Constantine General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[Lilbaz]

Yeah, even Daniel Cerone said NBC seems to be fully behind this show.

They'll be fully behind it right up to the point where they cancel it. (I hope they don't).

 

[Jason Kane]

They'll be fully behind it right up to the point where they cancel it. (I hope they don't).

As long as the ratings keep increasing, it won't be. Even on Black Friday, it still managed to get 3.3 Million. With Thanksgiving. Hopefully the next 7 episode will increase further to where the renewal can get the greenlight.

That and the network should move it to Thursday.

 

[famicommander]

There are only two episodes before the midseason break. Like almost every show ever, Constantine will drop when it returns in the spring as compared to the fall.

And "keep increasing" is a pretty strange way to put it. It has gone:
1.4->0.9->1.0->0.8->1.1->0.9

It has not increased in any two consecutive weeks.

Expecting it to go up in the spring is just setting yourself up for massive disappointment. Even the more successful comic shows like Gotham, Flash, SHIELD, and Arrow will see significant drops after they return from the midseason break.

 

[famicommander]

Just because it did doesn't mean cancelled. NBC will hand in its decision in January

How many fall-debut network TV shows, in all of history, had production shut down and planned episodes shelved (remember, NBC ordered back up scripts past the initial 13 before the show even aired), then managed to get renewed?

I'll give you a hint: none. Ever. Only shows that were intended/announced to be a short order in the first place (ala Sleepy Hollow) have returned after not getting a back nine order in the fall.

And please, don't bring up spring shows like Hannibal. The circumstances for spring shows are entirely different and continuing to mention them in this context just shows your lack of knowledge on how TV renewals/cancellations work.

 

[Jason Kane]

No.... not even going to entertain the view post. Not even worth it. Thank god for ignore lists

 

[famicommander]

Nothing I said is out of line, at all. In fact, it's all true. No show in the circumstances Constantine finds itself in presently has been renewed. EVER.

You're like a sailor with a huge hole in his boat, yelling at the crew that just because the ship is taking on water faster than you can bail doesn't mean the ship will sink.

 

[Fallen Angel]

You must be a Supernatural fan.

 

[famicommander]

I've never even seen an episode, actually.

The only things I watch on TV are Flash, Arrow, Constantine, sports, and cartoons. Well, and a few odd shows here and there like Mythbusters.

 

[Jason Kane]

You must be a Supernatural fan.

You noticed, too?

 

[famicommander]

I think it's pretty hilarious how far you guys will go to avoid actually confronting an argument.

If you see something wrong with my reasoning, by all means point it out. I'd be glad to reexamine my own thought process and clarify or concede or double down on my arguments. But all you seem to be able to do is tell me to shut up, make incorrect assumptions about imaginary ulterior motives, and ignore points inconvenient to your delusional position.

 

[Vincanws]

I think NBC knows what it bought and recognises its never going to achieve mass audiences. It's too dark and violent and gory. And it goes out at 10pm, and there is a specific audience that want this sort of show at this time. None of us really knows what NBC's expectations are, so we shouldn't just treat it the same as any other show because few shows are quite like what this one is going for.

I personally think they'll go with a second season and that their expectations are lower than for other shows. If NBC are really behind it then they'll make the second season and then 'hopefully' by word of mouth and decent episodes and reviews the viewers will start to increase more obviously. I feel the show has a lot of potential, I can't think of any other before it that really has this sort of concept going outside of maybe X Files, which dealt with paranormal activity in broader sense but that show was a monster hit none the less.

 

[Jason Kane]

I think NBC knows what it bought and recognises its never going to achieve mass audiences. It's too dark and violent and gory. And it goes out at 10pm, and there is a specific audience that want this sort of show at this time. None of us really knows what NBC's expectations are, so we shouldn't just treat it the same as any other show because few shows are quite like what this one is going for.

I personally think they'll go with a second season and that their expectations are lower than for other shows. If NBC are really behind it then they'll make the second season and then 'hopefully' by word of mouth and decent episodes and reviews the viewers will start to increase more obviously. I feel the show has a lot of potential, I can't think of any other before it that really has this sort of concept going outside of maybe X Files, which dealt with paranormal activity in broader sense but that show was a monster hit none the less.

Bless this post

 

[KillerWolf]

How many fall-debut network TV shows, in all of history, had production shut down and planned episodes shelved (remember, NBC ordered back up scripts past the initial 13 before the show even aired), then managed to get renewed?

I'll give you a hint: none. Ever. Only shows that were intended/announced to be a short order in the first place (ala Sleepy Hollow) have returned after not getting a back nine order in the fall.

And please, don't bring up spring shows like Hannibal. The circumstances for spring shows are entirely different and continuing to mention them in this context just shows your lack of knowledge on how TV renewals/cancellations work.

It's interesting how producers of the show don't know this and do not come to the same conclusion. Apparently, people at NBC don't know about their own policy of not renewing the show after cutting several episodes either or they would announce that the show is canceled.

You should call them and tell them how things work. Hell, they'll probably give you a job, which is something we'll all benefit from, as you'll be too busy to come here and annoy people in that case.

 

[Jason Kane]

It's interesting how producers of the show don't know this and do not come to the same conclusion. Apparently, people at NBC don't know about their own policy of not renewing the show after cutting several episodes either or they would announce that the show is canceled.

You should call them and tell them how things work. Hell, they'll probably give you a job, which is something we'll all benefit from, as you'll be too busy to come here and annoy people in that case.

Annnnd boom goes the dynamite.

 

[Lilbaz]

You must be a Supernatural fan.

What would that have to do with anything? I like supernatural, it doesn't mean I don't like Constantine or want it to succeed. In fact the opposite.

Just because you don't like what someone is saying doesn't make their point invalid or mean that they have an ulterior motive.

 

[Lilbaz]

I think NBC knows what it bought and recognises its never going to achieve mass audiences. It's too dark and violent and gory. And it goes out at 10pm, and there is a specific audience that want this sort of show at this time. None of us really knows what NBC's expectations are, so we shouldn't just treat it the same as any other show because few shows are quite like what this one is going for.

I personally think they'll go with a second season and that their expectations are lower than for other shows. If NBC are really behind it then they'll make the second season and then 'hopefully' by word of mouth and decent episodes and reviews the viewers will start to increase more obviously. I feel the show has a lot of potential, I can't think of any other before it that really has this sort of concept going outside of maybe X Files, which dealt with paranormal activity in broader sense but that show was a monster hit none the less.

Dresden Files.

 

[Jason Kane]

Dresden Files.

Even that endured too many aterations and got cancelled (i.e. Bob in human form, whitewashing Susan, etc.) and I say this as someone who saw the show then started reading the comic adaptations of the novels and the original minis from Dynamite

 

[KillerWolf]

Annnnd boom goes the dynamite.

Someone had to bite the bait I guess.

Don't worry though, I won't turn this into a long and tedious debate.

 

[Jason Kane]

Daniel Cerone ‏@DanielVCerone 1h1 hour ago Los Angeles, CA

NBC so enthusiastic about eps 7-9 of #Constantine they're sending all 3 out to reviewers this week. #Hellblazers #SaveConstantine

So much for NBC being unsupportive

 

[Guts]

From Today's Thanksgiving Parade:

Not to sound weird, but now I totally ship them in real life.

 

[Jason Kane]

Goyer on the current situation:

“It’s not dead, at all, it’s solidly in contention for a second season of NBC, which is still supporting it,” he said. “Constantine got caught in the midst of a change that is happening at the networks. It gets big numbers on DVR and online views, but it is sort of a tweener that doesn’t fit the traditional viewing box at the big networks. It’s not State of Affairs, it’s just not that kind of show, but NBC likes it. It’s frustrating what happened because creatively we’ve really started to hit our stride and people are responding to that. If I were a betting man, I would say there’s an excellent chance for a second season.”

http://hellblazertv.com/david-s-goyer-talks-about-the-constantine-situation/

 

[TheVileOne]

I thought this is why you were done with network TV David Goyer!

 

[Jason Kane]

I thought this is why you were done with network TV David Goyer!

You missed the Krypton news?

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

TVbytheNumbers are claiming that Constantine is definitely cancelled, despite all reports to the contrary:

Constantine has been canceled. NBC opted to not pick up the back 9 episode order for the rookie drama. In recent memory, every Fall premiere rookie show intended for a full season that was ended after 13 or fewer episodes (in a non WGA strike season) was canceled. Against that reality, the PR Jedi at Warner Brothers have mounted an impressive (most impressive) mind tricks campaign that has maintained the delusions of many of Constantine's desperate fans in their internet echo chamber.
Here's a sample of the mind tricks in the Constantine fan echo chamber:

• "It has the full support of the network!" - Like all shows still on the air, always.
• "It's still in production!" - Canceled rookie shows typically produce their entire 13 episode orders. This season, only Selfie & Manhattan Love Story won't produce 13 episodes.
• "The stars were in the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade!" - Show promotion continues until ads are no longer being sold.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...-brothers-mind-tricks-to-the-contrary/333558/

They certainly make valid points, but boy will they have egg on their face if NBC go for a last minute renewal.

 

[Jason Kane]

TVbytheNumbers are claiming that Constantine is definitely cancelled, despite all reports to the contrary:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...-brothers-mind-tricks-to-the-contrary/333558/

They certainly make valid points, but boy will they have egg on their face if NBC go for a last minute renewal.

The Futon Critic and Deadline>>>>>>TVBTN