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Huge spidey fan here who quit the series after brand new day. I hate, and still hate, the idea that the continuity has been messed with. As someone who grew up with Spidey, I loved the fact he was moving on with his life as I was. Going to college, getting a job, getting married, etc. His life strike a vibe with my own. More recently, I loved the relationship JMS developed with Peter and MJ.

So, is the storyline still mucked up with JoeQ's work or is it safe to come back?
 
I think the best part about the fan backlash over BND, OMIT... the Clone Saga... is not the endless posts from people proclaiming their hate. It's posts (and everyone apparently needs their own post) stating that they are willing to give Spider-Man a chance... again.

All of the latest changes have stuck, despite those angered by them stating they would NEVER last. The stories for the most part are good. Not everything is amazing, but for the most part enjoyable. The same as Spidey, or any comic, has ever been. Ups and downs. Right now things seems to be leaning more often to positive. So enjoy.
 
Hah, I didn't see any recent posts about it, so I figured I create a new thread to see whats up. Don't mean any offense by it friend.

Actually, I was annoyed during the time Mackie did the whole Peter/MJ break up, but the Paul Jenkin's run of Peter Parker: Spider-man and Spectacular were really good. Then again, it was mostly due to the writing.

Ok, outside of the changes, any good storyline (with issue #'s) that are good to read?
 
Start with ASM #648... came out about 6 months ago... you should be able to get caught up pretty quickly...

:yay:
 
Yeah, the Dan Slott solo books are the best of this clusterf***. And very little mention of Peter's love life so the bad taste doesn't linger as long.
 
Cool, I'll start with 648. Does his spidey have good quips and one liners? If so, I'm game.
 
me too. snickerf$#%ingdoodles, indeed.

i have actually been enjoying asm more as of late, especially the greater emphasis of his scientific ability. it's certainly one element that makes his place in the fantastic four even more interesting, knockin brains with reed.

even though i loved harry's death, by which i mean it was well-done, i hafta confess i've enjoyed his return. but a lot of the other supporters are boring me silly.

so i'd say give it a whirl. it has been getting better in my opinion. i do miss having a creative team for two or three years, tho...
 
Cool, I'll start with 648. Does his spidey have good quips and one liners? If so, I'm game.

If you ask me I'd say his quipping and one-lining has been pretty fantastic ever since BND started.
 
I would start with # 648 as others have said. It's the start of Dan Slott's solo run and it's kind of a nice fresh start for people who have been away for a while. Go from there and if you enjoy stick around because it's been a fun ride for me so far. Plus some great art in the process, especially from Marcos Martin.
 
I would start with # 648 as others have said. It's the start of Dan Slott's solo run and it's kind of a nice fresh start for people who have been away for a while. Go from there and if you enjoy stick around because it's been a fun ride for me so far. Plus some great art in the process, especially from Marcos Martin.

Thanks guys for the advice. Reat 648, and kinda like how Spidey is.

Just weirded out with stuff like this random female roommate, him having a new gf who I no clue who she is.

And why did and he and MJ start cracking up about moving in together. What happened that brought that about (outside the obvious of mephisto, etc)?
 
As everyone else has said, start with 648, and move on. I HATED BND/OMD more than anyone, and I'm reading ASM again. Now that they've moved past themselves and their need to poke fun of old-time fans, the series has began to move forward by leaps and bounds. It's the best its been since JMS started up his run back in the day...you know...Before Sins Past sucked the life out of Spidey...followed by The Other....the Unmasking...One More Day....you know.

As a hater of the past 3 years, it's great right now. I know no greater testimonial to give you.
 
Like nearly everybody else, I'll tell you to start with #648 where Big Time starts. The 2 part storyline in 655-656 instantly became one of my favorites ever. Although there are some pretty great stories from the BND era sprawled out in my opinion if you give some of it a shot.
 
Their cracking up was because they already tried to live together once and it obviously didn't work out. At least in this universe.
 
anyone else kinda ambivalent (spoiler alert) about the loss of spidey's spider-sense? while i imagine it will come back in dramatic fashion at some point (splash page at the end of an issue, spidey shakes his head, gives an angry look, and says "the buzz is back.") i am not in complete accord with the way it's been handled. i remember back in amazing 228 (the classic "murder by spider") he had it negated and was still able to dodge bullets and generally behave in a competent manner. i think with its recent loss, spidey has been a little too bumbling. are we now to believe that without spider-sense, peter is in constant danger of being hit with cans? of not hearing what's happening during a fight? while i generally like bendis, his marvel universe contains an overtly gawky, insecure spider-man, which, while i know is something we love about him, he is also a competent, accomplished adult and superhero, one who has been at it longer than most. while it's always good to be resourceful and learn to exist without depended upon powers, i would like to see spidey compensating a little more skillfully.
 
Not to be one of "those guys" but I have not been able to enjoy Spider-Man comics since BND. Bad stories, and stupid editorial moves I can stomach (even Sins Past), but as soon as they made, what, 15 years of Spider-Man's history not matter anymore...I really feel a disconnect with the character overall.

Even now that Dan Slott is churning out some pretty good stories, it still feels...fake. Hollow without the history that made the current Spider-Man who he is.

Also, I don't think the twice a month schedule helps much. I much more enjoyed spending my money on the diversity of ASM, Sensational, and Friendly Neighborhood (which was actually a really good title for it's short run) than the same creative team and direction over and over twice and month.

But that's just me.
 
So I flipped through the "One Moment in Time" TPB at a bookstore yesterday as the images in another thread got me nostalgic.

My thoughts go here as there seems like little place else to put them.....so they're ending the OMD/BND era with Peter and MJ getting back together as a couple? But in this alternate reality where they never married? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of this stupid, stupid, stupid retcon?

Also, while appreciated the reverence to that Wedding annual, it was a great comic, Peter not showing up on the day just felt horrendous and cheap after knowing that was how it changed for years. As I didn't actually read most of it, did they stay together as a couple? She seems to leave him (which makes future stories like KLH, Harry's Death and not to mention BABY MAY pretty much impossible)....but then they're living together, though not married, during Civil War and BIB? She leaves him again and has a very out of character speech? And then it flashes forward to them getting over those two devastating break-ups with a kiss.....

it just was bad, bad, bad. I know they're trying to clean out the taste of those horrible issues for Spidey (CW through OMD), but it just still smells rotten. And if they're a couple again, it even seems pointless. It seems Marvel has no clue what to do with Spidey and that is sad.
 
Not to be one of "those guys" but I have not been able to enjoy Spider-Man comics since BND. Bad stories, and stupid editorial moves I can stomach (even Sins Past), but as soon as they made, what, 15 years of Spider-Man's history not matter anymore...I really feel a disconnect with the character overall.

Even now that Dan Slott is churning out some pretty good stories, it still feels...fake. Hollow without the history that made the current Spider-Man who he is.

Also, I don't think the twice a month schedule helps much. I much more enjoyed spending my money on the diversity of ASM, Sensational, and Friendly Neighborhood (which was actually a really good title for it's short run) than the same creative team and direction over and over twice and month.

But that's just me.

But the history still counts... they lived together... they went through the same stories that we all read... everything that happened still matters.

So I flipped through the "One Moment in Time" TPB at a bookstore yesterday as the images in another thread got me nostalgic.

My thoughts go here as there seems like little place else to put them.....so they're ending the OMD/BND era with Peter and MJ getting back together as a couple? But in this alternate reality where they never married? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of this stupid, stupid, stupid retcon?

Also, while appreciated the reverence to that Wedding annual, it was a great comic, Peter not showing up on the day just felt horrendous and cheap after knowing that was how it changed for years. As I didn't actually read most of it, did they stay together as a couple? She seems to leave him (which makes future stories like KLH, Harry's Death and not to mention BABY MAY pretty much impossible)....but then they're living together, though not married, during Civil War and BIB? She leaves him again and has a very out of character speech? And then it flashes forward to them getting over those two devastating break-ups with a kiss.....

it just was bad, bad, bad. I know they're trying to clean out the taste of those horrible issues for Spidey (CW through OMD), but it just still smells rotten. And if they're a couple again, it even seems pointless. It seems Marvel has no clue what to do with Spidey and that is sad.

They are not a couple now... they broke up at some point after OMD... because Peter made Mary Jane remember when she wanted to forget like everybody else because it was just "too much"... OMIT's not great, but it does tie erverything together so that the books since 1987 still "matter", in spite of what the haters will claim...
 
They are not a couple now... they broke up at some point after OMD... because Peter made Mary Jane remember when she wanted to forget like everybody else because it was just "too much"... OMIT's not great, but it does tie erverything together so that the books since 1987 still "matter", in spite of what the haters will claim...

Yeah, it shows you how out of the loop I am with Spidey these days when I had no idea this story existed until I thumbed through some paperbacks two days ago to see what Marvel has done with the character as of late. :shy: After I posted that, I Wiki'd the story to fill in the gaps with the images that I skimmed. My more nuanced thought:

OMIT seems to be Joe Quesada's second try to push his argument that Spidey should be single and he and MJ do not belong together. His first attempt, OMD, is almost universally considered the worst Spider-Man story ever told in any medium....ever. The fanbase is still wildly divided (I quit following Spidey comics semi-regularly for the first time in 12+ years with that story). Thus OMIT, appears to be the retcon of the retcon. Peter didn't really make the deal with the devil as he saved Aunt May with "the power of love" ( :dry: ) and he wiped everyone's minds with Dr. Strange's deux ex machina. However, that doesn't really explain then why the red bird let the fat thug out to fall on Peter.

However, the problem was it's still damage control. It isn't a story in its own right but a piece of editorial agenda trying to force the character to where Quesada believes he will be more profitable and long-lasting. I don't hate Joey Q despite my mocking. I think outside of Spidey he has done a great job of bringing Marvel into the 21st century (and should take notes now from what DC is doing with iTunes for tablets), but this is just a decision that I really disagree with. However, he wants Spidey single. Fine. The way he goes about it though is completely lousy. He hides behind much of the Annual for coverage, but the Annual was trying to point that despite their (very reasonable) doubts they still give it a chance because they love each other. He uses that as an excuse to make it not happen.

But the rest of it seems to be he blames it all on MJ. He doesn't want much blame to fall on Peter, because he is the hero of the books and he can't vilify him too much. That's understandable. But either intentionally our unintentionally he turns MJ into a weak, shallow woman and betrays her character's integrity even more. Now, not only did she make a deal with the devil or some form of that, she calls off the marriage....because she wants to be with Peter but they can't be married unless he gives up Spidey and they have kids? So Baby May is erased? She wanted to forget her life with Peter because "it's too painful"?!?!?! She leaves Peter because she was put in danger, even though she has been through much worse at Peter's side? She is, literally in her own words and by her own admission, "too weak" and "not strong enough" for Peter to be with him and he needs to find someone else? She's....setting him free?

It is all so out of character and just hackneyed writing for Quesada to apologize for trivializing her importance with OMD/BND and now to try to move on. There are still holes (MJ's role as married to Peter in KLH, Harry's death, the baby which disproved that he was a clone, the split up and going to Hollywood, etc.). If he wanted to break them up he should have had a good writer do it three years ago. This was a retcon of the retcon that Marvel hopes will salvage the fractured fanbase.

It kind of reinforces why I quit Spidey four years ago.
 
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