Constantine General Discussion Thread - Part 1

I am a new poster but I have been reading the Constantine threads since the beginning and I don't honestly get your angle and I am surprised you haven't been banned yet because you seem to get off on irritating posters who genuinely like the show.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't know you and you may be a fan of the show/Constantine in general, but all your posts indicate that you are enjoying the fact that the show is likely (who knows) to be cancelled. You seem to be playing the same record all the time. Yes, we all get it and I am pretty much sceptical about it being renewed too, which is a damn shame because it's a good show. And if it gets cancelled you can be all like "told you so" and etc.

But you need to change the tune and stop irritating other posters, you have already mentioned its likely to be cancelled. We get it. Now are you an actual fan of the show? Or do you honestly get enjoyment because people are enjoying the show and you get off on wanting to see them disappointed? If so, you need to re-evaluate your life goals mate. I don't want this post to sound offensive, but do you not realise you are annoying other posters with the same drivel you are posting constantly? That's why you are on ignore from a fair few posters. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are a fan, I hope so. Just try change the record for a bit, otherwise if you are going to continue posting the same thing all the time, why haven't the mods removed you from the boards as you are not contributing anything to the forum apart to piss off genuine fans of the show?

Anyways, no more discussion about you. Loved this week's episode, I felt if you're new to Constantine, you should definitely watch this episode. I really wish it was slightly darker in tone though.


It's not worth it mate. There was a time when I thought he was genuinely trying to present a different point of view, but he's obviously just trolling. And there's no point in having a sensible approach in discussion with a troll, ignoring him is really an only option.

And I agree on both accounts, about episode being good and needing to be darker. But the latter relates to the entire show. It really should be a bit darker, it would do much good to the show.
 
Chances are this doesn't get renewed, but I would love Constantine the show to pull a classic John Constantine escape and live to fight another season. :)
 
Chances are this doesn't get renewed, but I would love Constantine the show to pull a classic John Constantine escape and live to fight another season. :)

Seeing as this week's episode might fare well ratings wise (and with no College Football on a rival network to throw a wrench into things), I say it just might
 
I just hope they change the time slot for this show - I try to get my friends to watch this show but none seem interested as they didn't like the Keanu Reeves movie, and won't even give this a chance. I knew nothing about constantine and never watched the movie. I think the way this show is being marketted hurts it a lot too, it's nothing what I initially thought Constantine was (which I thought he was more like a 'spawn' character.) in terms of going around and killing baddies. Yet this comes off more as a mystery / detective style show about the undead/demons, and I wish they would market it that way, because as of right now they seem to be showing the "cool scenes" but those scenes are dime a dozen in shows about demons/undead.
 
They need to make the show more exciting,entertaining and cooler.And it needs better supporting characters
 
Why NBC Set Up Constantine for Failure

By Mat 'Inferiorego' Elfring 4 hours ago

There's no guarantee that no matter how well put together a show is that it will do well. There's a plethora of reasons a show can fail or get cancelled, even ones fans love. Firefly, Arrested Development, Freeks and Geeks, Futurama, and a plethora of other shows get the boot before it's realized how popular they are. Television moves fast, and if new shows don't get the ratings, they get the boot. It's as simple as that. There doesn't seem to be as much time allotted to let series grow and find their audience.
Look, I know we're starting on the wrong foot. I'm talking about the cancellation of widely-loved shows to put all of what I want to talk about into perspective: a show that is yet to be cancelled, but it certainly looks like it's headed that way. If you missed the title of this piece, then you probably don't know I'm talking about NBC's Constantine. I love this show, and it seems to have found a solid following on social media, with people tweeting out #SaveConstantine, which includes the writers of the show.

In recent news, according to Deadline, NBC didn't order a full season and this first season will be capped at 13 episodes. This doesn't mean the show is cancelled, but it doesn't seem like this series has a lot of hope. Sure, it is still in contention for the show to get picked up for a second season, but with other comic shows in their first season, The Flash and Gotham, both getting full season orders, there's not a lot of hope, at least from me, but maybe I'm a bit of a pessimist.
While the title of this article may make it seem like I completely and utterly blame NBC for how well or not well this show is doing, that's not entirely the case. There's a lot of blame to throw around, but first and foremost, we should really talk about what I'm calling the "Time Slot from Hell." Constantine airs on Friday nights at 10/9C, right after Grimm. While the intent to put Constantine on right after another show with the same type of tone, which audiences may gravitate towards, is a good idea, the show is still on Fridays at 9/10C. Late prime-time on Friday nights: the time where the whole family sits around the television and basks in the warmth of all their favorite shows, right? Nope. Lots of folks like to go out on Fridays, and when people aren't home, they can't watch television.

I can understand why Constantine is on at 10 at night. There's shows that are violent and darker that do well that air at that time like The Strain, Sons of Anarchy, and American Horror Story: Freakshow. While two out of three are series that are well-established, they aren't shows that can be on right in prime-time because of the level of maturity. So putting Constantine on that late leaves me to believe that it is a more mature show. Here's the thing, you could put this on at 8 and it would be fine. It's not a mature show. There's adult elements within the show, but there's nothing that makes this a show that has to be on this late. If you can put dramatic sex-crime investigation shows on during peak viewing hours, Constantine should be fine. Now, forgetting the idea that fall premiere shows get cancelled more than they get renewed, it's just the worst place to air a show. Let's look at some numbers, for other Friday shows, on the other major networks, from Tv By The Numbers.
At the same time as Constantine, according to the ratings from 12/6, ABC's 20/20 had 6.3 million live viewers (1.4 rating). CBS's Blue Bloods, which was a rerun, had 6.61 million live viewers (0.8 rating). Constantine had 3.1 million live viewers (0.8 rating). In total, there were 16 million people watching these networks. Listen, I have no idea how the rating system works. I do understand the total number of people watching though. I can tell you that same time slot, on a Monday night, has 20 million viewers between the three networks and two of the shows in that 10PM time slot have 8 million live viewers. You can do the math from there. That's four million more viewers and those shows are up against Monday Night Football (11.7 million live viewers) and WWE's Monday Night Raw (4 million live viewers), two staples on Monday nights.
Where am I going with that? Well, Friday night viewership isn't there, no matter how great the show is. The regular week or even Sundays are where it's at. The well intentions of placing Constantine on after Grimm is still a slap in the face and shows NBC has little faith in the show, as they're using it for filler before your nightly news.
I don't know much about how live viewing vs streaming works either. Are people watching this show on NBC.com or on Hulu? What about the people, much like me, that have to DVR it each week? What are those numbers like compared to everything else? Hopefully, NBC has a good understanding that the way people watch tv is changing and changing quickly.

Another strange thing that happened with this series, which feels like NBC doesn't have much faith in the show is airing episodes out of order. I don't know how often it happens, but every example I can think of resulted in the show getting cancelled within its first season, right Firefly? According to a few folks here and there, episode #106 "Rage of Caliban" was actually supposed to be the second episode, and it was obvious, even before I learned that piece of information. Airing things out of order doesn't make too much sense, even if the series has a bit more of a villain of the week feeling to it. There is an overarcing story and when things don't air the way they're supposed to, you can tell.
Constantine came over a lot of odds from the start, with Lucy Griffiths, the main actress of the pilot, leaving the show, there was a lot of doomsayers before the show even started letting the world know the show was destined for failure. On top of that, the first few episodes were a tad rough. They were ok, but nothing to really shake a stick at. The show really didn't hit a solid stride until the fourth episode, "A Feast of Friends," based off the first arc of HELLBLAZER. From there, the show really found it's footing. Sadly, it lost a lot of people looking forward to the show and once their gone, it's hard to get them back, which sucks because this is actually turning out to be one hell of a show.
Sure, not everything is NBC's fault when it comes of Constantine, but they certainly did set it up for failure, which sucks because it's easily one of the better comic book television series currently on the air, and as I said earlier, we live in a great age for that. What I want you, random person reading this who hasn't seen the show, is to give it a shot. Ignore my fanboy cries, whines, and pleas about how everything is awful, except the show and go check out "A Feast of Friends." You can watch it right here, along with the other episodes. Judge for yourself, since it's a show that never was really given a chance.
If you don't like, oh well. If you do like it, continue to watch it. Let people know. The writers of the show encourage people on Twitter to use #SaveConstantine when tweeting about it, so go do that. Again, it's a great show and there's lots of potential for growth, so let's try to save a show in a horrible time slot.
#SaveConstantine

https://games.yahoo.com/news/why-nbc-set-constantine-failure-211100284.html
 
I would love for this show to get another season but I don't think it will so I'm just going to enjoy it while it lasts.
 
I just hope they change the time slot for this show - I try to get my friends to watch this show but none seem interested as they didn't like the Keanu Reeves movie, and won't even give this a chance. I knew nothing about constantine and never watched the movie. I think the way this show is being marketted hurts it a lot too, it's nothing what I initially thought Constantine was (which I thought he was more like a 'spawn' character.) in terms of going around and killing baddies. Yet this comes off more as a mystery / detective style show about the undead/demons, and I wish they would market it that way, because as of right now they seem to be showing the "cool scenes" but those scenes are dime a dozen in shows about demons/undead.
Mondays or Thusdays would suffice the show nicely and with better results
 
The show really didn't hit a solid stride until the fourth episode, "A Feast of Friends," based off the first arc of HELLBLAZER. From there, the show really found it's footing. Sadly, it lost a lot of people looking forward to the show and once their gone, it's hard to get them back, which sucks because this is actually turning out to be one hell of a show.

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and this is the main problem with the show.You can't expect viewers to wait till it gets good.It should be good straight up the bat.U have only one chance to make an impression
 
I dunno... SHIELD got off to a slow start last year, and only picked itself up around December... And it's a pretty damn good show now...

Constantine is the kind of show that would take three of four episodes MINIMUM go gets the gears grinding... It's been great since the episode with the bluesman's test pressing... And I would love to see it last a few more seasons....
 
I dunno... SHIELD got off to a slow start last year, and only picked itself up around December... And it's a pretty damn good show now...

Constantine is the kind of show that would take three of four episodes MINIMUM go gets the gears grinding... It's been great since the episode with the bluesman's test pressing... And I would love to see it last a few more seasons....

Heh. I reckon that can be a new TV Trope name
 
and this is the main problem with the show.You can't expect viewers to wait till it gets good.It should be good straight up the bat.U have only one chance to make an impression

Ideally every TV show would hit the ground running but in reality that doesn't always happen.

Breaking Bad is a show that didn't generate much interest when it began but steadily it grew a following and became one of the most well received TV shows in recent years thanks to good word of mouth.

Some shows need a few episodes or even a season to find their footing.
 
The funny thing about Breaking Bad though is even though it didn't have great ratings at first, it didn't waste time hitting the ground running. By the end of the pilot episode Walter and Jesse had already teamed up and were cooking meth and getting into trouble with drug dealers. I think this is a template all shows should follow of going right for it in your pilot and then keep the momentum going. I can't stand shows like Mad Men for example which just take forEVER to get where they are going. Not saying Constantine is like this, but I do think it's pilot could have been a little more grabbing and intriguing to pull people in.
 
I feel like they played it safe a bit for the pilot and first couple of episodes.

They could of just gone straight to adapting some crazy awesome storyline from Hellblazer but perhaps the showrunners and network thought it would be safer to do the generic spooky monster of the week format as not to be 'too out there' for mainstream audiences.

The reason most Constantine fans have always favoured the idea of the character having a show on HBO or Showtime or Channel 4 is because they will go to the edgy risk taking places that the comics went and where a mainstream network show might not want to go.
 
"Constantine" (1.0/3 in 18-49, 3.3 million viewers overall from 10-11 p.m. ET) jumped +25% or 0.2 of a point week to week in adult 18-49 rating (from a 0.8 to a 1.0) and +4% in total viewers (3.295 million vs. 3.169 million), to capture its top 18-49 rating in three weeks, since Nov. 21 (1.1).


This week's "Constantine" retained 77% of its 18-49 lead-in from "Grimm," up from last week's 67% (0.8 vs. 1.2). Despite the 10 p.m. hour, last night's "Constantine" maintained 100% of its rating from half-hour to half-hour in adults, men and women 18-49 (1.0 to 1.0 in each demo) and adults, men and women 25-54 (1.2 to 1.2 in each demo).


"Constantine" will increase substantially in L+3 -- the week-ago "Constantine" grew by +83% going from L+SD to L+3 (from a 0.82 to a 1.50).

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...er-1-scripted-program-in-adults-18-49/339088/
 
There might be a lot of reasons why Constantine is currently not doing so well. My personal opinion? It's playing it too safe. Hellblazer's recipe for success has always been a certain boldness. It was balls to walls horror as well a deeply black humor. I'd say tone wise it should be a lot more like for example American Horror Story season 3. Constantine the show, is currently slowly getting better but that just doesn't cut it anymore. If you can't get your audience after the second episode you're in for a struggle. Constantine is done like TV shows were done in the early 2000. But that kind of patience has long left the market. As it is now, Constantine the TV series feels too much like Constantine the comic and not enough like Hellblazer and it suffers for it. I can see what they are trying to do. I know the storylines they are pulling from. The Brujeria, the Coming Darkness. I have read the Proto-Hellblazer stories in Swamp Thing but that's it, they are too vague a thing for most viewers the way they are established. If you want to see a better example of establishing an ark and foreshadowing things look at fellow DC property “The Flash”. The first episode shot it out of the park with the Reverse Flash foreshadowing, the Allan murder mystery and Dr. Well's secret. That was done really well and done in one episode, while Constantine meanders around with its storyline. All in all, I'm afraid Constantine is not going to make it past season one and that's really frustrating because it could be done so much better.
 
The first episode shot it out of the park with the Reverse Flash foreshadowing, the Allan murder mystery and Dr. Well's secret. That was done really well and done in one episode, while Constantine meanders around with its storyline. All in all, I'm afraid Constantine is not going to make it past season one and that's really frustrating because it could be done so much better.

Yes, but the Flash is a more popular character than Constantine, is more kid friendly, so more people will watch it no matter the quality. While Arrow has lower ratings than Constantine, the only reason it won't get cancelled is because the CW has lower expectations, 2+ million viewers is enough for them, while NBC expects much more from their shows.

Like it has been stated many times already, if Warner wants to keep Constantine going in case NBC doesn't, they have several options: Netflix, the CW, SyFy, etc.
 
There might be a lot of reasons why Constantine is currently not doing so well. My personal opinion? It's playing it too safe. Hellblazer's recipe for success has always been a certain boldness. It was balls to walls horror as well a deeply black humor. I'd say tone wise it should be a lot more like for example American Horror Story season 3. Constantine the show, is currently slowly getting better but that just doesn't cut it anymore. If you can't get your audience after the second episode you're in for a struggle. Constantine is done like TV shows were done in the early 2000. But that kind of patience has long left the market. As it is now, Constantine the TV series feels too much like Constantine the comic and not enough like Hellblazer and it suffers for it. I can see what they are trying to do. I know the storylines they are pulling from. The Brujeria, the Coming Darkness. I have read the Proto-Hellblazer stories in Swamp Thing but that's it, they are too vague a thing for most viewers the way they are established. If you want to see a better example of establishing an ark and foreshadowing things look at fellow DC property “The Flash”. The first episode shot it out of the park with the Reverse Flash foreshadowing, the Allan murder mystery and Dr. Well's secret. That was done really well and done in one episode, while Constantine meanders around with its storyline. All in all, I'm afraid Constantine is not going to make it past season one and that's really frustrating because it could be done so much better.

I totally agree man. In this day and age you absolutely have to find a hook that will make the audience want to see the next episode/ chapter of the overall story. Eventhough The Flash has a lot of procedural elements to it it still has an overarching story and mystery that keeps you curious and wanting to tune in to see the next piece of the puzzle. Constantine should've established that in the pilot episode.
 
I totally agree man. In this day and age you absolutely have to find a hook that will make the audience want to see the next episode/ chapter of the overall story. Eventhough The Flash has a lot of procedural elements to it it still has an overarching story and mystery that keeps you curious and wanting to tune in to see the next piece of the puzzle. Constantine should've established that in the pilot episode.

Not necessarily, Arrow's pilot was ok, but didn't have a big mystery. Again, Constantine has more viewers than Arrow, Supernatural and most CW shows, but NBC wants more despite the show's Friday night death slot. Is not fair, but it is what it is.
 
"Constantine" (1.0/3 in 18-49, 3.3 million viewers overall from 10-11 p.m. ET) jumped +25% or 0.2 of a point week to week in adult 18-49 rating (from a 0.8 to a 1.0) and +4% in total viewers (3.295 million vs. 3.169 million), to capture its top 18-49 rating in three weeks, since Nov. 21 (1.1).


This week's "Constantine" retained 77% of its 18-49 lead-in from "Grimm," up from last week's 67% (0.8 vs. 1.2). Despite the 10 p.m. hour, last night's "Constantine" maintained 100% of its rating from half-hour to half-hour in adults, men and women 18-49 (1.0 to 1.0 in each demo) and adults, men and women 25-54 (1.2 to 1.2 in each demo).


"Constantine" will increase substantially in L+3 -- the week-ago "Constantine" grew by +83% going from L+SD to L+3 (from a 0.82 to a 1.50).

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...er-1-scripted-program-in-adults-18-49/339088/

Not bad. This show is finally hitting its stride now, but it's yet to be either the original Hellblazer version or the New 52 one either. If this show does get cancelled please, please, please let Jim Corrigan's Spectre eat him without a second thought.
 
They are going to show 13 episodes now, even though the production team has done 15 episodes...right ?
 
Not necessarily, Arrow's pilot was ok, but didn't have a big mystery...

I disagree, Arrow had established a very compelling mystery in episode one. The whole "what happened on the island" thing. In fact I have heard from multiple viewers that the island storyline was the reason they kept watching the show.
 
Not bad. This show is finally hitting its stride now, but it's yet to be either the original Hellblazer version or the New 52 one either. If this show does get cancelled please, please, please let Jim Corrigan's Spectre eat him without a second thought.

More towards the former than the latter
 

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