Constantine General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[michael1975]

It's not really that simple. Constantine doesn't skew as young as other CW shows. Furthermore, it's TOO MUCH like Supernatural. Putting it on the CW on the same night as Supernatural would be overkill. You don't put two shows THAT similar on the same night together. That's why The Flash and Arrow are on different nights.

You realize you just contradicted you're self. On one hand you're saying that CW shows are skewed for younger audience. Supernatural isn't skewed towards a younger audience there people of all different ages who watch it.

I'll give you this that I don't disagree that it shouldn't be on at the same time as Supernatural. However it should most certainly have been on the CW. The show is all ready in danger of being cancelled and there only three episodes in and that is a fact. It will be lucky if it see an entire season.

 

[The Question]

You realize you just contradicted you're self. On one hand you're saying that CW shows are skewed for younger audience. Supernatural isn't skewed towards a younger audience there people of all different ages who watch it.

I'll give you this that I don't disagree that it shouldn't be on at the same time as Supernatural. However it should most certainly have been on the CW. The show is all ready in danger of being cancelled and there only three episodes in and that is a fact. It will be lucky if it see an entire season.

1: Supernatural may have been lucky to garner a diverse fan base, but it started out marketing to the high school female demographic and still banks on them pretty heavily for a strong viewership base.

2: It's still far too similar to Supernatural to do well on the same network. Like, Erick Kripke readily admits that Supernatural is heavily inspired by Hellblazer (for example, the Colt is a pretty blatant reference to the Ace of Winchesters, and Castiel's costuming has always been an intentional reference to Constantine himself), and Constantine's show has adopted a few of the things that set Supernatural apart from it's Virtigo comics inspiration (the American setting, the apocalypse storyline, the ongoing relationship with a cryptic guardian angel, and the huge underground magical base are all things that weren't in the Hellblazer comics and are in Supernatural).

 

[michael1975]

1: Supernatural may have been lucky to garner a diverse fan base, but it started out marketing to the high school female demographic and still banks on them pretty heavily for a strong viewership base.

2: It's still far too similar to Supernatural to do well on the same network. Like, Erick Kripke readily admits that Supernatural is heavily inspired by Hellblazer (for example, the Cold is a pretty blatant reference to the Ace of Winchesters, and Castiel's costuming has always been an intentional reference to Constantine himself), and Constantine's show has adopted a few of the things that set Supernatural apart from it's Virtigo comics inspiration (the American setting, the apocalypse storyline, the ongoing relationship with a cryptic guardian angel, and the huge underground magical base are all things that weren't in the Hellblazer comics and are in Supernatural).

Maybe you're right about Supernatural. However there one slight thing you're over looking and that is that Supernatural is on it's way out the door. It has maybe one or two seasons before it's done. Constantine could easily step in an fill that slot. Maybe you're right that Supernatural started off as a show for younger audience. However it expanded beyond that audience and is viewed by audience of all different age groups. This just proves that Constantine would do well on CW.

As for argument that they are so similar. What you're saying make sense till you actually look at a lot of the shows on CW that are similar. Half the shows on that network have shows that are similar to one another. Want a good example of this you only have to look at The Flash and Arrow. Yet both shows are getting great ratings and are thriving.

Now considering Constantine is only three episodes in and is all ready in danger of being cancelled who cares if it to similar to Supernatural. Constantine would find it's own path and it has the comic books to draw from. There are just enough differences not only in the writing but in the style and feel of the show to not be to similar.

In short I'd rather it be on CW where it will get the ratings and stay on the air for more then a season and it seem similar to Supernatural.

Now as a fan of Supernatural and having watched the show from season one I'll give you my opinion on how similar they are. There not similar to one another. Yes they have things in common but not enough to make it seem like one is copy the other. I mean really listen to what you're saying. How many networks have two or three cop shows that come on the same network and one could argue they are to similar to one another to work and yet they do.

Again better to have it on a network where it similar to another show. At least it will get the ratings it needs to stay on the air. The only people that will loose out are the cast and crew and the fans. The networks won't care cause they will just find another show to replace it.

 

[S. Grundy]

1: Supernatural may have been lucky to garner a diverse fan base, but it started out marketing to the high school female demographic and still banks on them pretty heavily for a strong viewership base.

2: It's still far too similar to Supernatural to do well on the same network. Like, Erick Kripke readily admits that Supernatural is heavily inspired by Hellblazer (for example, the Colt is a pretty blatant reference to the Ace of Winchesters, and Castiel's costuming has always been an intentional reference to Constantine himself), and Constantine's show has adopted a few of the things that set Supernatural apart from it's Virtigo comics inspiration (the American setting, the apocalypse storyline, the ongoing relationship with a cryptic guardian angel, and the huge underground magical base are all things that weren't in the Hellblazer comics and are in Supernatural).

I wouldn't say heavily influenced, that's Neil Gaiman and Sandman. But yeah, he cribbed Hellblazer and Preacher, but they weren't as big as the Gaiman influence.

 

[Jason Kane]

I wouldn't say heavily influenced, that's Neil Gaiman and Sandman. But yeah, he cribbed Hellblazer and Preacher, but they weren't as big as the Gaiman influence.

Only bits and pieces were nicked. After S5 it became biblical Angel & Demons bound.

The only other bit both having in common is oversusing their villian. For Hellblazer, it's FOTF circa Jenkins; for SPN since S6 to now, Crowley

 

[famicommander]

No adjustment for Friday's rating:
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...djustment-for-cristela-or-constantine/325510/

1.0, 3.14 million viewers, last place among non-repeat scripted shows for the night

 

[Jason Kane]

Advanced review for this week's episode:

http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/11/constantine-feast-of-friends-advance.html

 

[Sawyer]

Premiere Grows by 80% in Live+7

Now, I'm sure some annoying, pissed-off little nerd is going to come along and routinely say that this doesn't mean anything, but it's far from bad news.

 

[famicommander]

Premihttp://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/11/10/constantine-debut-grows-by-80-in-live-7-results-including-a-27-jump-via-alternate-platforms/325746/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumbers%29ere Grows by 80% in Live+7

Now, I'm sure some annoying, pissed-off little nerd is going to come along and routinely say that this doesn't mean anything, but it's far from bad news.

A bit sensitive today, no? It's nice to know you're thinking about me, and that you still can't do anything except regurgitate PR spin from corporate press releases.

Do you not see what they did in that link?

When have you ever seen someone cite "L+7 including alternate platforms" for their ratings?

The standard L+7 ratings, which are again not very important, are not good enough. So they expanded the range of numbers they're including in their press release.

Like I've said repeatedly, if this show doesn't start popping 1.2s in the L+SD ratings we're headed for a cancellation as soon as Hannibal is ready.

Again, these L+7 numbers are right in line with Dracula's average increase... and what happened to that show again?

No amount of wishful thinking will change the fate of this show. No matter how many "positives" you can post here, if the L+SD ratings don't climb we're done.

 

[HighFivingMF]

 

[Jason Kane]

Premiere Grows by 80% in Live+7

Now, I'm sure some annoying, pissed-off little nerd is going to come along and routinely say that this doesn't mean anything, but it's far from bad news.

He's just stuck in 2003.

And another thing: **** Dracula!

 

[The Question]

Dracula was a significantly worse show than Constantine. Constantine's main sin (besides the weird racism in episode 2) is that it's a little watered down compared to the comics, but that's something that often improves over the course of a first season.

 

[Jason Kane]

Dracula was a significantly worse show than Constantine. Constantine's main sin (besides the weird racism in episode 2) is that it's a little watered down compared to the comics, but that's something that often improves over the course of a first season.

It's no more in the same caliber as the Delano era (and John's early Swamp Thing appearances) though in its own right which can't really be said for the New 52 title that's losing readers faster than the slow decline between Azzarello to Milligan

Most of us continue to forget that with all the memorable stuff from that period like Newcastle, The Devil You Know, Family Man and the Magus stuff wasn't gory or explicit. It was very understated; moreso that compared to Ennis, Jenkins (albeit almost close to Delano. Almost), Ellis, and the rest.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I'm really digging the show so far. And for anyone to claim Live + 7 and alternate means of viewership doesn't mean anything is pretty f***ing funny. This is 2014 almost 2015. Folks don't base their schedules around shows they watch anymore, they watch them on their time. Many folks are cutting the cable cord all together. Granted I don't have a ton of faith for NBC to allow this show to snowball and keep picking up viewers as the seasons progress but maybe they will surprise me. I hope it keeps on trucking

 

[Mad Love]

I think Constantine is still trying to find the right footing. The direction is off. They don't play up the eeriness of the occult enough or push out character quirks. They should get directors from True Blood.

 

[Jason Kane]

I think Constantine is still trying to find the right footing. The direction is off. They don't play up the eeriness of the occult enough or push out character quirks. They should get directors from True Blood.

Only on the condition that Brad Buckner is not to come within 700 yrds

 

[Jason Kane]

I'm really digging the show so far. And for anyone to claim Live + 7 and alternate means of viewership doesn't mean anything is pretty f***ing funny. This is 2014 almost 2015. Folks don't base their schedules around shows they watch anymore, they watch them on their time. Many folks are cutting the cable cord all together. Granted I don't have a ton of faith for NBC to allow this show to snowball and keep picking up viewers as the seasons progress but maybe they will surprise me. I hope it keeps on trucking

Speaking of Live+7 and Alt platforms, I looked at TVBTN's ratings entries on Dracula and the biggest difference between it and Constantine's own ratings situation is the former never had the Alt. Platform (namely via Amazon, Hulu and the like) pull let alone had the L+7 factor in the grand scheme of things compared to right now.

Same could more or less be said regarding other dramas and shows from last season and the current

 

[famicommander]

I'm really digging the show so far. And for anyone to claim Live + 7 and alternate means of viewership doesn't mean anything is pretty f***ing funny. This is 2014 almost 2015. Folks don't base their schedules around shows they watch anymore, they watch them on their time. Many folks are cutting the cable cord all together. Granted I don't have a ton of faith for NBC to allow this show to snowball and keep picking up viewers as the seasons progress but maybe they will surprise me. I hope it keeps on trucking

The money hasn't caught up with these changes yet. I did not say the alternate platforms don't matter in the absolute sense, I said that they will not factor much into whether NBC will cancel the show or not. That still comes down mostly to the C ratings, which aren't released publicly, but the L+SD are usually the best indicator of those ratings. Those are the numbers than dictate where most of the advertising money comes from, and those are what the networks care most about.

The viewership numbers for alternate platforms are not detailed enough yet. They don't have demographic numbers, they don't know how many people are watching each stream. When the metering for these platforms gets more advanced advertisers will start caring more, and the numbers will matter more.

For the twentieth time, DVR/OnDemand/streaming/etc numbers are never a bad thing, but they will not save a show on a major network (CW is a bit different) that gets poor L+SD ratings.

Oh look, the new renew cancel index at TV by the Numbers is up. Guess what they say about Constantine?
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...ons-marry-me-is-likely-to-be-canceled/324188/

What are all you delusional fanboys going to say when this show DOES get the axe? What if you're wrong? Because if I'm wrong, and it does get renewed, I'll be turning cartwheels. I'm just more able to see past PR spin and wishful thinking.

 

[Jason Kane]

Episode 6 is titled "Rage of Caliban"

 

[The Question]

It's no more in the same caliber as the Delano era (and John's early Swamp Thing appearances) though in its own right which can't really be said for the New 52 title that's losing readers faster than the slow decline between Azzarello to Milligan

Most of us continue to forget that with all the memorable stuff from that period like Newcastle, The Devil You Know, Family Man and the Magus stuff wasn't gory or explicit. It was very understated; moreso that compared to Ennis, Jenkins (albeit almost close to Delano. Almost), Ellis, and the rest.

Gore has never been a factor in my opinion.

 

[Jason Kane]

Futher Episodes News (via twitter)

Regarding the Chas centered episode 10:

*We learn about Chas' "survival skills" (as noted)
*His family (meaning Renee, Geraldine and maybe Tricia) will be included with Renee as his ex-wife

Constantine TV Show ‏@HellblazerTV 22m22 minutes ago

Scoop: Dr. Terrance Thirteen is involved in the draft for #Constantine Episode 16. There are also plans for Felix Faust!

 

[Sawyer]

 

[Jason Kane]

I nearly did a double take when I saw Dr. Thirteen and Faust come up

 

[Jason Kane]

Two of several promo pics for Danse Vaudou:

(Scanlon on the left as Corrigan)

Yes, it is Cedella (his sister) he's speaking to.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Is Corrigan's suit green? If so, that's awesome.