Civil War Crossbones

[Webfoot Hero]

I enjoyed Grillo so much that I wouldn't even mind if he didn't have the mask as Crossbones. And for me, that is saying a LOT. lol

Agreed. I think if he is in future movies, he'll likely be wearing a mask to cover up his scars.

 

[Spider-Vader]

All the side characters had great parts in this film. Especially Grillo. Haven't seen a proper dragon like that in a while. He was well characterised. You could tell he did actually have respect for Cap, maybe even a little fear. But he was unquestioning in his loyalty to HYDRA. Even after seeing what they were doing to Bucky. Grillo really sold the idea that Rumlow truly believes in what they are doing, even if how they get there is questionable.

I hope they get rid of that in the sequel; Crossbones should have nothing but utter hate for Cap. Maybe Rumlow lost his respect for Cap once HYDRA's plans were ruined by Steve.

 

[storyteller]

Oh man Grillo was great, I'm also really glad that he was in the film quite a bit. Now I wanna see him wear that mask.But you know maybe as opposed to mask, it might be scarring on his face.

But I mean they clearly set it up that when he returns he won't be so pretty. Unless it's a fakeout and he's the new Red Skull.

 

[seishin87]

All the side characters had great parts in this film. Especially Grillo. Haven't seen a proper dragon like that in a while. He was well characterised.

I know what you mean. The current James Bond films and to a certain extent Nolan's TDK trilogy have suffered from this, and I'm a fan of both series but I'm able to see that. For the most part most of the phase 1 films are the same with no real standout "main henchmen/dragon" type characters, relying on one or two major villains with a whole bunch of nameless random henchmen to fight. Phase 2 has been different. All three films so far have had a traditional Dragon/Henchmen; Savin (IM3), Kurse (TDW), and now Rumlow/Crossbones(TWS).

And honestly I'm happy with all three but Rumlow was very well done, quite literally if you take into account his ultimate condition lol. Usually I like to see the Dragons meet a brutal and satisfying demise. I liked what happened with Savin and Kurse. Even though Rumlow is [blackout] still alive [/blackout] I found his comeuppence brutal and satisfying. I mean compare that to say Sacrecrow in Begins or Barsad(Bane's dragon, although barely) in TDKR. In the case of Barsad it wasn't until the Blu-ray that I found out/saw what had happened to him. I thought he kinda just disappeared in the final act but then I saw [blackout] him get picked off as he's escorting Talia to the Tumbler[/blackout].

That's one thing Nolan NEEDS to improve before he tackles a Bond film. And I actually really like Nolan's stories. I saw Begins over 10 times on the big screen. I knew it was something special and then there's TDK which I have few if any issues with I saw 3 times. TDKR, only once. Story wise Nolan has set the standard with stuff like BB/TDK. Action wise, TWS has set the standard as of now, at least for me and I feel it also incorporated the deeper story and twisty turny stuff that Nolan has mastered.

 

[PacificBoy]

Grillo really was awesome. I mean, his Rumlow came off likeable and a standup guy for about the first half of the movie. Most other movies would have played Rumlow like the second dragon, Jack Rollins, all menace and no subtly or range.

 

[Silvermoth]

To be honest I sometimes forgot crossbones was in this movie. I suppose having that nightmarish mask will make him stand out a bit more

 

[The Guard]

I didn't think he was that great a character in this. Felt like an afterthought. Basically a henchman, and not a particularly good one, apparently. Not sure why people are going on about him having "layers". While the actor did a solid job, I found the character himself to be pretty cardboard, and was hoping for a little bit more insight into his character in general.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Grillo was intense and didn't mail it in as some standard henchman. Then again that's what I like so much about this movie, how it managed it's characters.

He stands out in the elevator when delivers the line about it not being personal and then again as he was holding a gun to the head of the guy controlling Project Insight's launch. Nothin' like a Mexican standoff!

 

[marcvader]

I think the fact Rumlow was actually likable made him not your usual cookie cutter henchman. Whie i know who he is and becomes I was still like damn that sucks he's with the bad guys. Batroc on the other hand is more of your typical one note henchman type.

 

[Loki882]

Batroc was only in the movie for like five minutes, so that's not all that surprising.

 

[BoredGuy]

and yet, I still thought he was more interesting than Bane

lol

 

[The Guard]

I did like the "cross harness" thing he was wearing.

Kind of a quiet nod to a "skull and crossbones".

 

[Rock Sexton]

I think the fact Rumlow was actually likable made him not your usual cookie cutter henchman. Whie i know who he is and becomes I was still like damn that sucks he's with the bad guys. Batroc on the other hand is more of your typical one note henchman type.

Rumlow doesn't take defeat very well. He just keeps comin'.

 

[hafizbat]

Rumlow's partner looked pretty menacing as well. As far as "henchmen" go, they did a great job in TWS (just like everything else!)

 

[PacificBoy]

I think the fact Rumlow was actually likable made him not your usual cookie cutter henchman. Whie i know who he is and becomes I was still like damn that sucks he's with the bad guys. Batroc on the other hand is more of your typical one note henchman type.

Yep. He seemed like someone who would have Cap's back at the beginning, then slowly turned meaner and more ruthless.

 

[Just_Human]

I did like the "cross harness" thing he was wearing.

Kind of a quiet nod to a "skull and crossbones".

First thing that came to mind when he took off whatever he was wearing on top of it

 

[P Supreme]

I loved that nod in the uniform can't wait to see him with the mask we know Marvel
will deliver on that

 

[The Caped Knight]

he was pretty bruised up and burnt so I'd imagine he'll have the Crossbone's mask and will most likely go after Falcon since it was him that caused his damages.

 

[JAK®]

I didn't think he was that great a character in this. Felt like an afterthought. Basically a henchman, and not a particularly good one, apparently. Not sure why people are going on about him having "layers". While the actor did a solid job, I found the character himself to be pretty cardboard, and was hoping for a little bit more insight into his character in general.

Well yeah, he basically was a henchman. Just like Captain America is basically 'the hero'. It's the nuances in the performance that cause him to stand out. I was 100% convinced that Crossbones was acting the way he did because that is his character, rather than just following the plot. Even if there wasn't that much going on, Grillo sold the character through his facial expressions, demeanour and body language.

I don't really see how more insight could be provided without giving him his own subplot which would have changed the pace of the film.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Well yeah, he basically was a henchman. Just like Captain America is basically 'the hero'. It's the nuances in the performance that cause him to stand out. I was 100% convinced that Crossbones was acting the way he did because that is his character, rather than just following the plot. Even if there wasn't that much going on, Grillo sold the character through his facial expressions, demeanour and body language.

I don't really see how more insight could be provided without giving him his own subplot which would have changed the pace of the film.

Well said.

 

[PacificBoy]

Agree, well said. What elevated the movie were the "nuances in performance" throughout, from the main hero to a 'mere' henchman.

 

[Loki882]

Well yeah, he basically was a henchman. Just like Captain America is basically 'the hero'. It's the nuances in the performance that cause him to stand out. I was 100% convinced that Crossbones was acting the way he did because that is his character, rather than just following the plot. Even if there wasn't that much going on, Grillo sold the character through his facial expressions, demeanour and body language.

I don't really see how more insight could be provided without giving him his own subplot which would have changed the pace of the film.

What's kind of amusing to me is that in several superhero movies recently, the "henchmen" are getting more love/attention then the main villains. Trevor & Savin in IM3, Kurse in TDW, Faora in MOS, etc.

 

[hafizbat]

I wouldn't say Grillo got more attention than the Winter Soldier himself....he's being appreciated for the role he had, in no way at all did he overshadow Bucky.

 

[The Endless]

Well yeah, he basically was a henchman. Just like Captain America is basically 'the hero'. It's the nuances in the performance that cause him to stand out. I was 100% convinced that Crossbones was acting the way he did because that is his character, rather than just following the plot. Even if there wasn't that much going on, Grillo sold the character through his facial expressions, demeanour and body language.

I don't really see how more insight could be provided without giving him his own subplot which would have changed the pace of the film.

Well said.

There was nuance to Rumlow. The scene where Bucky is being mind wiped again. The camera lingers on Rumlow a couple of times and we can see in his face that he maybe questioning the treatment of him. In fact you could even go as far to say he looks kinda disgusted. But at the same time he truly believes in HYDRA's end game and that sometimes you have to do things you might not like to get the job done.

 

[Loki882]

I didn't say that he did.

Spoiler

Besides, WS wasn't the main villain of this movie, Robert Redford was.