Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 2

[mace1]

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[Mike Murdock]

I think a lot of it will have a similar tone to Arrow (not this show's fault, I think Arrow is a lot closer to Daredevil than the Green Arrow in the comics). The Wire aspects will probably be in its "gritty street level" aspects. It's clear that Bendis took inspiration from that show. On the other hand, I doubt the show will be as balanced a portrayal of all the players involved. The Wire was truly about Baltimore, not the police. This show, on the other hand, is about Daredevil, not Hell's Kitchen. I think we'll cover a decent amount of Wilson Fisk (in an apparently somewhat sympathetic way), but any street-level characters aren't going to take on the same role (that being said, some Daredevil runs, particularly Ann Noccenti, seemed to focus on everyone but Daredevil to some success).

Law and Order (for all its flaws) still remains the gold standard for legal drama. The show is far too procedural to compare to Daredevil, though. In addition, it takes the side of the prosecutor. One of the most underrated legal dramas, that would actually make a great point of comparison, would be David E. Kelly's The Practice. It's too late to make any changes now and I doubt they're reading what I write anyway, but my suggestion for anyone who wants to make a show with legal components is to watch that show. It has a grounded, realistic, morally ambiguous take on the criminal defense attorney that works quite well.

As far as Batman. I doubt this show will be like Gotham. At least from what I've seen, that show has a bit more camp than this will. But it's hard to call Gotham a Batman show when it doesn't have Batman. The superhero (particularly the traditional superhero with a secret identity) is a wildcard that isn't there. Otherwise, Batman always seems to be more secure in his position. There's never really been a show about Batman learning the ropes. Even if he's just getting established, Batman always had far more resources at his disposal than Daredevil, who seems to be scraping by quite a bit more.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'd love to see a Bruce Wayne centric show about his globe trotting days before he became Batman, while simultaneously telling the story of Gotham in his absence with Lost type flashbacks to his past before he left Gotham.

I seriously hope they can do Moon Knight. In this age of Breaking Bad and True Detective, people would eat that up, the more adult market anyway. I'd be interesting to see Marvel take their brand in the adult branch. Punisher would fit this too as would Blade.

 

[flickchick85]

I hope though that it's more similar to Arrow than Gotham in tone, but ultimately different from both.

Yeah, I don't really want it to be AT ALL similar to either in tone. Not AoS or Agent Carter, either. Due to its budget and production model, this is the first superhero show that has a chance to rise above the broadcast storytelling conventions/limitations and become something unprecedented in the superhero genre, so I'm hoping the creative team involved aimed higher than all those shows were allowed to and forged their own, more cinematic style/tone.

 

[Moridin]

Yeah, I don't really want it to be AT ALL similar to either in tone. Not AoS or Agent Carter, either. Due to its budget and production model, this is the first superhero show that has a chance to rise above the broadcast storytelling conventions/limitations and become something unprecedented in the superhero genre, so I'm hoping the creative team involved aimed higher than all those shows were allowed to and forged their own, more cinematic style/tone.

 

[Keyser Soze]

As far as aesthetic goes, you can't tell all that much from just a few scenes, but based on what I saw at NYCC, what stood out for me is that the clips had a grainy, slightly grimy quality, more like old film or cable drama than super-glossy network TV. It also felt a little bit like Fargo in some of its slightly offbeat shot arrangements, which makes sense since they share a cinematographer.

 

[Art Freak]

Keyser, you were at NYCC? Please tell us who was playing Jack Murdock in the clip.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yeah, I don't really want it to be AT ALL similar to either in tone. Not AoS or Agent Carter, either. Due to its budget and production model, this is the first superhero show that has a chance to rise above the broadcast storytelling conventions/limitations and become something unprecedented in the superhero genre, so I'm hoping the creative team involved aimed higher than all those shows were allowed to and forged their own, more cinematic style/tone.

My hope for this show is that I can say "This a good superhero story" not "This is a good superhero story...for a tv show" like I do with Smallville, Arrow, etc.

I do think this has that chance.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Keyser, you were at NYCC? Please tell us who was playing Jack Murdock in the clip.

I honestly didn't recognise him. And I'm sure they name-checked the guy in the panel, but I can't recall who it was.

 

[Art Freak]

Ah, oh well. April ain't far.

 

[The Overlord]

Yeah, I don't really want it to be AT ALL similar to either in tone. Not AoS or Agent Carter, either. Due to its budget and production model, this is the first superhero show that has a chance to rise above the broadcast storytelling conventions/limitations and become something unprecedented in the superhero genre, so I'm hoping the creative team involved aimed higher than all those shows were allowed to and forged their own, more cinematic style/tone.

Yeah, I hope its more like cable shows like Breaking Bad or Board Walk Empire then it is network shows like Gotham, Arrow and Law & Order.

I would hope for cable TV level acting, a long overarching story rather an episodic case/freak of the week style of show. All the good shows are on cable, so I hope with DD being on Netflix the show would fit that mold.

 

[Shakel92]

My hopes are high as well. Netflix is about 50/50 when it comes to actually nailing it. House of Cards is by far their best show, but I think a lot of that comes from having Kevin Spacey as the lead. Orange is the new Black started off great, but I never finished the second season. I watched the first episode of Marco Polo, but haven't seen anything else.

I'm hoping for more of an HBO vibe than anything else. Game of Thrones, The Newsroom, True Detective, Boardwalk Empire, The Wire, The Sopranos, True Blood (ok, ok, only the first 2-3 seasons were actually "good") are good and worthy of repeat viewing.

But if Marvel really does have creative control, then I'm sure it will be awesome. The only thing close to "bad" in my opinion is the first couple of episodes of Agents of Shield, which actually aren't bad on repeat viewing.

The fact that is basically going to be a "TV-15" type of show really bodes well. I'm sure the profanity won't be all that bad, considering that it is based on a comic book. However, I hope the fight scenes blow everything from Arrow out of the water. With their budget and additional time for filming, there is not excuse as to why this thing turns out second rate.

 

[BlackFox]

Must keep hype level down but really cant wait for this. Arrow is good at times, AoS I can take or leave but I'm hoping Daredevil can reach higher than either of these shows.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Over the past few weeks, I've been prepping myself for Daredevil by watching The French Connection and its sequel, and revisiting Dog Day Afternoon and Taxi Driver! Good times. And all paint a fascinating portrait of a New York City that no longer exists. It'll be interesting to see if Daredevil can craft such a distinctive sense of place out of modern day Hell's Kitchen.

 

[marcvader]

The French Connection is on Netflix streaming right now. Need to watch that again.

 

[Keyser Soze]

The French Connection is on Netflix streaming right now. Need to watch that again.

Absolute classic. Anyone who hasn't seen it really should amend that grievous error immediately and watch it on Netflix NOW!

 

[marcvader]

Absolute classic. Anyone who hasn't seen it really should amend that grievous error immediately and watch it on Netflix NOW!

That's right. French Connection 2 was on there forever, which I didn't like as much, but they just added FC last week.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Never seen it. But now I plan to watch it this weekend.

 

[kguillou]

Ok, I'm gonna ask you guys honestly. I put French Connection on my watch list for this week but is it one of those movies that still holds up well? I ask because I have a bad history with watching so called crime classics ( Bladerunner, Godfather, Escape from New York etc), being very hyped about watching them and then ending up being bored out of my mind ( my goodness, Bladerunner was slow and boring, sorry, guys but it was). I'm hyped.to watch French Connection as a crime noir fan but does it REALLY hold up well?

 

[MadVillainy]

French Connection has my favorite car chase of all time

 

[Keyser Soze]

Ok, I'm gonna ask you guys honestly. I put French Connection on my watch list for this week but is it one of those movies that still holds up well? I ask because I have a bad history with watching so called classics ( Bladerunner, Godfather, Escape from New York etc), bring hyped about watching them and then being bored out of my mind ( my goodness, Bladerunner was slow and boring, sorry, guys but it was). I'm hyped.to watch French Connection as a crime noir fan but does it REALLY hold up well?

Well, I think the three films you listed still hold up as absolute classics, so I may not be the best person to ask, but I just watched the French Connection recently, and I was taken aback at how well-paced and spry it is for a 40-year-old film. If you don't like slowness in your films, you may find the opening segment where they are carefully laying out the key players and locations a drag, but the second half just builds and builds... super-tense footchase, then what is still the greatest car chase ever committed to film, building up to a thrilling shoot-out, meaning it segues wonderfully from grounded crime to action thriller.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think the main flaw/the thing that doesnt hold up well is the ending. I think it's a great ending but I've never been a huge fan of the last like 2 mins.

The last 2 mins of French Connection 2 is great though

 

[Keyser Soze]

I think the main flaw/the thing that doesnt hold up well is the ending. I think it's a great ending but I've never been a huge fan of the last like 2 mins.

The last 2 mins of French Connection 2 is great though

See, I'm kinda the other way round, but getting into my reasons why may be too spoilerific a topic for a thread convincing those who haven't seen the film to give it a go.

Sidenote: French Connection 2 gets a bit of a bum rap for not being near the classic quality of the original, but on its own merits it's actually a really good film, and arguably gives Gene Hackman an even meatier role than he had in the first film.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yeah both movies are really good.

 

[Dark Raven]

Ok, I'm gonna ask you guys honestly. I put French Connection on my watch list for this week but is it one of those movies that still holds up well? I ask because I have a bad history with watching so called crime classics ( Bladerunner, Godfather, Escape from New York etc), being very hyped about watching them and then ending up being bored out of my mind ( my goodness, Bladerunner was slow and boring, sorry, guys but it was). I'm hyped.to watch French Connection as a crime noir fan but does it REALLY hold up well?

Maybe you've been raised too much on TV shows or movies that cut between scenes very quickly? You probably won't like French Connection or any other classic movie because films all were slower back then and had longer shots and longer dialogue.

But that's not about whether it holds up well or not. It does hold up well, but the real issue is whether you would be bored by it, which is not the same thing. Many of these classic movies still are as watchable today as when they were made, but it all depends on your tastes and your tolerance for longer scenes and takes that will determine your own personal enjoyment.