Constantine General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[Guts]

If this show does go onto a different channel, then I would be alright if it was channel 4. The only show I seen on there is Misfits and I think Constantine would work really well on there.

 

[Verick808]

Last nights episode was great. a lot better than a lot of stuff on television. A weak pilot combined with airing its second episode on a holiday just really hurt the show in a way that you can't typically expect a show to recover from. And no, I don't think Constantine would thrive on the CW. It would end up like Supernatural minus the Winchesters and the Winchesters are the only thing still good in that show.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Great episode last night.

 

[Jason Kane]

If this show does go onto a different channel, then I would be alright if it was channel 4. The only show I seen on there is Misfits and I think Constantine would work really well on there.

Or BBCAmerica

 

[Mikelus]

Doesn't work like that. Two different networks, two different production teams ;Arrow/Flash are in Berlanti/Kreisberg/Guggenheim's jurisdiction and Constantine's in Goyer and Cerone's. Plus two different ideas and not many viewers and diehard fans of the magus want things to be like the New 52

Thank you Captain Obvious!



If the CW and NBC want it to happen, it will.

Constantine can fit in the CW and succeed, Arrow has less than 3 million viewers and Supernatural around 2 million. If for some reason the CW is not interested, then Netflix would be another good option for the show, among other alternatives already mentioned.

 

[Mr_336]

Thank you Captain Obvious!



If the CW and NBC want it to happen, it will.

Constantine can fit in the CW and succeed, Arrow has less than 3 million viewers and Supernatural around 2 million. If for some reason the CW is not interested, then Netflix would be another good option for the show, among other alternatives already mentioned.

Simmer down, first mate hard-head. It wasn't like he was biting your head off

 

[Jason Kane]

Courtesy of The Futon Critic

· "Constantine" (0.8/3 in 18-49, 3.4 million viewers overall from 10-11 p.m. ET) achieved a three-week high in total viewers (best since the series debut on Oct. 24 averaged 4.3 million), up week to week by +9% (3.438 million vs. 3.141 million).

· In adults 18-34 (0.5) and adults 25-54 (1.2), "Constantine" maintained 100% of the prior week's rating.

· "Constantine" will add substantial audience via time-shifting, increasing last week by +65% when L+3 time-shifted viewing was added to this next-day L+SD rating (from a 0.98 to a 1.62). Counting all L+7 time-shifting plus alternate platforms, the "Constantine" premiere on Oct. 24 grew by +80% versus these next-day L+SD results (to a 2.50 in Alternate Platform L+7 from a 1.39 in L+SD). Alternate platform growth alone accounted for 0.38 of a rating point, a +27% increase on the L+SD rating.



Last week's L+3 Results:

· "Dateline NBC" grew by +15% in 18-49 (from a 1.39 to a 1.60) and 707,000 viewers overall (7.9 million to 8.6 million) going from L+SD to L+3.

· "Grimm" increased by +68% in 18-49 (from a 1.31 to a 2.20) and 2.4 million viewers overall (4.9 million to 7.3 million).

· "Constantine" grew by +65% in 18-49 (from a 0.98 to a 1.62) and more than 1.5 million viewers overall (3.1 million vs. 4.7 million) going from L+SD to L+3.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings/2014/11/15/dateline-nbc-reports-the-networks-highest-18-49-rating-in-its-hour-in-eight-months-627013/20141115nbc01/

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Hannibal has ratings issues too, but NBC keeps that show going.

 

[squeekness]

Sorry, but I think Hannibal is better than this. It just doesn't have that same dynamic that you have with Lector vrs Graham.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Hannibal is better, but Constantine is better than its comic book counterparts Arrow and The Flash and its genre counterparts Sleepy Hollow and Supernatural

 

[squeekness]

Hannibal is better, but Constantine is better than its comic book counterparts Arrow and The Flash and its genre counterparts Sleepy Hollow and Supernatural

I'll take your word for it because I don't watch those other shows. I watch too many as it is. I guess I wish this had a harder edge to it or something. It just isn't as good as it could be if it was on FX or HBO or something.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Constantine would work better on HBO, but thats never gonna happen. The show is good enough where its at to justify continuing.

 

[KillerWolf]

Hannibal is better, but Constantine is better than its comic book counterparts Arrow and The Flash and its genre counterparts Sleepy Hollow and Supernatural

I wouldn't say that, as a horror series, it's better than Supernatural. Not the series' first five seasons anyway. Nowadays, almost everything is better than Supernatural.

But Constantine finally begins to show its potential and I really hope they'll let this series grow.

And this:

Constantine would work better on HBO, but thats never gonna happen. The show is good enough where its at to justify continuing.

Definitely!

 

[Jason Kane]

Constantine would work better on HBO, but thats never gonna happen. The show is good enough where its at to justify continuing.

Not to mention all comic adaptations as original programming are beneath them (or at least to their current network President feels). So much for them being team players under Time Warner's umbrella

 

[famicommander]

Hannibal is better, but Constantine is better than its comic book counterparts Arrow and The Flash and its genre counterparts Sleepy Hollow and Supernatural

I don't watch Sleepy Hollow or Supernatural, so no comment there.

I'd say the first two episodes of Constantine were worse than an average Arrow episode, and the second two are much better than average Arrow. The acting on Constantine is certainly way better than Arrow.

I think Constantine is miles better than Gotham or season one of SHIELD, but in my book Flash is easily the best comic book show (DC/Marvel, anyway). It knew what it wanted to be from the word go and has not looked back.

It'll be interesting to see how stuff like iZombie, Preacher, or Supergirl do. A lot of DC/Vertigo love lately.

 

[Jason Kane]

I'll take your word for it because I don't watch those other shows. I watch too many as it is. I guess I wish this had a harder edge to it or something. It just isn't as good as it could be if it was on FX or HBO or something.

FX would be grand. Especially to have it come immediately after AHS ends a season

 

[KillerWolf]

I don't watch Sleepy Hollow or Supernatural, so no comment there.

I'd say the first two episodes of Constantine were worse than an average Arrow episode, and the second two are much better than average Arrow. The acting on Constantine is certainly way better than Arrow.

I think Constantine is miles better than Gotham or season one of SHIELD, but in my book Flash is easily the best comic book show (DC/Marvel, anyway). It knew what it wanted to be from the word go and has not looked back.

It'll be interesting to see how stuff like iZombie, Preacher, or Supergirl do. A lot of DC/Vertigo love lately.

As a show Supernatural was much more immersive than Constantine is right now. It had a much stronger drama and better executed moments of horror.

But, the fact that Constantine had a bit of a rocky start doesn't mean it won't get there. Episode 4 really showed a promise in both of those aspects.

 

[squeekness]

As a show Supernatural was much more immersive than Constantine is right now. It had a much stronger drama and better executed moments of horror.

But, the fact that Constantine had a bit of a rocky start doesn't mean it won't get there. Episode 4 really showed a promise in both of those aspects.

Yeah, four episodes in isn't really enough to gives us enough depth just yet. Even though I wish the show was better or darker, it's not so bad as to give up on it. I am hoping it will getter in time.

 

[famicommander]

I think each episode has improved upon the last. That's going to be tough to continue, but I'll be happy as long as it levels off in quality rather than dropping.

 

[KillerWolf]

Yeah, four episodes in isn't really enough to gives us enough depth just yet. Even though I wish the show was better or darker, it's not so bad as to give up on it. I am hoping it will getter in time.

Indeed. Also, though I absolutely love Matt Ryan in this role, I think that producers have made him a bit too likable. Constantine should become likable despite the fact that he can be a complete selfish bastard, instead of being a tortured heroish character. So far it seems as producers are afraid to go there with the character.

For example, I was thrilled in episode 4 when [BLACKOUT]it seemed like he manipulated Gary into getting sacrificed, but then they immediately followed that with Gary being overjoyed by the fact that he'll get to redeem himself which suddenly killed what would otherwise be a great moment of Constantine being a ruthless bastard. [/BLACKOUT]

Though Zed later accused Constantine of manipulating him, it didn't have the gravitas it should. It seemed too much like John was actually simply presenting him an opportunity to redeem.

I think each episode has improved upon the last. That's going to be tough to continue, but I'll be happy as long as it levels off in quality rather than dropping.

This!

 

[Jason Kane]

I don't watch Sleepy Hollow or Supernatural, so no comment there.

I'd say the first two episodes of Constantine were worse than an average Arrow episode, and the second two are much better than average Arrow. The acting on Constantine is certainly way better than Arrow.

I think Constantine is miles better than Gotham or season one of SHIELD, but in my book Flash is easily the best comic book show (DC/Marvel, anyway). It knew what it wanted to be from the word go and has not looked back.

It'll be interesting to see how stuff like iZombie, Preacher, or Supergirl do. A lot of DC/Vertigo love lately.

That one may be facing an even bigger upheave battle having strayed too much from the comic (and changing the lead character's name from Gwen Dylan to Liv Moore) to where some are calling the TV premise a Tru Calling knock-off but with a Zombie theme.

 

[antonydelfini]

Indeed. Also, though I absolutely love Matt Ryan in this role, I think that producers have made him a bit too likable. Constantine should become likable despite the fact that he can be a complete selfish bastard, instead of being a tortured heroish character. So far it seems as producers are afraid to go there with the character.

For example, I was thrilled in episode 4 when [BLACKOUT]it seemed like he manipulated Gary into getting sacrificed, but then they immediately followed that with Gary being overjoyed by the fact that he'll get to redeem himself which suddenly killed what would otherwise be a great moment of Constantine being a ruthless bastard. [/BLACKOUT]

Though Zed later accused Constantine of manipulating him, it didn't have the gravitas it should. It seemed too much like John was actually simply presenting him an opportunity to redeem.



This!

Yeah in Hellblazer 1-2, Gary hated the fact that JC is sacrificing him without his consent. Like I said in my post in another thread, the showrunners and writers cannot be afraid to show John how much of a bastard he can be. Episode 4 showed promise, but they have to be even darker and edgier for the next episodes.

 

[famicommander]

I actually think iZombie will be fine, for the following reasons:
1. Rob Thomas is involved. He has been a successful showrunner in the past and has a fanbase.

2. The original comic was not hugely popular in the first place, so there's probably not going to be any backlash from the creative licenses they take.

3. It's a DC/Vertigo franchise, owned by parent company Warner. Warner co-owns the CW, so there don't figure to be any license fees and they will be patient and give it every chance they can.

4. Other scripted shows on the CW are not doing particularly well. Jane the Virgin, Reign, and the 100 are struggling pretty badly and The Originals isn't setting the world on fire either. Flash is by far the highest rated show on the network, and Arrow, TVD, and Supernatural are at least consistent.

5. It's a spring season show, meaning expectations will be lower.

It would help even more if it were in-universe with Flash and Arrow. So far there is no indication that is the case, and there's probably no story reason to do it, but it probably would help the ratings.

It also probably depends on how the other spring CW shows do, but I think as long as iZombie can stay above a 0.5 it will be safe.

 

[KillerWolf]

Yeah in Hellblazer 1-2, Gary hated the fact that JC is sacrificing him without his consent. Like I said in my post in another thread, the showrunners and writers cannot be afraid to show John how much of a bastard he can be. Episode 4 showed promise, but they have to be even darker and edgier for the next episodes.

Definitely. They need to have more balls for this show to work.

I like your avatar by the way, it's basically a live action version of mine. t:

 

[Rowsdower!]

I really hope this show makes it. I understand that the episodes have been pretty formulaic so far and I hope that the larger story begins to take shape soon. But Matt Ryan is so damned good as Constantine that I'm willing to overlook the show's other flaws. And diehard fans of the comic really need to lighten up a little bit; the last episode was a pretty solid adaptation of Hunger/A Feast of Friends from the comics. Yeah, they changed some stuff, but that's par for the course with comic book adaptations. It still kept a lot of the core stuff.

Oh, and as for the Supernatural comparisons... Matt Ryan is a better actor than every actor on that show COMBINED.