Daredevil reboot: official discussion thread

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If you haven't seen the Director's cut, you haven't seen the movie properly at all.

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Agree with all of this, the DC is awesome and Rothman's continued insistence that the theatrical cut is the better film only helps prove the man is a lunatic.

The biggest negatives for me are the very shoddy cg work and Matt making a lot of super jumps and stunts he really shouldn't be doing. I don't hate the playground scene like some do but it is a bit silly.

If you have not seen the DC do yourself a favor and give it a try. A lot of people have pulled a 180 on how they view the film afterwards.
 
I can see Born Again working as a film but only as a sequel. You have to establish the relationships between Kingpin/DD and Matt/Karen first.
 
When I first saw DD I thought it was alright But understood some of the hate for it,Then the DC came out and I checked it out..Was so much better and now I feel it's underrated&that version should be shown on TV often/Netflix&wherever else it can be shown,I showed my oldest sister the DC and I know casuals who have seen it and aren't much into super hero films and they all really enjoyed it!!!

Marc Johnson can be good when he gets to show his true vision,Even Ghost Rider's DC was a bit of an improvement IMO!!
 
what i hate about DD is the casting

they cast ben not because he was a great actor or that he was perfect for the role

but because he was popular
 
what i hate about DD is the casting

they cast ben not because he was a great actor or that he was perfect for the role

but because he was popular

Affleck actually pursued the role because Daredevil was the one comic-book series he bought and followed regularly when he was a kid. He helped fight to keep the costume faithful to the comics when the studio wanted to change it drastically, and helped fight to keep the vision faithful to the comics period. He was very good in the role.
I saw an interview with him at the time of release, on the Uk's top film review show on the bbc, and he talked about how he had to fight to keep the vision true to the comics, saying that there is no point to adapting the character, if the studio wants to change it so much it becomes something else.
 
Exactly I always thought there was alot of heart in Afflecks performance and I can't see aside from the fact that he's Ben Affleck why there is so much hostility to it.
 
Hostility to Ben was because of the over publicized relationship between Ben and Jen
 
hope we get a great actor for DD tho i have hope with the cast FOX got for first class
 
I had a lot of problems with the movie but Ben Affleck's performance wasn't one of them. He did the best he could with some crappy writing. While I wouldn't be opposed to him being cast again, I do think the story could benefit with some fresh blood.

The Born Again storyline, one of my favorites, is a story that was built over time. It was the culmination of a rivalry that was built over decades. DD and Kingpin need a lot more history before anyone should be attempting it.
 
Always felt Affleck was awesome in this. If anyone deserves some hate it's Farrell's cartoonish Bullseye.
 
Hell, I loved his Bullseye too. There's no doubt in my mind that if the DC got released instead of the butchered, Valentine's Day tie-in we'd have at least seen a sequel.
 
Affleck did a good job as Murdock/Daredevil. The issue I have with DAREDEVIL is Johnson's execution of the material in places. For the most part, its a solid film.

I loathed Colin Farrel's Bullseye for the most part. I don't recall Bullseye being that overtly annoyingly craaaazy in the comics. Am I incorrect in that?
 
The Born Again storyline, one of my favorites, is a story that was built over time. It was the culmination of a rivalry that was built over decades. DD and Kingpin need a lot more history before anyone should be attempting it.

They could do it in a second movie and still have the same kind of impact, as movies always condense the stories. Look at the X-Men, Magneto teamed up with them in the second movie and it worked, it *did* feel like a team up of deadly lifelong foes, only after one movie of them being at odds. It felt similar to Magneto teaming up with the X-Men in Secret Wars after, literally, decades of fighting to the death.

edit: Same deal with DD and Kingpin, with these kinds of encounters, all it takes is one to make them lifelong deadly enemies.

Timewise between DD and Kingpin though, it was not decades, it was only a few years between their first meeting and Born Again. Kingpin has been around since the 60s, but he was always a Spider-man villan, he did not meet DD until Miller pit them against each other in the mid-80s, and then Born Again was published in the early 90s. Within the comic-book timeline, that would be even less time having passed, maybe just a couple of years.

I loathed Colin Farrel's Bullseye for the most part. I don't recall Bullseye being that overtly annoyingly craaaazy in the comics. Am I incorrect in that?

He was a very cold, calculating villan in the books, but he would lose his cool and get wound up when fighting DD. Because he was used to being the best, he did not like it when DD would outdo him, so he would get angry in the same egocentric way he does in the film. That was done correctly anyway.
The character was not really done wrong, but there is so much Colin Farrell in the character that Bullseye becomes Colin Farrell, it's not like an actor disapearing into a role, and making him something else, it was Colin Farrell with Bullseye's egocentric traits.

edit: but, y'know, I do like the performance, and I fear I am dissing a good take with faint praise, he *did* play the character well, Bullseye does have a very playful side, so thinking about it more, he/they did actually get the character down, it's just that BE also has his cold, calculating, quietly serious moments too, and we never saw that really.
But, it was a movie, so perhaps there just wasn't an opportunity for those kind of Bullseye scenes in the script. We could definitely get a different take, where he is cold and calculating, but still takes the piss wryly, and explodes into his playful side when he is in action, instead of being playful all the time.
 
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He was a very cold, calculating villan in the books, but he would lose his cool and get wound up when fighting DD. Because he was used to being the best, he did not like it when DD would outdo him, so he would get angry in the same egocentric way he does in the film. That was done correctly anyway.

The character was not really done wrong, but there is so much Colin Farrell in the character that Bullseye becomes Colin Farrell, it's not like an actor disapearing into a role, and making him something else, it was Colin Farrell with Bullseye's egocentric traits.

edit: but, y'know, I do like the performance, and I fear I am dissing a good take with faint praise, he *did* play the character well, Bullseye does have a very playful side, so thinking about it more, he/they did actually get the character down, it's just that BE also has his cold, calculating, quietly serious moments too, and we never saw that really.
But, it was a movie, so perhaps there just wasn't an opportunity for those kind of Bullseye scenes in the script. We could definitely get a different take, where he is cold and calculating, but still takes the piss wryly, and explodes into his playful side when he is in action, instead of being playful all the time.

There are some very good moments. There are just moments that I'm pretty sure he was supposed to be frightening, and it just came off as annoyingly over the top. I just felt he never quite found the balance in general. Like you said, he made Bullseye into him and played him kind of "generic crazy", instead of inhabiting the character.
 
There are some very good moments. There are just moments that I'm pretty sure he was supposed to be frightening, and it just came off as annoyingly over the top. I just felt he never quite found the balance in general. Like you said, he made Bullseye into him and played him kind of "generic crazy", instead of inhabiting the character.

No, I never said that, I said that he played him egocentrically crazy, that's a specific kind of nutball to play, and is a large part of Bullseye's character. I kind of took back part of what I said about Farrell playing Farrell in my edit, he did well with what he was given, let's put it that way, and Farrell had a bit of a crazy past himself, so there was something of his own crazy in there too, a crazy lust for life if you will.
 
What bugged me about the DD movie period:
- horrible lighting in the barroom brawl, too dark, confusing with all the strobing going on.
- DD not having his collar snapped closed for most of the movie (nitpick, I know, but still...)
- JG as Elektra (plus she's a horrible actress)
- CGI was terrible - guy is a normal man so shoulda just done practical effects
- DD jumping across vast stretches from one building to another - he ain't Spider-Man
- Stupid shots like the one where Bullseye kicks out the glass and then stands there catching it for like 10 seconds! I mean how much glass did he kick out?!
- little things mostly but combined significantly detracted from my enjoyment of the film. Hope they do better next time. And hope they still stay faithful to the costume. Maybe even more so.
 
What bugged me about the DD movie period:
- horrible lighting in the barroom brawl, too dark, confusing with all the strobing going on.

I thought that worked to it's advantage, when you have an actor encased in a tight fitting leather outfit, it is difficult to stage convincingly brutal fights. But, with a combo of darkness and strobe lighting, his strikes look as if they carry power.
It's the same problem all of the Batman movies have, and much the same problem was solved in the fight scene from TDK in Maroni's bar, that was the most convincing Batman fight onscreen yet, and it looked the best, as the combo of darkness and strobes covered up much of the fake staged moves, making them all look convincingly real.


- DD not having his collar snapped closed for most of the movie (nitpick, I know, but still...)
- JG as Elektra (plus she's a horrible actress)
- CGI was terrible - guy is a normal man so shoulda just done practical effects
- DD jumping across vast stretches from one building to another - he ain't Spider-Man
- Stupid shots like the one where Bullseye kicks out the glass and then stands there catching it for like 10 seconds! I mean how much glass did he kick out?!
- little things mostly but combined significantly detracted from my enjoyment of the film. Hope they do better next time. And hope they still stay faithful to the costume. Maybe even more so.

I agree about the ridiculous leaps across buildings, I can forgive the opening shot of him falling down onto the window washing things as it looks so good, but the one near the end, where he leaps out from the church to the other building, is pure Spider-man, and is way beyond DD's acrobatics.

eh, I liked Jennifer Garner in the movie, but as I was saying earlier, I'd like to see an Elektra in a reboot who is more of the 'ex-girlfriend who is now a genuine super-villan working for the Kingpin.'.
 
So far this movie is going nowhere. There is more life in Edgar Wright's Ant-Man than in the Daredevil reboot at this point. I fully suspect the rights to go back to MS next summer.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/fox-hires-yet-another-writer-to-work-on-its-darede,73218/
Determined not to let Marvel own all the Marvel movies just because it created the characters or whatever, Fox is still pushing forward with X-Men sequels and even possible New Mutants spinoffs, and long-planned reboots for Fantastic Four and Daredevil, despite the lattermost 2003 Ben Affleck version marking the over-saturation point for comic-book movies for a while. Nevertheless, Fox is still so determined to try again and/or reprise that mutually assured destruction that it's hired yet another writer to draft its Daredevil reboot: David James Kelly, who will take over a project that's already passed through David Scarpa (of The Day The Earth Stood Still remake), Fringe's Brad Caleb Kane, and several stages of anticipation and apathy.
Kelley's résumé includes some unspecified punch-up script work around town, plus a job as a post-production assistant on Sunshine Cleaning, where presumably he regaled Amy Adams et al. with his fantastical vision for how to revive the blind, beet-red superhero, until they asked him to please shut up and get the tapes from ADR already. Deadline reports that Kelly will still be working with Twilight Saga: Eclipse director David Slade and will still be inspired by Frank Miller's Born Again arc, in addition to Fox's need to make this movie before the rights revert to Marvel.

Fox is gonna F-up this good comicbook movie thing we have cause of rushing a movie into production for ego reasons. I can see it
 
Fox half-assing a Marvel property to make some quick cash? Say it ain't so, Joe.
 
This is X-Men 3 all over again.

I hate you Rothman.
 
how are they half assing it

if they did'nt care they would of went though with original script that was reported they were'nt happy with
 
how are they half assing it

if they did'nt care they would of went though with original script that was reported they were'nt happy with

how is hiring a writer for the possible 3rd+ rewrite of the entire script and him being one with an incredibly small and practically transparent amount of writing creds not half-assing it?

If they cared about the film at all they'd have actually made it by now imo.
 
So far the DD sequel/reboot has been passed around between so many directors and now writers that even prostitutes are finding it grotesque
 
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