Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 8

[dmcreif]

Everyone keeps saying that season 3 will be an adaptation of "Born Again," but there has been no confirmation that that's the case. The scene from the end of The Defenders is a Born Again easter egg, yes. But that scene with Sister Maggie happens halfway through Born Again after he had "died" in the midst of Fisk making an attempt on his life. The fact that the Sister Maggie scene happens after the unrelated events of
The Defenders means it can't happen again halfway through this season.

At most, I think it's a given that Fisk will learn Matt's identity, but I don't know how they can possibly follow the first half of the Born Again story, when season 3 has no choice but to start with him already severely injured and presumed dead.

When Charlie Cox was asked if the season would be based on Born Again his response was "That's such an amazing story. Everyone who loves Daredevil loves Born Again. You can't not. And if that's the case, then the implications of that would be very exciting to me. That would be great. Having said that, I know we don't tend to follow any story blueprints too closely, because if you do, then you become a foregone conclusion. There may be elements from Born Again, but I'm sure there will be elements that are unfamiliar and surprising and different in order for the show to be compelling to fans who know the comics very well. If we start making Born Again page-for-page, then the people who have read it and loved it — the hardcore fans — they won't have too much drama." So it looks to me like it won't be based on Born Again. They might have the story be like Fisk finds out Matt's identity and tries to **** up his personal life and he has to deal with it and fight back, but that's as much of Born Again as I can see them doing. But the plot revolving around him being "Born Again" can't really happen since the season literally starts with him recovering from massive injuries and being presumed dead from an entirely unrelated incident.

Speaking of "Born Again," how do people imagine that Matt will make his return from the dead here? Do you think he'll make contact with Karen and Foggy as soon as possible or will he wait it out a bit? (Personally I hope it's the former, because I feel sorry for Karen and Foggy and how much time they'll be spending thinking Matt is "dead", and I don't want to see Matt exhibiting anymore of the tired superhero cliche of thinking "I must separate myself from the people I love in order to protect them.")

 

[Iceman]

Is Bullseye still gonna be in season 3? If so, we should probably hear about his casting soon

I didn't realise he was supposed to be in. Cool if he is in. Hopefully better than the film version!

 

[HunBoy]

 

[Kuwolski]

Did it break when he sat on it..

 

[Whatupman]

 

[Kuwolski]

 

[dmcreif]

Deborah Ann Woll was also on set, according to other photos, and there were protesters with signs reading "LOCK FISK UP" and "STOP AND FISK HIM" and other slogans. (Seems like Fisk is at least being charged with Detective Blake's murder)

 

[Mike Murdock]

I'm guessing neither Foggy nor Matt will be involved in that trial, but I'm hoping they don't make any legal stuff as bad as last season. If they're not sure they can do it right, they don't actually have to show inside of a courtroom.

 

[Random490]

Love that page from Ultimate Spider-man. If they ever have a crossover with Spider-man appearing in daredevil I think it would be awesome to center it around DD and Spider-man meeting after both fighting street crime, DD being angry at Fisk being released and end the episode with Spidey cheering him up by insulting Fisk to his face.

Deborah Ann Woll was also on set, according to other photos, and there were protesters with signs reading "LOCK FISK UP" and "STOP AND FISK HIM" and other slogans. (Seems like Fisk is at least being charged with Detective Blake's murder)

Well also remember all the cops killed during his attempted escape at the end of season 1.

 

[Kuwolski]

It shouldn't be difficult to do research or hire a legal consultant. I feel getting it right wasn't as much the issue for them as style and story economy. What we got was the marriage between those two things. I definitely agree it could/should have been handled better and the courtroom scenes are where authenticity should be strived for. It will be interesting to see how the new showrunner handles those scenes.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Honestly, the scenes in the courtroom and the legal procedural stuff leading up to it were just terrible. I'm a lawyer, but I'm generally very forgiving of TV lawyering. I don't necessarily want them to get bogged down in the minutiae of offers of proof, preserving objections for the record, the trial procedural stuff, etc. But it was just painful.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Honestly, the scenes in the courtroom and the legal procedural stuff leading up to it were just terrible. I'm a lawyer, but I'm generally very forgiving of TV lawyering. I don't necessarily want them to get bogged down in the minutiae of offers of proof, preserving objections for the record, the trial procedural stuff, etc. But it was just painful.

Take that feeling and x100 it for me.

I'm a software engineer/computer programmer.

Mr. Robot is pretty much the only show that gets anything right (beautifully, too), when it comes to this. Oh, and Silicon Valley. I've heard good things about Halt and Catch Fire, but I've never watched it.

I've learned to just ignore it.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Don't get me wrong, I have fairly low standards. But Law and Order and Boston Legal already felt fairly low. The only thing I can think of that American audiences would know pretty well that does a solid job is My Cousin Vinny (there's an old British show called Rumpole of the Bailey that is wonderful, but that's not exactly well-known).

 

[TheVileOne]

There's been no evidence to suggest Bullseye will be in season 3. Just speculation.

 

[metaphysician]

Given that mercenaries literally murdered him out of custody, publicly, with witnesses, and with him speaking to those witnesses. . . if the show has Fisk acquitted and freed, its going to have to do some truly epic selling.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

There's been no evidence to suggest Bullseye will be in season 3. Just speculation.

Yeah, and that's a bit sad. One of Daredevil's best known hasn't appeared yet. I know these things take time, but it has been 3 seasons. Might as well wait and hope.

 

[pixen]

I think Bullseye will be in this season. I think that the casting call was for him, despite being a tad out of character... As this is an adaption, the character won't be exactly what's from the comics. Just look at what they did to Elektra. I think it's safe to say there's a chance he'll make an appearance.

 

[KevTravels]

how long do they expect to be able to do the series?

they better have him show up in season 3 or at least a minor role setting up more things to come for a season 4

 

[Mike Murdock]

I suspect it's a season by season thing. I don't see any current reason to end the show any time soon, but I also fear that it's a show that will continue in perpetuity because Netflix knows it isn't getting any more of these shows.

 

[KevTravels]

I suspect it's a season by season thing. I don't see any current reason to end the show any time soon, but I also fear that it's a show that will continue in perpetuity because Netflix knows it isn't getting any more of these shows.

Excellent point.

I'm not much of a comic fan of DD, but does he have the Rogue Gallery enough to keep quality antagonists in the incoming seasons. Honestly I'd be happy with the rest of the seasons being about DD and Kingpin with Bullseye appearing.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I think he has quite a few interesting ones, but I suspect they wouldn't use most of them out of concern with it not matching tone. Certainly, at a minimum, Mr. Fear has room to be used. Gladiator could be fun. I also think they could go with Ikari (from Mark Waid's run) or Lady Bullseye if we didn't have Hand fatigue. Typhoid Mary would work if she doesn't get scooped up by another show. But there's quite a few storylines that I'd be interested in - most of which are hidden gems.

 

[KevTravels]

I think he has quite a few interesting ones, but I suspect they wouldn't use most of them out of concern with it not matching tone. Certainly, at a minimum, Mr. Fear has room to be used. Gladiator could be fun. I also think they could go with Ikari (from Mark Waid's run) or Lady Bullseye if we didn't have Hand fatigue. Typhoid Mary would work if she doesn't get scooped up by another show. But there's quite a few storylines that I'd be interested in - most of which are hidden gems.

Could you elaborate on those guys that you mentioned?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Don't forget about Madcap!

 

[Mike Murdock]

^ I'm not forgetting Madcap, I'm deliberately ignoring Madcap. That being said, Madcap is more plausible than Stilt-Man, imo.

Could you elaborate on those guys that you mentioned?

OK, the guys I mentioned:

Mr. Fear - the version I'd go with is Lawrence Cranston. He works really well as an anti-Daredevil. Daredevil is the Man Without Fear, while Cranston is a man who inspires fear. Just as importantly, he can parallel Matt since he's a lawyer who was a law school classmate with him. I think there would be good potential to have Matt go against Cranston and Cranston uses his powers to cause Matt to hesitate or screw up in the courtroom.

Gladiator is Melvin Potter, which we've seen. We see some of the issues of him and mental health. In the comics he uses his inventing skills (technically, he owns a costume shop, but it functionally works similarly) to put on a buzzsaw-clad Gladiator costume. He ends up with delusions that lead him to act in crime and Matt has to defend him in court to show that he's not mentally responsible for his actions and needs medical help, not punishment.

Ikari is very much a parallel Matt, given the same chemicals he was for enhanced senses and a radar sense. He even has a similar outfit as Matt's original yellow outfit matched with his fathers hoodie sweatshirt as a boxer. The only difference is, unlike Matt, Ikari can see just fine in addition to supersenses.

Lady Bullseye is a Hand member who was rescued from gangsters by Bullseye. She's an excellent fighter who is also good at infiltrating and ruining Matt's life because she knows his identity.

Typhoid Mary is just an interesting cool character. She has dissociative identity disorder. Her two halves are very different (deliberately meant to explore the virgin/****e dichotomy and our view of it in society). One is Mary Walker who knows nothing of her other half. The other is Typhoid, who is so different she would register differently on Matt's senses. She is telekinetic, pyrokinetic, and has limited mind control powers with physical contact. She's also a badass with a sword.

 

[KevTravels]

Thanks dude. When I get free time from school and work, I'm gonna hit up the local library and see if I can find some DD issues