The Last Jedi Daisy Ridley as Rey (VIII)

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Jack Ups]

There's some crap acting from Ridley in this. Most scenes she holds her own but one scene in particular they could have put a wooden plank in her costume and got the same performance.

 

[Romannen]

There's some crap acting from Ridley in this. Most scenes she holds her own but one scene, in particular, they could have put a wooden plank in her costume and got the same performance.

Which one? I thought she did fine throughout the whole movie.

 

[Grootster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kmggaXRUKc

Regardless of whether you think Rey is a Mary Sue, this is pretty ridiculous. She's not aware that the term "Gary Stu" exists? A lot of people use the term "Mary Sue" for male and female characters. The term Mary Sue isn't a sexist phrase, it's a criticism of a characterization and storytelling trope. I hate how people (including the official cast) keep trying to brush off this complaint as a sexist thing.

For what it's worth, I don't necessarily think Rey is a Mary Sue, mainly because she lacks the self-insertion aspect. She's just overpowered, but so are a lot of other characters in this trilogy.

 

[Sithborg]

It absolutely is a sexist term now. It is used to cover sexist ideas. Hell, the fact that Mary Sue is the origin has some sexist connotations.

 

[Grootster]

It isn't sexist. The term is used to point out characters who are overpowered and feel like self-insertion characters (generally in fanfiction.) If I recall correctly, the phrase started because someone created a Star Trek character that was overpowered named Mary Sue, and it became the name for the trope because of that. I'd be willing to bet that there are about as many Gary Stus out there in fanfiction as there are Mary Sues. If the term "Gary Stu" had stuck instead of "Mary Sue" no one would bat an eye.

I'm sure the phrase can (and has) been used in sexist ways, but generally it's just another trope, it's no more sexist than saying "the man behind the curtain".

 

[Hunter Rider]

Everything is either sexist, racist, homophobic or mysoginistic these days, it's exhausting.

In the case of Rey she makes mistakes thus is not a Mary Sue, she's powerful and quick under pressure, but no different to Luke or Han in that regard.

 

[Iceman]

I hope we see a significant time gap to IX so we can get a believable Jedi Master Rey. Would be nice if she gets a cool scene like Luke did at the beginning of RotJ.

 

[Sithborg]

It isn't sexist. The term is used to point out characters who are overpowered and feel like self-insertion characters (generally in fanfiction.) If I recall correctly, the phrase started because someone created a Star Trek character that was overpowered named Mary Sue, and it became the name for the trope because of that. I'd be willing to bet that there are about as many Gary Stus out there in fanfiction as there are Mary Sues. If the term "Gary Stu" had stuck instead of "Mary Sue" no one would bat an eye.

I'm sure the phrase can (and has) been used in sexist ways, but generally it's just another trope, it's no more sexist than saying "the man behind the curtain".

It has become a sexist term, though. And you really can't separate it from the modern usage, which is to attack any female lead character.

 

[Mjölnir]

Everything is either sexist, racist, homophobic or mysoginistic these days, it's exhausting.

In the case of Rey she makes mistakes thus is not a Mary Sue, she's powerful and quick under pressure, but no different to Luke or Han in that regard.

People being too quick to call things sexist etc when they aren't are actually helping to weaken the cause for the actual sexist problems. People crying wolf like that makes people sick and tired of the issue and we can't afford that when there's actual problems with that around.

As for Rey, she's not a complete Mary Sue, but she does have some aspects that are. The most clear case is Leia ignoring Chewie after Han has died and goes to the girl she's never even met to give her a hug (which can only be because she's the new awesome protagonist and everyone must love her).

 

[Grootster]

It has become a sexist term, though. And you really can't separate it from the modern usage, which is to attack any female lead character.

I've never heard most female lead characters called Mary Sues.

I do acknowledge that the term can be used in a sexist manner (people should be very careful when using the term), but in that video Ridley flat out calls the term sexist and says there's no male equivalent despite the fact that "Gary Stu" is used quite often. Either she's playing dumb so she can cry sexist without coming up with a better defense for her character, or she's just out-of-the-loop.

 

[Iceman]

The term should have had the equally prominent male equivalent from when it was conceived. I would have thought it would be relevant for many male characters in the past so not sure why it has become used in the way it has. Plus it's a really annoying term and a way of too many people taking a shortcut with what they think is wrong with a character and lumping it in with anything similar.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not even going to engage in the Mary Sue debate. It's dumb.

 

[CaptainWagner]

It absolutely is a sexist term now. It is used to cover sexist ideas. Hell, the fact that Mary Sue is the origin has some sexist connotations.

Yeah, the only time I've ever heard this sort of complaint applied to a male character is when someone complaining about a female character is trying to prove it isn't sexist. And that's all besides the point because Rey makes a ton of mistakes and fails at multiple missions. She's in no way a "perfect hero", which makes the complaints even more borderline questionable.

 

[Abudefduf]

A true Mary Sue would've redeemed Kylo with the power of love and/or friendship. If Rey is a Mary Sue, then she's doing a terrible job at being one.

 

[Grootster]

The term should have had the equally prominent male equivalent from when it was conceived. I would have thought it would be relevant for many male characters in the past so not sure why it has become used in the way it has. Plus it's a really annoying term and a way of too many people taking a shortcut with what they think is wrong with a character and lumping it in with anything similar.

Yeah, I can agree with this.

 

[spiderman2]

In till TFA I had never even heard the tream.

 

[InvisibleWoman]

So moving away from the Mary Sue topic for just a moment...

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Do we think there will be more ForceSkype sessions between her and Kylo in Ep 9? Or was her shutting the door on him at the end figurative as well as literal? I do wonder if she will redeem him in the end. Perhaps that is the true conclusion to the Skywalker story... that one can fall to the dark side, be redeemed and survive?

 

[MaceB]

In terms of Mary Sue, I think that could be seen as true for TFA, but not really for TLJ. My big question:

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Is Rey really the offspring of inconsequential characters? I'm somewhat skeptical... they could be setting up a reversal for the next movie, and why would Luke's lightsaber call to her? ... I'm just not sure yet. I need to see the movie again

 

[MadVillainy]

I'm not going to use the term. Like many I never even really heard of it before TFA.

That being said. Really...Rey is way too overpowered off the rip and it's actually really bad writing. And I get difference of opinions and everything, but I don't understand why some people are giving it a pass.

Think about it:
-1st time she picks up a lightsaber she defeats the main physical antagonist/one of the main antagonists of the whole new trilogy.
-[BLACKOUT]3rd time she picks up a lightsaber she is able to defeat like 3 or 4 bad ass trained killers[/BLACKOUT]
-1st time she uses the force she is able to Jedi mind trick someone
-[BLACKOUT]And then eventually she's able to move a gang of boulders like it's nothing[/BLACKOUT].
And all this is with minimum to no training.

But the thing is though it could've been fixed it Rey's parents[BLACKOUT] were somebody. I didn't want her to be a Solo/Skywalker, but maybe her parents were some of the Knights of Ren or some Jedi in hiding or I don't know something. That could help explain why she's so powerful even with no proper training. [/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]Or even they could've had Rey been a mindwiped one of Luke's pupils.[/BLACKOUT]

I dont know man, but something...

She doesn't even really get hurt like the other characters. Finn get's put in a coma, Poe gets captured tortured and a little bit bloody. [BLACKOUT]Rose goes into a coma or whatever at the end of TLJ.[/BLACKOUT] Rey, unless I'm forgetting something, is pretty scott free from both movies.

What is opposing her in this new trilogy that is 2/3 done? Like there's no Rey vs Ren rematch that really necessary like with Luke and Vader after Vader chopped off his hand. [BLACKOUT]Snoke [/BLACKOUT]is dead. Are they really going to intro a new "holy ****" enemy or moment for Rey in this last movie.
Where are they going with this character? She already is all powerful, no one in the galaxy seems to be able to f*** with her...does she really need to develop that much more as a character?

For years I've heard complaints from people about Superman being overpowered, but people are onboard with this?
This is like a worse version of what happened in Dr. Strange to me.

I love Daisy Ridley and I really like her performance, but they really havent handled this character well writing wise to me.

 

[flickchick85]

Rey's a Force savant. Simple as that. There are movies about characters with insane natural gifts all the time. And the point of Rian's story is that [blackout]you don't have to come from special lineage to have these gifts. The Force doesn't care who your parents were. A great hero can come from anywhere[/blackout]. I don't consider that bad writing at all. She still can't single-handedly wipe out the First Order, no matter how powerful she is, as [blackout]Luke pointed out[/blackout].

But I'm a die-hard Superman fan, so "over-powered" heroes have never been a problem for me, lol. To me it's what they choose to do with that power that makes them interesting. While Rey has [blackout]finally let go of her past, she's still trying to find her place, and I still don't know if she's going to follow the old ways of the Jedi (since she stole the books before "Yoda" destroyed the temple), or if she's gonna do what Kylo suggested and forge a new path.[/blackout] Also, I feel like the thing that's been holding Kylo back power-wise was his internal conflict and confusion, so [blackout]now that he's fully committed to his path and replaced Snoke, he should be a bigger threat as well[/blackout], imo.

 

[MadVillainy]

I love Superman too, but with Superman despite all his powers he has things like Doomsday, Lex Luthor getting away, Brainiac, kryptonite (ugh) Metallo, Darkseid, etc.

I don't feel that Rey has anything like those to even balance out her massive amount of power. If Kylo was more of a threat, that could've been something.

And at least Superman we see get hurt sometimes. At the least.

 

[flickchick85]

I love Superman too, but with Superman despite all his powers he has things like Doomsday, Lex Luthor getting away, Brainiac, kryptonite (ugh) Metallo, Darkseid, etc.

I don't feel that Rey has anything like those to even balance out her massive amount of power. If Kylo was more of a threat, that could've been something.

Well like I said, she still can't take on the First Order by herself. [blackout]Luke scoffed at the very notion of himself, a Jedi Master, attempting that[/blackout]. If she had been [blackout]in one of those ships hit by that cannon at the end,[/blackout] she'd be dead like anyone else. She's far from invincible, and isn't actually at Superman's power level. Rey got an arm injury fighting those guards. She can be killed in a fight like anyone else.

And also as I said, I expect Kylo to be far more disciplined/powerful the next time we see him, too.