Justice League Danny Elfman Scoring Justice League - Part 2

[kguillou]

How much do you guys wanna bet that the [BLACKOUT]ending montage[/BLACKOUT] was intended to be set to "What are you going to do when your not saving the world?"

 

[Klidokrator]

Elfman, being the unoriginal composer he now is, pretty much ripped it straight from his 2003 Hulk score.

Yeah, like Zimmer ripped off Black Rain for Batman Begins.
When you have to produce an enormous amount of work in a year consistently for 30 years that will happen.
For the love of God the Godfather theme is a ripoff of Fortunella that Rota composed in 58. The Pirates theme is a ripoff of the Gladiator.
Stuff like that happens in film in general.

 

[markjoedelonge]

How much do you guys wanna bet that the [BLACKOUT]ending montage[/BLACKOUT] was intended to be set to "What are you going to do when your not saving the world?"

No doubt. Sigh.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Yeah, like Zimmer ripped off Black Rain for Batman Begins.
When you have to produce an enormous amount of work in a year consistently for 30 years that will happen.
For the love of God the Godfather theme is a ripoff of Fortunella that Rota composed in 58. The Pirates theme is a ripoff of the Gladiator.
Stuff like that happens in film in general.

You don't see Zimmer walking around, proclaiming he's the bees knees, the end-all-be-all of composers. Elfman's God complex ruined this score.

 

[Klidokrator]

You don't see Zimmer walking around, proclaiming he's the bees knees, the end-all-be-all of composers. Elfman's God complex ruined this score.

First of all I was referring to the copycat claim. Second of all if he had a God complex he would have used only his music. Instead he used Williams, his theme and Zimmer. Third of all I like the score more than the Hans stuff. To say that he destroyed the score is a bit of an overreaction.
He scored JL with the most recognizable pieces of music for each member. He didn't use his Flash theme because it is not so iconic.
You are just making a villain out of a person because he had a certain approach to the material that was agreed upon by the current director and studio, and his approach for me was not something wrong.
And if this a destroyed score, I don't know what the BvS score is. At least there is not a must there be a Superman in this soundtrack that is just ambiance noise.

 

[Gu3ree]

The way Cavill said, "Do you bleed?"

 

[Consona]

The more I think about the score the more upset I get at Elfman for sleepwalking through this. He couldnt EVEN be botheres to go FULL BATMAN 89 during the parts where he used his own damn theme. I really hope some creative fan replaces the music in this.

Once the film is on blu-ray, I'll try to rescore some parts. Since there's always 5.1 audio and very often the effect and music tracks are separated, you can have a version of the film completely without music but with all the other sound effects, which is absolutely great. t: I bet my score will be a clusterf*** compared to veterans like Zimmer or Elfman, but you know, one has to practice to get better. t:

 

[markjoedelonge]

First of all I was referring to the copycat claim. Second of all if he had a God complex he would have used only his music. Instead he used Williams, his theme and Zimmer. Third of all I like the score more than the Hans stuff. To say that he destroyed the score is a bit of an overreaction.
He scored JL with the most recognizable pieces of music for each member. He didn't use his Flash theme because it is not so iconic.
You are just making a villain out of a person because he had a certain approach to the material that was agreed upon by the current director and studio, and his approach for me was not something wrong.
And if this a destroyed score, I don't know what the BvS score is. At least there is not a must there be a Superman in this soundtrack that is just ambiance noise.

Yeah you're right, the random notes and motifs thrown in haphazardly in this score make this a much better score than BvS.

 

[markjoedelonge]

the way cavill said, "do you bleed?"

chills.

 

[Gu3ree]

Sorry, I my previous comment in the wrong thread by a mistake.

So, I mentioned in my review, but I recall not really hearing the original Batman and Superman themes very clearly, and that really pissed me off. Aside from those scores alone, the music was unoriginal and forgettable.

So when Superman first comes back and I'm listening for the theme...someone's phone ringtone goes on...the audience angrily looked at the direction the irritating noise was coming from. The woman doesn't turn it off. And it happened TWICE. It ruined the scene for me.

Or...because of this I may have missed the brief John Williams music bit in that scene.

But when the Batmobile emerges out of the Fox, cue Elfman's Batman theme, I can just barely hear it because the sound in the scene is louder than the music. The sad part is that's the only times you hear the Batman theme in the movie, except for a brief motif in the rooftop scene with Commissioner Gordon. But that's it, and that sucks.

Even, in the "I'm a big fan of justice" scene, I couldn't hear John Williams that clearly.

Elfman's music overall in this film was weak. It felt dated. I'm not talking about reusing his Batman theme or John Williams' Superman theme. When I heard Han Zimmer's MOS score being played in the scoutship scene, it worked. It set the tone perfectly. I kind of missed it to be honest. Now I wish they used his score more.

 

[Micromind]

The Flash theme was awesome though, was it his stuff or something borrowed?

I don't care whether he borrowed it or was inspired by theme from Hulk to compose it, but I think you are right, this "Flash" theme should become The Flash's theme in future movies, it was awesome, something from Elfman to this universe.

 

[kguillou]

Once the film is on blu-ray, I'll try to rescore some parts. Since there's always 5.1 audio and very often the effect and music tracks are separated, you can have a version of the film completely without music but with all the other sound effects, which is absolutely great. t: I bet my score will be a clusterf*** compared to veterans like Zimmer or Elfman, but you know, one has to practice to get better. t:

Im looking forward to it!

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I'm listening to the score again after seeing the film and I'm digging it more. Btw, am I mistaken or did they use Zimmer's score in one scene in the film - when they go aboard the krypton ship?

 

[Consona]

Btw, am I mistaken or did they use Zimmer's score in one scene in the film - when they go aboard the krypton ship?

Spoiler

That's right.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Btw, if you were struggling to listen and see if Elfman uses the Williams theme when Superman returns in the final fight, don't bother. It's not even there. The version that was used for the film was the Final Battle (Bonus Track). It doesn't have the Williams theme, while the normal Final Battle track has it.

 

[WoodyROM]

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but the score was the worst part of the film for me. And that's really saying something.

 

[BatLobster]

Oddly enough I actually found the score more enjoyable on its own than in the film. Still nothing amazing, but there's some solid cues in there. In the movie it just has no impact. And it's buried in the mix. The moment Superman is brought back to life barely even feels like an important scene musically, which was baffling to me.

I want to be clear that I'm a fan of Elfman. I saw his show live last year and I saw Zimmer's live show this year. Both were wonderful experiences and they both have a hell of a body of work behind them. But Elfman's score fell totally flat here. I don't even recall either his theme for the JL ever really announcing itself in the movie.

I blame Whedon more for hiring him in the first place, and burying it in the mix. What's the point of even going "full Batman" if you have to struggle to hear it?

 

[Angel0fDeath]

@7:50 - Would've been perfect for [BLACKOUT]the rebirth of Superman.[/BLACKOUT]

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[Gieferg]

Btw, if you were struggling to listen and see if Elfman uses the Williams theme when Superman returns in the final fight, don't bother. It's not even there. The version that was used for the film was the Final Battle (Bonus Track). It doesn't have the Williams theme, while the normal Final Battle track has it.

Not true.

Williams theme IS present in the final battle, but it's not clear because of loud sfx (just like Batman theme before it).

 

[Mike_D202]

First of all I was referring to the copycat claim. Second of all if he had a God complex he would have used only his music. Instead he used Williams, his theme and Zimmer. Third of all I like the score more than the Hans stuff. To say that he destroyed the score is a bit of an overreaction.
He scored JL with the most recognizable pieces of music for each member. He didn't use his Flash theme because it is not so iconic.
You are just making a villain out of a person because he had a certain approach to the material that was agreed upon by the current director and studio, and his approach for me was not something wrong.
And if this a destroyed score, I don't know what the BvS score is. At least there is not a must there be a Superman in this soundtrack that is just ambiance noise.

Damn straight!

 

[kguillou]

Question for you guys, since Junkie was fired around June...do you think he scored a lot for the film? Or scored anything? Would he have started yet?

 

[idiot09]

@7:50 - Would've been perfect for [BLACKOUT]the rebirth of Superman.[/BLACKOUT]

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I was thinking some parts of "Tuesday" would have been great for when Superman [BLACKOUT]is just revived and is fighting the league.[/BLACKOUT] Say the part from 1.50 onwards. So menacing.

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And imagine the beginning of the track you posted over Clark talking with Lois, and then taking off, collecting the suit and then flying to Russia. Cool nod to MOS as well.

 

[WoodyROM]

Question for you guys, since Junkie was fired around June...do you think he scored a lot for the film? Or scored anything? Would he have started yet?

Hmmm, good question. I think he was definitely working on it, he obviously did work for the trailer, but to what extent I don't know.

 

[Elayis]

Question for you guys, since Junkie was fired around June...do you think he scored a lot for the film? Or scored anything? Would he have started yet?

Just some suites, I would think. Maybe a couple of cues at most. Editing wasn't done at that time, and you can't spot and score a film without the picture locked. He might've had some ideas, some sounds or themes he liked, but nothing finalized. No recordings with musicians would've been done yet.

And I still can't get over how toxic this damn thread is. I can understand being disappointed about Junkie's firing. I can understand Elfman's score not being to some peoples' tastes, but there's no conversation going on here, just hyperbolic ranting & raving. And these personal attacks against the composer himself are simply uncalled for. There's no point attempting to discus the score here when everyone is so intent on being negative and calling the worst thing ever.

 

[Aquafinn90]

The only things I liked was the Flash motif and the entire piece that plays during the WW court rescue scene. I am also not opposed to him using the older Batman and Superman themes but they were only tiny snippets you could barely hear. Either use them, or don't. Also I would have preferred if they had been blended with the existing DCEU themes for those characters as well.