, they need to establish it firmly. You could say it's a concern, but Nolan cares about the story and characters a lot. It's the details he handles that divide people, not the core and most important aspects of the movie. Especially with Jonathan, I'm very optimistic about the characters and the story/ dialogues.

I know he handles and cares about story and characters more than flash most of the time but im still worried with all him and his brother's talk about figuring out who Joker is. There really hasn't been that much talk about Dent/Two-Face if you go back and read all their interviews.

Regarding the multiple characters, my concern isn't with the quantity, but the quality.

Nolan seems to handle multiple roles well, but I'm not really sure he can balance 'em just as good. I know it was an origin film, but the villains were severely under-developed. What I'm most concerned about with this, is Dent's screentime. There's so much going on, that it seems like he'll need 2 films before he gets scarred, to give his character ample development.

Yup, that's my concern as well. I would be more relieved if I heard that they weren't going to scar him til the beginning/middle of the third film.

 

[NateGray]

I'm not concerned about the plot, cause I really believe Nolan is quite careful about that.

BUT I'm really concerned with the Joker. His concept is way too different from the comic books.

It may work, but I suppose that most of us will come out of the theatre thinking: "Good villain, but not really the Joker".

Exactly how I feel and am quite worried.
it only takes one bad super hero film in a series and wham no more sequels for 10+ years.

 

[Gianakin_]

Exactly how I feel and am quite worried.
it only takes one bad super hero film in a series and wham no more sequels for 10+ years.

The Incredible Hulk. The Punisher 2004.
Although, you could argue that they weren't series, but still.

 

[NateGray]

The Incredible Hulk. The Punisher 2004.
Although, you could argue that they weren't series, but still.

They also did not turn the public away from them or cause the fanbase to split ala SR.
They mostly both got mixed reviews and broke even with DVD sales.
Not quite the same as a Batman and Robin which is what Nolan may end up with depending on how people take his take on the Joker or it may split the fanbase ala SR neither of which I would call a good thing.

Bad WOM may kill DK if people just do not accept the Joker applying makeup to look the way he does or if he just isn't the Joker we know and love

And no I do not know the inside details of whether it is true or not but that is what has me worried.

 

[Gianakin_]

What I disagree with is this:
BR was a piece of cinematic s&&t. You overestimate the fanboy numbers and power. The general public will not care if he applies makeup or not. They might wonder why he didn't fall into the chemical vat, but that's it. If they like the movie, they won't really care about the adaptation. What you do is equalize the movie with the adaptation.

 

[bestever23]

my only concern right now is from the pictures and spy photos

batman will be doing in the daytime

just seems weird

and the batmen remind me of joe showmuker film
but if they do it right I'll like it

joker looks amazing and will be (so I have no worry about that)

the new suit makes him thinner but I like it

the bat pod I didn't like at first but now I think it's alright

so far that's my only concern

batman in daylight
and batmen

but I know nolan won't do a batman and robin movie thing

 

[Vile]

The general public will not care if he applies makeup or not.

Bingo.

The Joker applying make-up will not make or break this film.

 

[NateGray]

What I disagree with is this:
BR was a piece of cinematic s&&t. You overestimate the fanboy numbers and power. The general public will not care if he applies makeup or not. They might wonder why he didn't fall into the chemical vat, but that's it. If they like the movie, they won't really care about the adaptation. What you do is equalize the movie with the adaptation.

Sorry I do not fall for the general audience is stupid and will accept anything we tell them crap.

If you are a comic book person like me then when any comic book movie comes out everyone in my office makes there way by my cube to question me about the movie and if I liked it think they will etc.

Now I only assume others get asked WOM like me and if I do not like a move I will not tell non comic book fans to go see it, other comic book fans I may say see it and judge for yourself.

And finally I am not estimating anything so kindly do not try to put words in my mouth, I have said every time MY WORRIES I do not equate any of my worries to anyone but myself kktnx.

 

[SalaciousVC]

My concern is that they will do the two-face character wrong

 

[NateGray]

Bingo.

The Joker applying make-up will not make or break this film.

And again I disagree because people like me will give it bad WOM if that is the case.
People also said the average person would not care Galactus was a cloud well fans cared and cried so much the movie pretty much failed and that cloud is the main reason.

Its the same concept if fans hate the idea they will bash it and non fans will not see a movie there comic book friends are bashing even if they do not fully understand the reasoning thats why its called word of mouth.....

 

[Gianakin_]

I'm not trying to make you see their point of view. You stated that bad WOM will kill the movie. It's not about opinion. There are X people like you who will spread bad WOM because of the Joker makeup. I assume you'll tell them why you say the movie is bad. I guess they'll judge if your reasons are good enough to not see it. My point is, the X number isn't that big and those reasons, IMO, are not strong enough to make a general movie-goer to avoid the movie.
Last, I didn't try to put words in your mouth. I honestly without insulting you think that you make too big of a deal the Joker makeup (for instance) and how this will affect the movie. That is all. nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Crook]

And again I disagree because people like me will give it bad WOM if that is the case.
People also said the average person would not care Galactus was a cloud well fans cared and cried so much the movie pretty much failed and that cloud is the main reason.

No, it wasn't. How about the film being probably the worst of the big-time summer blockbuster batch? Or the first film just sucking that it already started off pretty bad? Or not being worth repeat views? Galactus was the least of their problems.

Its the same concept if fans hate the idea they will bash it and non fans will not see a movie there comic book friends are bashing even if they do not fully understand the reasoning thats why its called word of mouth.....

Fans make up a ridiculously small portion of the general audience for this film. I'm a permawhite fan myself, but even I know it won't do sh1t to this film's performance.

 

[Gianakin_]

And again I disagree because people like me will give it bad WOM if that is the case.
People also said the average person would not care Galactus was a cloud well fans cared and cried so much the movie pretty much failed and that cloud is the main reason.

Excuse me, but from all people I've talked about, those who didn't like it stated the reason was that it was silly and mediocre as a film. Those who liked it, liked it as a comedy with decent FX. Nobody ever said anything about what Galactus was.