Cops on stakeout see 12-year-old kid running with a toy gun, and shoot him dead

[Matt]

And how do you know the cop is question isn't one of them? You seem to be quick to defend, why aren't you analyzing it thoroughly?

I am. You aren't. You are making all kinds of assumptions based on your personal perspective

 

[Kritish]

Let's not forget this--

http://www.courttv.com/news/2003/0411/tulia_10questions_ctv.html

and the Rodney King incident.

Are you kidding me? The cops overreacted but King was hardly an innocent victim.


King was on parole for a robbery conviction. On March 3, 1991, he led police on a high speed pursuit. In an interview, King later said that he did not pull over as he feared being returned to prison. After driving through several red lights and stop signs, he pulled over in the Lake View Terrace district. The incident, minus the first few minutes after King stopped, was captured on video by a private citizen, George Holliday, from his apartment. King had a record for drunk-driving, and the officers involved testified that they believed him to be under the influence of the dissociative phencyclidine (PCP). The defendants also alleged that he resisted arrest and continued to resist even after being tasered, tackled, and struck with batons, although the video does not show this. He also attempted to grab the weapon of one officer at the scene at the start of the altercation, before Holliday began recording. He also attacked the officers before Holliday turned on his video recorder. The video became an international media sensation and a touchstone for activists in Los Angeles and around the USA.

 

[twylight]

Hey! Boys! Can you say 'off-topic' much?

And let's not forget the unarmed hispanic man, who was in the Army reserve, getting shot point blank range in the face and chest area, but a thundering obese black man.

Sounds like my town. *L*

 

[Sloth7d]

Possibly. Or it could just not be standard policy to release evidence during an on going investigation.



They did. They told the kid to stop, he did not.

They couldn't release a picture of it?

And the second part is alledgedly. I really doubt a 12 year old is going to point a toy gun at officers, especially after recieving a warning. Come on, that's even less believable than a conspiracy unless this child is autistic.

 

[TBadora]

Matt, if you would have watched the video's you would have known that the cop in the second video lied in court, unaware that the cameras were watching. He still got away with murder!

 

[TBadora]

I am. You aren't. You are making all kinds of assumptions based on your personal perspective

My dads a cop, my best friend is a cop, and my cousin is a cop. I've heard stories that would make the hair on your neck stand up.

 

[Matt]

They couldn't release a picture of it?

And the second part is alledgedly. I really doubt a 12 year old is going to point a toy gun at officers, especially after recieving a warning. Come on, that's even less believable than a conspiracy unless this child is autistic.

It didn't say he pointed. It said he continued to run, which I find very believable. The kid was probably scared.

But I can't hold the cop accountable for it. You have a distant figure. 12 years old, male, we'll say the average height is 5'5 - 5'7. And that figure is running with a gun? That is an immeidiate threat to public safety and well within police protocol to open fire on.

 

[Sloth7d]

Are you kidding me? The cops overreacted but King was hardly an innocent victim.


King was on parole for a robbery conviction. On March 3, 1991, he led police on a high speed pursuit. In an interview, King later said that he did not pull over as he feared being returned to prison. After driving through several red lights and stop signs, he pulled over in the Lake View Terrace district. The incident, minus the first few minutes after King stopped, was captured on video by a private citizen, George Holliday, from his apartment. King had a record for drunk-driving, and the officers involved testified that they believed him to be under the influence of the dissociative phencyclidine (PCP). The defendants also alleged that he resisted arrest and continued to resist even after being tasered, tackled, and struck with batons, although the video does not show this. He also attempted to grab the weapon of one officer at the scene at the start of the altercation, before Holliday began recording. He also attacked the officers before Holliday turned on his video recorder. The video became an international media sensation and a touchstone for activists in Los Angeles and around the USA.

So the moral of the story is, if the suspect tried to grab your gun once and has a shady history it's okay to stomp him down. Then it's okay to continue stomping him when he can't get up.

What are these cops in grade school? Let's not forget Rodney King is rich because of that BS.

 

[Matt]

My dads a cop, my best friend is a cop, and my cousin is a cop. I've heard stories that would make the hair on your neck stand up.

Again, assumptions based on personal perspective. You aren't taking a critical look at this at all.

 

[Matt]

Matt, if you would have watched the video's you would have known that the cop in the second video lied in court, unaware that the cameras were watching. He still got away with murder!

So did OJ. Whats your point? Bad people get away with doing bad things sometimes. His job doesn't define him nor does he define his job.

 

[TBadora]

Again, assumptions based on personal perspective. You aren't taking a critical look at this at all.

Look who's talking.

 

[Kritish]

So the moral of the story is, if the suspect tried to grab your gun once and has a shady history it's okay to stomp him down. Then it's okay to continue stomping him when he can't get up.

What are these cops in grade school? Let's not forget Rodney King is rich because of that BS.

I said the cops over reacted, but King was hardly an innocent victim.

 

[TBadora]

I said the cops over reacted, but King was hardly an innocent victim.

So, they overreacted. That's the point!

 

[Matt]

Look who's talking.

Lets see. I looked at the evidence presented, used it to make a valid argument and still conceded there is not enough evidence to come to a conclussion. How is that not a critical look?

 

[Sloth7d]

It didn't say he pointed. It said he continued to run, which I find very believable. The kid was probably scared.

But I can't hold the cop accountable for it. You have a distant figure. 12 years old, male, we'll say the average height is 5'5 - 5'7. And that figure is running with a gun? That is an immeidiate threat to public safety and well within police protocol to open fire on.

But he still didn't point the gun at the cop. And furthermore he was running away, so the cop couldn't get a good veiw of whats in his hands.

 

[TBadora]

Lets see. I looked at the evidence presented, used it to make a valid argument and still conceded there is not enough evidence to come to a conclussion. How is that not a critical look?

You took the cops side without enough evidence.

 

[The Lizard]

This is why the classic original version of Megatron will never be reissued in US toy stores.

 

[twylight]

It didn't say he pointed. It said he continued to run, which I find very believable. The kid was probably scared.

But I can't hold the cop accountable for it. You have a distant figure. 12 years old, male, we'll say the average height is 5'5 - 5'7. And that figure is running with a gun? That is an immeidiate threat to public safety and well within police protocol to open fire on.

..Matt, I'm 22 and 5'6, most 12 year olds are way shorter than me, even male ones. There are pictures of this kid and he's a total baby face, I don't see him as tall or taller than me.

 

[Sloth7d]

I said the cops over reacted, but King was hardly an innocent victim.

King isn't on trial here. The cops are. The moral is they were far over the line. A line in which calling it an "over reacton" is an understatement. Cops are not kindergarteners. They arrest suspects for the courts to punish them. They don't brutalize them.

 

[twylight]

You took the cops side without enough evidence.

Well, duh I had to have someone to debate intellectually.

 

[TBadora]

Yeah, the cops are not the judges. I am not saying all cops are bad, but if the law was stricter on cops, there wouldn't be as many rogue cops and cops over reacting. And I can see why a cop would argue otherwise, but they have never been put at the pointed end of a loaded gun while being unarmed.

 

[Matt]

But he still didn't point the gun at the cop. And furthermore he was running away, so the cop couldn't get a good veiw of whats in his hands.

A suspect running with a gun is fair game to shoot regardless of where they point it according to the Supreme Court because they are an immeidiate threat to the public.

Imagine if the suspect were a drug dealer and he took a 12 year old hostage because the cop didn't shoot and the 12 year old was killed by the dealer. I'm quite sure Badora and everyone elsse would be *****ing about their failure to act.

 

[twylight]

A suspect running with a gun is fair game to shoot regardless of where they point it according to the Supreme Court because they are an immeidiate threat to the public.

Imagine if the suspect were a drug dealer and he took a 12 year old hostage because the cop didn't shoot and the 12 year old was killed by the dealer. I'm quite sure Badora and everyone elsse would be *****ing about their failure to act.

That's odd, because I can't shoot someone in my own house unless they are coming after me. if they are running away or not towards me I have no right to shoot them at all.

 

[TBadora]

There is a difference between shooting to stun/ and shooting to kill. The cop in question obviously went for the latter and should be punished for it.

 

[Matt]

That's odd, because I can't shoot someone in my own house unless they are coming after me. if they are running away or not towards me I have no right to shoot them at all.

Tennessee v. Garner lays out the policy for police shooting fleeing suspects and they can do so if the suspect is a threat to society (i.e. a suspect fleeing with a gun drawn).