Daredevil Daredevil: FULL SEASON TWO Discussion Thread (BEWARE, SPOILERS GALORE!)

[flickchick85]

Here we go, folks. No spoiler tags required. Discuss Daredevil's second season here.
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[Reek]

just started episode 2... punisher and DD on the rooftop was great...

 

[Best]

Bernthal is dropping quite a few f bombs. So natural too, I love it.

 

[Darkraid]

Jessica Jones was mentioned.

 

[starscream]

Well Kingpin suprised me.

 

[Iron_Stark]

For anyone that has watched the entire season 2

Does Punisher use the skull suit (I don't know what to call it) for more than one episode or is it just the last 20 minutes like Daredevil's suit in season 1. (Don't have to answer when he gets it)

 

[TheVileOne]

For anyone that has watched the entire season 2

Does Punisher use the skull suit (I don't know what to call it) for more than one episode or is it just the last 20 minutes like Daredevil's suit in season 1. (Don't have to answer when he gets it)

If you really want to know Iron Stark:

Spoiler

It's exactly like the last 20 minutes of season 1 with the Daredevil suit, except even less time with the skull. Oh well. There's always Punisher The TV series

 

[Iron_Stark]

If you really want to know Iron Stark:

Spoiler

It's exactly like the last 20 minutes of season 1 with the Daredevil suit, except even less time with the skull. Oh well. There's always Punisher The TV series

Thanks!

Oh well, I keep hearing from everyone Jon Bernthal is a complete badass though.

My work day needs to end!!! Need to get home to watch this!!

 

[Punisher_MAX]

If you really want to know Iron Stark:

Spoiler

It's exactly like the last 20 minutes of season 1 with the Daredevil suit, except even less time with the skull. Oh well. There's always Punisher The TV series

I'm just glad they got the character down, I really do hope he gets his own series.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

How would you guys rate season 2?

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=511069

 

[TheVileOne]

I maintain they should've kept Ben Urich around. That's just my opinion though.

 

[Marvolo]

I'm on episode 6, and so far this season is firing on all cylinders. Seriously, this is a big step up from Season one.

 

[flickchick85]

I honestly do not get the more negative reviews for this season. This has everything S1 did well (minus Ben ), plus additional awesomeness. What's not to love?

 

[Best]

Yeah I'm baffled by the negatives. Some of those are pointing out themselves that it's basically Season 1 and more (or just that) yet are finding more to criticise this time. I mean if it's a "too consistent for its own good" (with the first season) issue then OK, but even then I feel that and beyond are unnecessary nitpicks.

Only points I can agree with atm are the Foggy ones. He's just not... tolerable anymore.

 

[TheVileOne]

Do we need to spoiler tag in safety regarding season 2 conversations here? Just want to check.

As for critics, maybe they miss having a strong central villain like Wilson Fisk. Also this season, things get a little weirder by introducing The Hand.

 

[Marvolo]

I honestly do not get the more negative reviews for this season. This has everything S1 did well (minus Ben ), plus additional awesomeness. What's not to love?

I wasn't even much of a fan of season one. Fisk was just a temperamental man child. The pace wasn't that great. And the only interesting character was Matt. But this season we have Castle, Matt, Elektra, the Yakuza. We've got the Castle family story. We've got the Matt Elektra stuff. We've the Matt Karen stuff. And the pace is much better. Seriously how any one could see this obvious improvement as a step down is beyond me.

The only downside to this season is that Foggy is still mollycoddling Matt.

 

[Eddie]

IThe weirdest complaint from one of the reviews was that one that claimed the Punisher felt toned down. What the heck series were they watching, Punisher's Superhero Squad appearance? There was an eye gouging and headshots galore. Warzone went a bit more extreme, yeah, but that ridiculous movie may as well have been a live action Itchy and Scratchy cartoon.

LOVED the MCU connective tissue. There was quite a bit of it if you kept your eyes peeled, and it was mostly nice and subtle. Roxxon is now the big link between film, network, and Netflix content. They've now been a major factor in Iron Man 3, AoS, Agent Carter, and Daredevil. The biker gang was from AoS originally, and I caught another AoS Easter Egg in Ben's office (Cybertek headline). There was a fair bit of other stuff, too.

 

[s_mikheidze]

finished it about an hour ago...Frigging loved it. Great work by the folks at Marvel and Netflix.

Probably going to watch it again starting tomorrow.

 

[TheVileOne]

There's nothing toned down about Jon Bernthal.

 

[flickchick85]

Do we need to spoiler tag in safety regarding season 2 conversations here? Just want to check.

Nope, this is the spoilery free-for-all thread. No tags necessary. Spoil away!

 

[TheVileOne]

My guess is that this season has a bit more weirdness with the villainy compared to the first season which had Fisk as the central villain.

Fisk is here this season but he has more of a background role. The villain is more of an abstract organization rather than a singular big bad like Fisk.

It's mostly Daredevil vs. Punisher in the first four episodes before it shifts to the Hand vs. The Chaste in the back half. And then you still have all the trial of The Punisher and the Blacksmith.

That all doesn't come in until the back half, and there is a bit of a juggling act in the back half. However, reviews were mostly based on the first 7 episodes, mine included.

I think it's just different. Tonally, it's the same but we have Daredevil dealing with different problems.

 

[Eddie]

This season isn't really about a traditional main villain. The central conflict is Matt's views on killing. It's about his internal conflict. Each of the "villains" explores this. The Punisher has completely given into the killing. He started doing it and now he can't stop. Matt gets low, really low, and he wants to use Punisher's methods "just this once." Frank has to tell him that, like Frank himself, it wouldn't end after one time. Elektra revels in killing. She loves it. She's an extreme viewpoint. Matt can't be her, but he still wants to save her. She's the yin to his yang, but he still wants to redeem her. Nobu is the villain to push him over the edge, the villain he can justify throwing off a building. It ultimately fails to finish Nobu, though, saving Matt from crossing the line even in his darkest moment. Lastly there's Stick, the father figure who tried to make Matt his warrior. He disagrees with Matt's view on killing throughout both seasons. He says Matt needs to become a killer to win the war against the Hand. Ultimately he steps in and finishes off Nobu himself, saving his "son" from breaking his code against killing despite his attempts to mold Matt into his ideal champion.

 

[TheVileOne]

I agree. Matt's conflict, and also he's being drawn in multiple different directions. He's having a struggle with being both Matt Murdock and Daredevil and reconciling his double-life.

 

[gohei_]

Just finished the last episode. Man this season was even better than season 1.
Just some quick thoughts; I was really surprised to find out that Elektra was the Black Sky, and also considering she was killed, she's most likely not to get killed by Bullseye when he shows up.
They also set up a Born Again storyline very neatly for season 3 or 4 (or even later), depening on how long they wanna keep Fisk in jail.

 

[Eddie]

Yeah, I don't think Bullseye will kill Elektra (even with the obvious setup that she's coming back one way or another). There's been a big death that twists the comic canon in each season (Ben first, Elektra's death being at the hand of Nobu instead of Bullseye this time). I could see Bullseye killing off a different main character, though, keeping that death trend going. Karen and Foggy seem like candidates to get killed off in a future season, and I wouldn't rule out Claire.