Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 8

[jmc]

New original content without brand name power except for a few.

There is a reason why studios run on IP notoriety these days.

New content all the time doesn't necessarily equate with quality.

IP's work for movies. Streaming is not movies. Streaming is its own viewing experience. If IP's actually mattered then there's not a logical reason for Netflix to can Daredevil or any of the other MCU shows. Netflix isn't reliant on brands, they are reliant on content. It doesn't matter if Netflix makes good or bad films/TV shows, as long as there's new things being released it will keep people interested. Disney is reliant on brands. Ask yourself this question. How many successful original movies in the last 10 years have come from Disney itself and not one of its brands they've purchased or remakes of stuff they've already done? 3 or 4 maybe? This is the issue, you can't just take what works on film and assume that's going to translate into streaming, that your IP's will be enough, the viewing habits are completely different. Streaming doesn't care about brands, it cares about content.

 

[AResistor]

(1)IP's work for movies. Streaming is not movies. Streaming is its own viewing experience. If IP's actually mattered then there's not a logical reason for Netflix to can Daredevil or any of the other MCU shows. Netflix isn't reliant on brands, they are reliant on content. It doesn't matter if Netflix makes good or bad films/TV shows, as long as there's new things being released it will keep people interested. Disney is reliant on brands. (2) Ask yourself this question. How many successful original movies in the last 10 years have come from Disney itself and not one of its brands they've purchased or remakes of stuff they've already done? 3 or 4 maybe? (3) This is the issue, you can't just take what works on film and assume that's going to translate into streaming, that your IP's will be enough, the viewing habits are completely different. Streaming doesn't care about brands, it cares about content.

(1) IP leads to viewers. Netflix isn't making original content with disregard - they're looking for the higher viewer count possible. No company makes original content with shrugging off failure. If it doesn't get those numbers, that's a loss. Point being, they need more flagships. Trying to make too much at once has never been good - not for film, not for TV, and it won't be for streaming either. There's only so much content the content execs can focus on at once. IF and LC, yeah - Netflix could be said to have cancelled those - I thought that was the case too; however, Daredevil?! Yeah, there's more at play here. Plus, it's mighty fishy that Netflix keeps on saying these characters will "live on" while also deleting any means that they can live on.

(2) This would only be relevant if Disney didn't make it clear that they're focusing on branded rather than original content.

(3) So, you seriously believe fanboys won't pay hand-over-fist for exclusive MCU and SWU content with the film's cast and top creators behind the content? And you honestly believe families won't give in to their children begging for an exclusive Disney streaming service? If it's anything Disney knows how to do best - it's getting kids to beg until their parents cave in, it's like their signature talent.

 

[Kuwolski]

IP's work for movies. Streaming is not movies. Streaming is its own viewing experience. If IP's actually mattered then there's not a logical reason for Netflix to can Daredevil or any of the other MCU shows. Netflix isn't reliant on brands, they are reliant on content. It doesn't matter if Netflix makes good or bad films/TV shows, as long as there's new things being released it will keep people interested. Disney is reliant on brands. Ask yourself this question. How many successful original movies in the last 10 years have come from Disney itself and not one of its brands they've purchased or remakes of stuff they've already done? 3 or 4 maybe? This is the issue, you can't just take what works on film and assume that's going to translate into streaming, that your IP's will be enough, the viewing habits are completely different. Streaming doesn't care about brands, it cares about content.

So you think they'd attract more subs off the bat with Disney + with completely original IP"s as opposed to Pixar, Marvel, Star Wars, etc? That's what they own Hulu for. The reason Disney doesn't spend money on too much original content cinematically is because they have these brands...They are known quantities, beloved and popular. It's also a corporate strategy. Which is working.

 

[TheVileOne]

I really don't understand the division between Marvel Film and TV. I feel like they should be more in-sync.

 

[Nardz937]

The show was absolutely great. It's sad to see it get cancelled and to see many lose their jobs. Ultimately though it is what it is. I think bigger things are coming for the character now though (big screen MCU).

People loved the Raimi Spidey series. It got rebooted.
People loved the Nolan Batman series. It got rebooted.

It's the cycle - these things happen.

The dark and gritty take on the character we've seen in this show and in the comics in recent years probably suites him best, but the character can still work in the MCU. The original Stan Lee/Gene Colan comics were light-hearted, colorful, and in a similar tone to Spider-Man and the rest of the gang in the MCU. It can still work and I'm looking forward to seeing bigger things for Daredevil from here.

Fans of this show, you'll always have it to go back to and cherish.

I hope Jessica Jones goes out on a high note too.

 

[flickchick85]

I really don't understand the division between Marvel Film and TV. I feel like they should be more in-sync.

Feige hates Perlmutter, and Loeb/Marvel TV is still under his control. Any cooperation he has with them, he'll inevitably have to deal with Ike's input. I think that's pretty much the crux of it.

 

[Pennywise]

I'm definitely planning on doing a Daredevil marathon in honour of the show starting tomorrow!

 

[TheVileOne]

Feige hates Perlmutter, and Loeb/Marvel TV is still under his control. Any cooperation he has with them, he'll inevitably have to deal with Ike's input. I think that's pretty much the crux of it.

I know there's a conflict there, but how much say, input or power does Perlmutter really have over Marvel TV? Can we really say we've seen his influence on the TV shows at all? Maybe with Inhumans. But what about the Netflix line? I just don't see it. I just feel like for the good of everyone there should be less problems. I don't care for corporate politics.

 

[Kuwolski]

I know there's a conflict there, but how much say, input or power does Perlmutter really have over Marvel TV? Can we really say we've seen his influence on the TV shows at all? Maybe with Inhumans. But what about the Netflix line? I just don't see it. I just feel like for the good of everyone there should be less problems. I don't care for corporate politics.

I believe it'll eventually be streamlined under one banner. Likely Marvel Studios a la Lucasfilm.

The streaming service seems to be exclusively Marvel Studios so far when it comes to these shows. That's one way to get in sync
.

 

[flickchick85]

I know there's a conflict there, but how much say, input or power does Perlmutter really have over Marvel TV? Can we really say we've seen his influence on the TV shows at all? Maybe with Inhumans. But what about the Netflix line? I just don't see it. I just feel like for the good of everyone there should be less problems. I don't care for corporate politics.

Perlmutter is their boss. He has input when he wants it. We learned how much input he had back when Marvel Studios got out from under his thumb, and it was plenty - he was the reason for the "creative committee," he was the reason for the villain change in IM3, he was the reason for the lack of movement on Black Widow back when it would've made the most sense to do it. And yeah, none of us like corporate politics, I was just saying that's almost certainly the driving factor.

 

[Marvel united]

No, but it is the best. Shouldn't we always strive to make the best version of the character? Daredevil can easily just be expanded upon. Rebuilding the foundation is not necessary.

I find preserving the best version of the character more important than simply seeing him shake hands with Spider-Man. I want the version doing that to be the best version, not a version that has me wishing it was the other version. It'd be like if Andrew Garfield were now Spider-Man in an Avengers movie. I would just be wanting Tom Holland.

I'm sure many felt that way about Andrew Garfield when he was Spider-Man. Believe it or not, people, Garfield's version of Peter Parker was relatively popular when that series was current. I remember a lot of Raimi fans hating him because the Raimi series was rebooted but after TASM came out, there were A LOT of fans of his portrayal (me being one of them at the time). Tom Holland aka FEIGE'S Spider-Man was introduced in Civil War and in very first appearance, easily topped Garfield as the best Spider-Man.

You could say the same thing about Jack Nicholson. People thought he couldn't be topped and then Ledger came along and blew him out of the water (no disrespect to Mr. Nicholson). We don't know what Feige's version of Daredevil will look like and it could very well end up being better than the Netflix version. I know the aesthetics are going to be better, that's for certain. We'd probably get a Daredevil with a superhuman level of agility like Spider-Man.

You have to wait and see what/if they do anything with the character and then judge. Because as it is now, the Netflix version simply does not fit into the MCU proper. They are made by two different teams with two different styles and now we're hearing they did not get along. Likely because of Perlmutter.

 

[Marvolo]

As far as I know Perlmutter is in some legal trouble so he may not be a concern in the long run.

 

[Lilbaz]

As far as I know Perlmutter is in some legal trouble so he may not be a concern in the long run.

He's not but his assistant might be for getting him a gun licence.

 

[babykhris]

After reading a few posts I came to the following conclusions.

When they canceled Iron Fist it was only a matter of time before the rest of the MCU Netflix shows were done.

Now everyone is saying reboot or send the shows to Disney+ Well that’s not happening. Hulu is the most obvious fit. Hulu already has the Runaways. Plus Hulu doesn’t have many original series but Daredevil could do well there.

Now got those who say the Netflix shows ratings were bad. How much promotion did you see?? On Hulu Marvel would push those shows.

Problem is with Netflix try to keep the old episodes??

 

[Zant]

Well, Wolverine and Deapool are about to get seriously watered-down .....DD and Punisher may as well join them..

 

[zenith16]

After reading a few posts I came to the following conclusions.

When they canceled Iron Fist it was only a matter of time before the rest of the MCU Netflix shows were done.

Now everyone is saying reboot or send the shows to Disney+ Well that’s not happening. Hulu is the most obvious fit. Hulu already has the Runaways. Plus Hulu doesn’t have many original series but Daredevil could do well there.

Now got those who say the Netflix shows ratings were bad. How much promotion did you see?? On Hulu Marvel would push those shows.

Problem is with Netflix try to keep the old episodes??

DD being cancelled is a surprised fopr those of use that thought it would be cancelled but I stated thismany times in the luke cage & iron fist forum's net flix think they will be ok cause they have the creator of kick ass that will make priority content for them called millar world. as for the keep ing the older episode s while it some what likely that won';t stop disney from taking the shows and putting it up on hulu anbd then those show being reput up on net flix later.

truth be told it's be stated that hulu will possbly be open up to an international audince. So will have to seeabout that.

disney own two streaming services . so net flix's see them as big competition now. and they wnt more priority content to them selves sadly.

As for the marvel shows them selve I still want all of the MU character's to interact with out hinderence cause it'll bring them alot of money and it'll give the actors of the net flix show what they want as well Three of those thing's being rating, Exposer, and working with othe great talent.

If you have creative differences, can't you resolve those differences or just choose one of the 2 paths rather than outright cancelling the whole show?

you can't if both side are being adament in being inmovaable from what they wantand refuse for comprmise. so if your inthe mind set it's my way and nothing else. nothing can be resolved in good for anyone.

as to what vile one said disney does own two streaming serivic's now nbext the fox channels too. so it's possible to do the shows on hulu even though I think there should still be a marvel streaming channel it's self and put out the shows on the other for international audience's via the others. and I want the silly restrictions gone so the universe can work with out problem's . unimpeeded so all the character's can interact. it 'll just bring in more money for them.

But I saw victor lucas mention something about hulu opening their stream service to more people out side states. it's the third segment inthe video below on his thought on hulu being own by Disney as the majority owner.

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Both viable options

So I want marvel them selve to have a channel like DC does , so they can do so and they can put it on the other streaming outlet's only for the purpose of gust staring and crossovers with out any blocking or excuse's . cause it'll give them alot more to have those as opposed to not . it';ll give them money. there alot more benifit 's to being weird and saying not to the idea.




Amazing Spider-Man‏ @Super_Spidey1 9h9 hours ago
It may be sad Daredevil is cancelled, but now this is all the more possible.

 

[Shuri]

I mean, It's clear they're getting rid of all of the Marvel netflix shows so they can transition over to Disney's streaming service. I just hope they keep the cast and crew.

Keep everyone and recast Danny and Luke, possibly reboot Iron Fist.

 

[zenith16]

Keep everyone and recast Danny and Luke, possibly reboot Iron Fist.

Really you didn't like Mike Colter as Luke?

 

[Shuri]

But they can do things to make it make sense financially. Like put Daredevil in another MCU movie, then do the show again once he has more exposure. Or limit episode counts. Etc.

Whatever future Daredevil holds, it better include Charlie Cox. Or I riot

Marvel is not stupid. If they are going to use Daredevil, there's no way they'll recast him. Charlie is Daredevil. Not sure about the rest though.

 

[Shuri]

Really you didn't like Mike Colter as Luke?

Yes. He's not a good actor and lacks charisma. His supporting actors carried that show.

 

[zenith16]

Yes. He's not a good actor and lacks charisma. His supporting actors carried that show.

I see. Thanks for the calirfication.

 

[WhoMani]

I would be totally happy if Disney/Feige decided to reboot Iron Fist. But it would hard to see Daredevil being recast as Charie Cox in my opinion is the definitive Matt Murdock and he deserves a chance to be in the MCU movies... that's not going to happen.

 

[Shuri]

Screw Disney I am not subscribing...they can have their little kids shows and cute and cuddly avengers...im glad i dont have kids.

 

[zenith16]

don't worry about him he's of the prediusbunch that marvel will never allow anything dark and gritty the way he likes yet they had a show called the Sai yuki anime aversion of jorney to the west that would blow his mind. fromthe early Disney XD days.

I would be totally happy if Disney/Feige decided to reboot Iron Fist. But it would hard to see Daredevil being recast as Charie Cox in my opinion is the definitive Matt Murdock and he deserves a chance to be in the MCU movies... that's not going to happen.

They don't need to reacst DD just bring the actor over. his contract's over per this cancellization & he's a free actor now.

 

[Shuri]

While I'm not in favor of any type of reboot here, I do have to chime in - my favorite version of Daredevil in the comics was Mark Waid's, not Frank Miller's. It IS possible for DD to be good and not-so-R-rated.

Thank you. I hate this believe that Daredevil is great because its R-rated. Its great because it was well written and acted. The blood, gore and language did not make that show. I agree with punisher having to be r-rated, but Daredevil never needed it. So yes, Marvel can still continue with this version of Daredevil even if it's not r-rated.