Cringeworthy Moments in Good Movies

[Tacit Ronin]

Every time Ellen Page and Leo talked about Marion in Inception.

"At any moment now she could be bursting through your subconscious".

Ugh

 

[Rowsdower!]

That scene towards the end of The Matrix when Neo thinks he's not "The One" and you think he's going to say something really profound, but all he says is "I believe I can bring him back."

Ugh.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Every time Orlando Bloom tried to act in the LOTR trilogy.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Aww, come on. He was fine in those movies. Everything else, however...

 

[Picard Sisko]

Every time Keanu Reeves tries to act in the Matrix.

Speaking of Reeves, I loved him in "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure." Perfect movie to suit his acting potential.

 

[Rowsdower!]

People say that a lot, but I've always felt Reeves fit really well in The Matrix. I thought he did a good job as the "fish out of water" type. I think he sucked in the sequels though, because by then he understood what was going on and knew what he had to do... and he still acted clueless. But I blame the Wachowskis for not knowing what the f*** they were doing.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The problem is that Neo's role in the Matrix sequels required a bigger range. I guess when the W's cast Reeves they didn't know they would ever be able make a trilogy. So when the sequels were a reality Reeves talents weren't up to the task.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, but the story and the dialogue was also pretty bad. It's not like the other actors were any better in those movies.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Remember Reeves trying to do a British accent? HAHA

 

[amazingfantasy15]

The problem is that Neo's role in the Matrix sequels required a bigger range. I guess when the W's cast Reeves they didn't know they would ever be able make a trilogy. So when the sequels were a reality Reeves talents weren't up to the task.

I think the problems were in the script not the actors. If they delivered on the promise of the first movie's ending it would've been much better. Waking more people up, showing them anything is possible in that world. Instead every inside the Matrix just became Mr. Smith.

 

[Mace Dolex]

I wonder how Disney will handle Star Wars. Still not sure how I feel about an "episode VII" being made.

The only thing cool and edgy that Disney ever remotely did that was considered cool was Gargoyles and Tron, sorry but I'm not a fan of the fluffy cutesy musical they put out.

I'm surprised that haven't "wimpified" the Marvel movies.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

Pirates of the Caribbean, Armageddon and con air say hi.

 

[Picard Sisko]

The only thing cool and edgy that Disney ever remotely did that was considered cool was Gargoyles and Tron, sorry but I'm not a fan of the fluffy cutesy musical they put out.

I'm surprised that haven't "wimpified" the Marvel movies.

I'm still not sure of how I feel about the Marvel Cinematic Universe as a whole. The Avengers came out really well, but the "feel" of the franchise is off IMO. We've only seen phase one so let's wait and see.

 

[Marvolo]

Pirates of the Caribbean, Armageddon and con air and say hi.

Pearl Harbor says hi as well.

 

[Fox]

The only thing cool and edgy that Disney ever remotely did that was considered cool was Gargoyles and Tron, sorry but I'm not a fan of the fluffy cutesy musical they put out.

I'm surprised that haven't "wimpified" the Marvel movies.

Keep in mind that Disney 'owns' marvel. For the most part they'll let Marvel do what they do best, but now it means they can incorporate the colourful characters into their marketing plans without having to pay or get permission. Keep in mind that Disney owns a lot of other film companies that make more 'grown up' entertainment.

It'll be the same case for Star Wars and Lucasfilm. The quality of Star Wars will be less affected by the 'Disney' brand than it will be by the artists that are chosen to run it. Sure, it could end up being terrible, but that wouldn't be a change from what we've come to expect from the Prequels. Then again, now that Lucas has all but relinquished creative control this is the first time we'll actually have a CHANCE at getting a good Star Wars movie since ROTJ.

Disney being the recipient of the Box office profits won't be the reason for its success or failure, any more than it was for 'The Avengers'.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Disney sure as hell had an impact on the Disney XD Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

 

[Marvolo]

Keep in mind that Disney 'owns' marvel. For the most part they'll let Marvel do what they do best, but now it means they can incorporate the colourful characters into their marketing plans without having to pay or get permission. Keep in mind that Disney owns a lot of other film companies that make more 'grown up' entertainment.

It'll be the same case for Star Wars and Lucasfilm. The quality of Star Wars will be less affected by the 'Disney' brand than it will be by the artists that are chosen to run it. Sure, it could end up being terrible, but that wouldn't be a change from what we've come to expect from the Prequels. Then again, now that Lucas has all but relinquished creative control this is the first time we'll actually have a CHANCE at getting a good Star Wars movie since ROTJ.

Disney being the recipient of the Box office profits won't be the reason for its success or failure, any more than it was for 'The Avengers'.

Yep. Think of Disney as the investor. Lucasfilm is still Lucasfilm with its own staff.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Does anyone feel like Episode VII is being rushed?

 

[Marvolo]

Does anyone feel like Episode VII is being rushed?

Not at all. They have been looking at directors and writers and crew for over a year. This thing has been in the planning stages long before it went public. The Prequels had 3 years in between films and with the time they have already been working plus the 2 years until 2015 they have had plenty of time. If Marvel can pull off multiple films yearly Lucasfilm should be able to do it, and plenty of films these days have shorter productions. Honestly, I think Lucas took too long on his prequels, especially, when you consider it did nothing for the quality of the films. He could have cut production to 2 years or less especially considering he did very little on location shooting, he had to hire no directors, and no scriptwriters. All his editors and crew were in house and ready to go with each film. So 3 years to do each film was a bit excessive and most likely because he took his time and it was all bankrolled by himself with no studio push. With Disney distributing these films and having a firm plan in mind and a huge bankroll expect the leisure time of production to be trimmed. For instance, Disney already has writers for Episodes 8&9 and those films are in the early script stages. Star Wars will be handled like Marvel films. Plan the future films in advance and have everything ready to go before the director is hired so that as soon as he is production can begin. That might be a scary idea and seem like Disney is controlling the ideas, but they aren't. They are just making sure this train stays on schedule and want all the pieces in their place at the proper time.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I guess I'm just not a big enough fan to be that invested in a new Star Wars film. The story has been told, so now my question is... what direction are they going in?

 

[Marvolo]

I guess I'm just not a big enough fan to be that invested in a new Star Wars film. The story has been told, so now my question is... what direction are they going in?

Well, the original outline of episode 7-9 back in the 80s before Lucas scrapped them were about Luke finding his sister (who was not Leia), and establishing the New Jedi Order with her. When Lucas decided to scrap Episode 7-9 he folded pieces of them into episode 6 and made Leia to be Luke's sister. It is not known to what degree the new trilogy will stick to that original outline. Also, the original outline is said to have had some crazy action and Jedi stuff in it.

As for the films, Disney has pretty much said they want to handle it like Marvel. So standalone films involving new characters separate from the Skywalker story, and a big film every once in a while pullng the narrative together into a larger story.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Well, the original outline of episode 7-9 back in the 80s before Lucas scrapped them were about Luke finding his sister (who was not Leia), and establishing the New Jedi Order with her. When Lucas decided to scrap Episode 7-9 he folded pieces of them into episode 6 and made Leia to be Luke's sister. It is not know to what degree the new trilogy will stick to that original outline. Also, the original outline is said to have had some crazy action and Jedi stuff in it.

As for the films coming every 2 years after the new trilogy finishes, Disney has pretty much said they want to handle it like Marvel. Some stand alone films and every 3-5 years have a film involving multiple characters from the stand alone films. So standalone films involving new characters and a big film every once in a while pullng the narrative together into a larger story. T

Now that Mark Hamill and the original cast are old, how are they going to implement those ideas into Episode 7-9?

With Marvel, it works because these are all characters that have had their own titles and story arcs in the comic books, and eventually came together to form a group called the Avengers. With Star Wars characters, IDK how well that could work. How many spin-offs and tie-ins do we need? Just make a trilogy, and leave it. I still don't know if we need this new trilogy in the first place.

 

[Marvolo]

Now that Mark Hamill and the original cast are old, how are they going to implement those ideas into Episode 7-9?

With Marvel, it works because these are all characters that have had their own titles and story arcs in the comic books, and eventually came together to form a group called the Avengers. With Star Wars characters, IDK how well that could work. How many spin-offs and tie-ins do we need? Just make a trilogy, and leave it. I still don't know if we need this new trilogy in the first place.

That is exactly what they are doing here. This new trilogy is the conclusion of the skywalker story of Luke and the jumping point for the future franchise. With The stand alone films the characters won't be characters we already know. They will be new characters. Like Marvel had to create these characters and give them their own arcs so will Lucasfilm and Disney. They will introduce new characters in standalone films and bring them together in big films every once in a while. There is absolutely no reason they can't do with Star Wars what was done with Marvel. Have a standalone film after the new trilogy that acts like Iron Man did. Drop hints of a larger story throughout it. Then have another couple stand alone films where they introduce more characters. Then have a large film where these storylines and characters come together.

The Star Wars universe is HUGE. Mandalorians, The Old Republic, The New Republic, The Jedi History, the Sith Empire, the Underworld and blackmarkets, the smugglers, the pirates, the bounty hunters etc. All bursting with potential waiting to be mined.

 

[Snow Queen]

My stance on Episode VII and further Star Wars sequels is that it can't be worse than the prequels....


...unless they used Kevin Smith's idea of a best moments of Star Wars linked by a time travelling Boba Fett. That would make me actually like the prequels more.

 

[Marvolo]

My stance on Episode VII and further Star Wars sequels is that it can't be worse than the prequels....


...unless they used Kevin Smith's idea of a best moments of Star Wars linked by a time travelling Boba Fett. That would make me actually like the prequels more.

Lol that was such aterrible idea.