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The Skywalkers shouldn't be depicted as a superior bloodline anyway (especially in a franchise that has always been anti-fascist at heart). What Luke taught Rey was more important than what she would get from having his genetics.
the saviour of the universe in ROTJ.
Was Luke the savior of the universe in ROTJ? Pretty sure that was Han & Leia disabling the shield generator and Lando and Wedge blowing up the Death Star.
I don't get this, either. I honestly blame the PT for this. Yes, Luke was Vader's father, but this Chosen One garbage didn't start until then, and now people think Star Wars can only focus on the Skywalker lineage. If we only had the OT before the new films, then I don't think this debate about the Skywalker bloodline and it being the story of the Saga series is something we would be talking about. Granted, some may still hate Luke's arc regardless, but that element of "But but...the Skywalker blood is tainted!" wouldn't be part of it.
I like Rey coming from nothing and being the spiritual successor to the Jedi a lot more than just slapping some Skywalker blood in her. More original, and is a better message to send people. You don't need special blood to BE special.
Agreed. I think people forget that when the original trilogy was new, we all watched about 2/3 of it thinking Lukes father was a Jedi Knight that was killed by Darth Vader. The whole chosen one thing came later, as well as the idea that there was even some sort of special Skywalker lineage.
I loved what Rian Johnson said on the blu-ray about why he felt Rey needed to come from no one. He pointed out that the hardest challenge that Luke faced in the original trilogy was finding out that Darth Vader was his father. That the thing he hated was actually part of him. He said that Rey finding out she was a Skywalker or Kenobi wasnt a challenge - it was exactly the kind of thing that she wanted to hear. He thought it made her a more interesting character for her to need to figure out her own path.
I was all about Rey being a Skywalker when I first saw TFA, but I like the direction they took it in instead. They galaxy shouldnt have to depend on the Skywalkers to save them from everything. Thats why Luke beat himself up so much when he couldnt save Ben.
Agreed. I think people forget that when the original trilogy was new, we all watched about 2/3 of it thinking Lukes father was a Jedi Knight that was killed by Darth Vader. The whole chosen one thing came later, as well as the idea that there was even some sort of special Skywalker lineage.
I loved what Rian Johnson said on the blu-ray about why he felt Rey needed to come from no one. He pointed out that the hardest challenge that Luke faced in the original trilogy was finding out that Darth Vader was his father. That the thing he hated was actually part of him. He said that Rey finding out she was a Skywalker or Kenobi wasnt a challenge - it was exactly the kind of thing that she wanted to hear. He thought it made her a more interesting character for her to need to figure out her own path.
I was all about Rey being a Skywalker when I first saw TFA, but I like the direction they took it in instead. They galaxy shouldnt have to depend on the Skywalkers to save them from everything. Thats why Luke beat himself up so much when he couldnt save Ben.
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I really loved hearing Rian Johnson's thoughts on this movie in the documentary. I agree with most of what he had to say regarding his creative choices on the film. He was 100% dead on correct on why Rey being a Skywalker was a less interesting choice. Also, we have to remember, not every Jedi comes from a lineage. If they all did, well then no one outside these certain families are special and now the Star Wars universe goes from being this vast place with so many places to explore, to being so much smaller. I also think the message is stronger because Kylo, the villain, is the one with the bloodline, the legacy, loving family, etc. He had all the advantages you could ask for in life, and now he is the villain. Rey came from nothing and had to fight her whole life to get less than a portion of food a day, and now she is our hero. It gives you this idea that heroes come from all walks of life, not just from certain families. Is it a better message to say only certain people matter, or anyone can matter? I know which I like more.
The Problem is that Rey is just Anakin 2.0 at this point.
Just that Anakin was created by the Force to restore balance toward the dark sinde and she is to restore balance towards the light.
Truth. In all honesty, the biggest thing Luke did was keep Vader and the Emperor occupied. If Luke was not around, maybe Vader stops Han, etc. But, I def agree, at least in regards to ROTJ. He did blow up Death Star 1 in ANH.
Because Luke can serve the same role Obi-Won and Yoda served for him after they died.
Because Luke can serve the same role Obi-Won and Yoda served for him after they died.
Hamill did a radio interview on BBC radio 2 here recently, I didnt hear all of it as I was working when it was on, but I heard some interesting snippets.
He did say that he loved how the movie turned out in the end and he enjoying working with Johnson. However, he did say that often he was saying to Johnson Luke wouldnt give up like this and Jedi never give up and abandon others but Johnson would reply saying we cant have too much Luke and after Hamill went away and thought about it he agreed with Johnson.
Now these arent exact quotes, but given there are many complaints about Luke leaving his friends and the galaxy to their fates to go and hide away on that planet, I thought it was interesting.
Maybe someone more technically minded than me can find a link to the interview and put it here?
Mjölnir;36510919 said:That seems logical since it explains why they justify Luke's state so very poorly if the reason they went that way was "we can't have too much Luke".
Yep, it sounds like it was pretty much Reys show, which I understand to a point. But they still could make different choices with Luke.
Honestly, if Kathleen wanted to shed away any ties to the original trilogy as much as possible then she should have started these new films with a fresh slate from the start, rather than just bringing in these beloved characters so that she could take a crap on them one at a time in order to make her original characters matter (which she has also failed at doing as well).
Re-watching the last scene of TFA with Rey finding Luke again and man, it really sucks on how Abrams really ended the film on such a powerful note only for Rian to take a huge crap on that scene as well, just for the sake of trying to subvert expectations.
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It's too bad that the original three (Mark, Carrie, and Harrison) couldn't have it in their contract when they first signed on board to return to have creative input in the way that their characters are portrayed in these new films.