Crossing the line

[PhotoJones]

its days like this that I want to set fire to all of the pro life mother****ers on the planet. there would be a lot less *******s around

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

But back in the day comic books were never violent and never put kids in danger. Heck, even in the 90's comic book weren't this violent.

What are you, KIDDING me?

Dude, "back in the day", comics were so violent the ****ing United States government nearly outlawed them.

Comic Book History:

Learn it.
Know it.

LIVE it.

 

[Darthphere]

What are you, KIDDING me?

Dude, "back in the day", comics were so violent the ****ing United States government nearly outlawed them.

Comic Book History:

Learn it.
Know it.

LIVE it.

Your point is great. There were "some" books that had dark tone. But books like The Avengers?? Come on.

 

[Harlekin]

Personally man....I think you're the only one that "wants" to understand my points

You got that right brother man.

 

[kguillou]

Yo Darthphere man, you'r REALLY blowing this thing outta proportion. There was no need for this thread man, come on...

 

[Harlekin]

And that's exactly why he did it.

 

[Darthphere]

And that's exactly why he did it.

Personally man....I think you're the only one that "wants" to understand my points

 

[Harlekin]

I haven't felt so connected to you in years.

 

[Darthphere]

I haven't felt so connected to you in years.

This is pretty tame, just wait til I unleash my real fury about:

 

[PWN3R]

I want to hump Jan.

 

[blud_knight]

why does race have to play a part in this discussion? the cracker avengers? WTF

 

[Bullsear]

You don't want your kids reading your violent comic books? Then don't leave them out.
There are plenty of comics that aren't violent. Most of them don't have superheroes, but superhero books are, by nature, violent. That's why there are lines of comic books specifically for kids.
Comics are not the medium of children's literature, and one could make the case that they never were.
If you don't want your kids seeing violent things, don't leave violent DVDs or comics sitting around, block the violent programs on your TV, and get a good safeguard program for your PC's internet browser. Don't complain that comics are too violent. Odds are, those comics aren't for your kids. Writers shouldn't have to censor themselves because you refuse to censor what your kids take in.

 

[Darthphere]

^These are the type of posts that make these threads worth making.

 

[Kitsune]

I mentioned this on another thread, it's not the violence that bothers me, but the fact that they are supposed to be training these kids, not putting them out into the field. It would be like sending kids in boot camp directly into Iraq during their training.

 

[Malus]

You don't want your kids reading your violent comic books? Then don't leave them out.
There are plenty of comics that aren't violent. Most of them don't have superheroes, but superhero books are, by nature, violent. That's why there are lines of comic books specifically for kids.
Comics are not the medium of children's literature, and one could make the case that they never were.
If you don't want your kids seeing violent things, don't leave violent DVDs or comics sitting around, block the violent programs on your TV, and get a good safeguard program for your PC's internet browser. Don't complain that comics are too violent. Odds are, those comics aren't for your kids. Writers shouldn't have to censor themselves because you refuse to censor what your kids take in.

Until quite recently, Marvel Comics could indeed be classified as "juvenile literature."
Stan & Jack certainly considered themselves producers of juvenile entertainment. The average age of a Marvel reader in 1966 was 12. Now it's 24.
That doesn't mean comics have grown up.
With sales down so dramatically (down 50% in less than 20 years), I think it means the medium is becoming less and less relevant; Marvel is desperately targeting the tastes and sensibilities of 24-year olds because that's who comprises the majority of their core readership.
And the hard reality is that younger readers are not coming into comics anymore; not like they used to. Not by a long shot.

As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing off-limits for the comics medium in terms of content.
It's context.
And presenting ultra-violence in the pages of a legacy title like Avengers, Spider-man or Hulk is the epitome of inappropriate context in my opinion.

And that doesn't make me ultra- conservative.

I'm just sick of the dark tone my lifelong favorites have taken on under the poor stewardship of Quesada, Bendis and company.

Like Morlun ripping out Spidey's eye last year -and eating it - before beating our hero to death.
Can you see that happening even 5 years ago?
We certainly wouldn't have seen it 10 years ago.

I wouldn't care that much if they kept that crap in the Max titles, or even Marvel Knights. But in the mainline titles? It's just foolhardy.

For 37 years, I have read marvel Comics. And only recently, under Quesada and Bendis, has grotesquery like this become commonplace.

It's all about appealing to the lowest common denominator - and catering to a mid-20's readership that will eventually die off.
It's short-sighted and foolish. It's all about money.
And it's wrong.

Darthphere, you are not alone in your concern. And I know quite a few readers decades younger than myself who have expressed similar regret at the stuff we're seeing coming out of Marvel recently.

And this concern is nothing like the idiocy of Frederick Wertham and the senate subcommittee hearings on comics creating juvenile delinquency.


I'm all for violent comics (like Preacher) and I'm all for pornographic comics for every sexual preference and/or perversion.
I have no problem with any of that whatsoever.
This is America.
I just don't appreciate the darkness that's enveloping the Marvel Universe.
I think it's wrong.
I can't read most Marvel comics these days with my 10-year old,
and frankly that pisses me off.

And yeah, that Rawhide Kid cover is juuust like what we're seeing now. Jeez.

 

[CConn]

^These are the type of posts that make these threads worth making.

No, no...

...

TH^T is what makes these threads worth making.

 

[Memphis Slim]

I was just looking thru "Fallen Son: Captain America", at the book shop. I just had a weird feeling about the state of comics today.

Gratuitous violence (I mean did Tony Stark have to be so violent? ) and what is up with the child endangerment????


I mean every other weapon had Black Panther written all over it. Now granted that stop short of putting kids dying in. But your brain can't help but fill in the blanks. And why do this?? Supply weapons to kids?? Are they trying to make 616 into an Ultimates universe?? Do they think violent things is some symbol of being "more adult"???

Man...I couldn't buy the book. I can't leave that laying around for my kids to pick up and look thru it. Some of this stuff is becoming Guns N Ammo!

You must lay awake at night thinking about me! t: t: t:


Have I made that big an impact on you??

 

[Darthphere]

You must lay awake at night thinking about me! t: t: t:


Have I made that big an impact on you??

I touch myself thinking about you, and I drift off and think, ride me Celldog, ride me like Reagan would.:heart: :heart: :heart:

 

[Memphis Slim]

I touch myself thinking about you, and I drift off and think, ride me Celldog, ride me like Reagan would.:heart: :heart: :heart:

That's so sad. sniff

 

[Kitsune]

No commentary. Just a link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_cracker

 

[kguillou]

Like i said, there was no need for this thread. It just shows the immaturity of some people. This is a forum, people voice their opinions here, get used to it. Just because someone feels a certain way, doesn't mean you have to go out of your way to try and humiliate that person. If you dont agree with an opinion, you argue it in a civilized manner, thats wat forum's are all about. Not this bulls***.

 

[Darthphere]

Like i said, there was no need for this thread. It just shows the immaturity of some people. This is a forum, people voice their opinions here, get used to it. Just because someone feels a certain way, doesn't mean you have to go out of your way to try and humiliate that person. If you dont agree with an opinion, you argue it in a civilized manner, thats wat forum's are all about. Not this bulls***.

I don't know what internet you're travelling on.

Also, it's really not necessary to humiliate Slim, he does that enough on his own.

 

[PWN3R]

[]Everyone disliking this thread is just jealous because they didn't think of it first.[/]

 

[PhotoJones]

^ Word. Or they think it's serious.

 

[Darthphere]

I'm actually surprised it was never closed.