Constantine General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[Sawyer]

The ratings will bounce back with Ep. 10-13 just like how 3-5 did.

You have really no way of knowing this. I'd love to see the show get a renewal, but let's be real here.

The best I can hope for right now is that some cable network might swoop in to give it another season after NBC cancels it. Maybe Syfy. But those things are really like 1 in 1,000.

I will say NBC gave this thing's return next to no promo time. So, you know.... f*** them for that.

 

[cronosred]

It's too bad the show went on break just after the ratings finally went up. As much as I would love to see the show continue I don't see it happening in any way.

 

[kguillou]

Have you guys seen this?

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Man, I would watch the s*** out of an entire series like this!

 

[Jason Kane]

You have really no way of knowing this. I'd love to see the show get a renewal, but let's be real here.

The best I can hope for right now is that some cable network might swoop in to give it another season after NBC cancels it. Maybe Syfy. But those things are really like 1 in 1,000.

I will say NBC gave this thing's return next to no promo time. So, you know.... f*** them for that.

Either Syfy or AMC. But yeah. NBC really ballsed up badly in not promoting the new timeslot on air compared to on social media

 

[famicommander]

I've said all along that the best hope for more episodes after the initial 13 was a digital service like Amazon Prime or Hulu. I don't see that as particularly likely, but it's at least a possibility. Anyone still holding out hope that NBC will renew the series is kidding themselves, and the show is likely too expensive for a cable network. There are already plenty of other DC/Vertigo series on the way to cable channels (Krypton, Preacher, DMZ, Scalped, Titans, etc.) and they don't have the baggage attached that Constantine does at the moment.

As for the ratings, aside from a single 1.1 performance (the episode which followed the fantastic episode 4) every episode after the pilot has been a 0.8, 0.9, or 1.0 and it hasn't been consistent. Up one week, down another, back up again, back down. It has never risen two consecutive weeks:
http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/constantine-season-one-ratings-34484/

I dare say we could be looking at a new low next Friday night, given the midseason premiere (and part two of a cliffhanger) tied the series low.

Those just aren't the kinds of numbers, even for a show on a Friday night, that would entice a network to save it. They keep claiming the DVR/digital viewership is good, and if so, that's what companies like Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, Yahoo, etc. would be looking at. Those numbers aren't going to matter to cable channels airing the show in first run.

I did enjoy last night's episode, though. I was thinking it'd be Nergal that came to save John but given the midseason finale I should have known it'd be Pazusu. Zed's plot seems to finally be going somewhere and her acting has been improving bit by bit.

 

[Jason Kane]

Thank the gods for the ignore list.....

 

[famicommander]

For a guy that ignores me, you sure do have a strange habit of responding to everything I post.

That post is pretty innocuous and soundly reasoned. I've pretty much predicted everything about this show's performance, from the low ratings to the timeslot shift to the impending cancellation. But don't let that ruin a good delusion.

I just hope we get a real ending with episode 13; I hated when Young Justice and Thundercats got cancelled because they ended on cliffhangers.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

solid episode last night

i'm hopeful that NBC won't pull the plug. they know the show has a large fanbase and are well aware how well the show does due to On Demand services, online streaming and DVR

 

[famicommander]

solid episode last night

i'm hopeful that NBC won't pull the plug. they know the show has a large fanbase and are well aware how well the show does due to On Demand services, online streaming and DVR

That may be true, but those other services just haven't caught up to the Nielsen ratings in terms of advertising money.

Nielsen will get less and less relevant as time goes on, but at this moment in time it's still the best metric that advertisers have to decide where to spend their money. NBC will not save a show with bad Nielsen ratings just because of good viewership from alternative platforms; that's not how NBC makes money.

Again, things like DVRs, On Demand, Hulu, Amazon, iTunes, etc would help if they were trying to sell a show into syndication or if one of those services were looking to save the show. But they won't factor much, if at all, into NBC's decision to cancel or save the show.

No show in Constantine's situation (fall debut not getting a backorder in a non-strike year, not including series that were intended to be short orders in the first place) has EVER been renewed by its original network. It's not even worth hoping for NBC at this point.

 

[Jason Kane]

solid episode last night

i'm hopeful that NBC won't pull the plug. they know the show has a large fanbase and are well aware how well the show does due to On Demand services, online streaming and DVR

Yup. Especially since it keeps increasing in L+3s

 

[Grommers]

I also forgot the show came back on this week, so had to watch it at a later time, which obviously every person counts, I really hope this show stays on, I even try promoting it to my friends, hopefully they look and see the fan base is much stronger than other shows and their is a lot of loyalty, it just needs a way to get new fans in..coming into that mid-season premier you could be completely lost as to what's going on, and since it didn't start off strong in terms of viewership, it's hard to gather more viewers in a serial show especially of this sorts.

Hopefully they notice the on-demand etc, and that alot of people are catching up on it at a later date.

 

[Jason Kane]

I also forgot the show came back on this week, so had to watch it at a later time, which obviously every person counts, I really hope this show stays on, I even try promoting it to my friends, hopefully they look and see the fan base is much stronger than other shows and their is a lot of loyalty, it just needs a way to get new fans in..coming into that mid-season premier you could be completely lost as to what's going on, and since it didn't start off strong in terms of viewership, it's hard to gather more viewers in a serial show especially of this sorts.

Hopefully they notice the on-demand etc, and that alot of people are catching up on it at a later date.

Both Ryan and Cerone (plus Goyer) have pointed out the network does look at the L+3 and L+7 results

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

There is still a question about whether or not Constantine will get a second season, but things don't look great. NBC President Jennifer Salke and entertainment chairman Robert Greenblatt both expressed concerns:

Salke: [We're] still talking about [whether to renew the show]. We wish the show had done better live. It has a big viewership after [live airings] in all kinds of ways, and it has a younger audience. The live number is challenging. It hasn't kind of come out of Grimm the way we wanted it to. We love the show. I think it's fair to say we're really still talking about it.

Greenblatt: We got on the bandwagon of these shows based on comic books, and maybe there are too many of them. It's a popular series of comics, but it's not The Flash. It's not Batman, so maybe it suffers a little bit there. But as Jen said, it's a show we really liked. We love Matt Ryan, who is the star of it. I think we did right by the fans who didn't like the film that was made of it, and I think the future is still up in the air on that show.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2015/01/17/constantine-ratings-fall/

It is not looking good folks which is a damn shame since this show is so freaking good. Each episode gets better and better. Hopefully if it does end they are able to give us closure on the story arc. And I must say Zed was looking extra sexy last episode!

 

[Jason Kane]

http://insidetv.ew.com/2015/01/17/constantine-ratings-fall/

It is not looking good folks which is a damn shame since this show is so freaking good. Each episode gets better and better. Hopefully if it does end they are able to give us closure on the story arc. And I must say Zed was looking extra sexy last episode!

I stopped paying attention to EW. When it comes to badmouthing the show, they're just as bad as TVBTN

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Well the source may be EW but the quotes are from people that are NBC executives that have the power to renew it or not

 

[Micromind]

How other supernatural themed shows are doing much better than Constantine ? I find it odd.

How shows like Supernatural (which I stopped watching after season one) and Grimm are able to attract viewers while Constantine is finding it difficult ?

 

[Man in the Suit]

Supernatural is easy to understand. Likeable leads, cool mythology, can be a very funny show. It just works. (The first 5 seasons.)

I haven't seen Grimm.

 

[Micromind]

Come on... John Constantine is also likable and he can be funny at times.

Besides, it's also a show rooted in Supernatural mythology.

 

[RichardRider]

I was hoping this would do so well that we'd see some time here in the UK. It's too bad. I love this show.

 

[Jason Kane]

Supernatural is easy to understand. Likeable leads, cool mythology, can be a very funny show. It just works. (The first 5 seasons.)

I haven't seen Grimm.

Then the later 5, it dissappeared up its own backside.

 

[mr. peasant]

Come on... John Constantine is also likable and he can be funny at times.

Besides, it's also a show rooted in Supernatural mythology.

Plus, it stars a grumpy Brit. I thought America loved grumpy Brits. Simon Cowell, Gordon Ramsay, Sherlock, House...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I had my doubts about Constantine, but it has proved itself week after week. It is a show that lives up to Hellblazer. Sadly, it doesn't look long for this world. The two-parter ended a little weakly, but I loved it overall. Could be only 4 episodes left. I will be sure to enjoy them.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Grimm and Supernatural are complete dog ****

 

[famicommander]

Grimm and Supernatural are complete dog ****

I'm actually inclined to agree with you, but that doesn't change Constantine's fate. Those shows found their audiences and, for whatever reason (I blame David Goyer, but that's probably because I hate David Goyer), Constantine did not. There's no reason to begrudge those shows or their fans because our show failed and they didn't.

I still think there's a way to do a Constantine TV show but NBC is just too far off. In my opinion, they should have targeted a premium cable service or streaming service like HBO, Showtime, Hulu, Amazon, Netflix, etc. That would have allowed them to deal with some of the more mature/shocking themes of Hellblazer. I was shocked to see Constantine banging heroin on NBC, but I still feel like on HBO or a similar network they could have gotten deeper into the character. His bisexuality, his chain smoking, the drugs, his mouth, some of the risks he takes/the people he screws over+the way he does it, the gore and other sexual content, etc. would have all played better on a cable network/streaming service than network TV.

Beyond that, I think they need to have a better staff. I just don't think David Goyer is very good with comic book properties (I know some will disagree, and that's okay). As much fun as I've been having watching the show, they haven't really strived for anything out of the ordinary in terms of storytelling or structure. Pretty much every episode has adhered to a predictable formula.

I do like Matt Ryan in the lead role a lot. I don't hate the feature film, but his representation of the character blows Keanu's out of the water.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

famicommander is in completely troll mode now. Every post is about the show being cancelled.