Daredevil reboot: official discussion thread

[spideyboy_1111]

It's absolutely no coincidence we're hearing DD and F4 news right when avengers is about to be released.

On a possible related side note.... Anyone been to wal-mart lately and seen the avengers DVD floor display? Has all the hulk, ironman, Thor, and cap films as well as marvel animated films. The odd thing I noticed is in the same display they have the fantastic four films as well as new DVD editions of daredevil and elektra (neither are the directors cuts) but Sony didn't place any of the ghostrider or Spider-Man films, fox also didn't place the XMEN films in the display, and nor are any of the punisher or blade films. So it's all marvel studios films aside from DD and F4.. Makes me wonder if there's a correlation and if it's further proof FOX is riding the avengers bandwagon...

 

[roach]

Then you're not one to talk whether or not if i'm biased. I've been around here alot longer than you, have friends in the industry working for the studios and personally feel I know the industry a little better than you at least pertaining to FOX and Tom Rothman's tactics

Maybe not the as much as yourself with script writing, but the politics.... Yes

sometimes people see us better than we see ourselves...if I were the only one saying it then yeah maybe I am being funny or trolling...but more than one person has said the same thing. Sure I don't know all the behind the scenes stuff but I am judging based on how you post.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

^THIS

1st spidey says they are half assing because they are on thier 2nd writer yet thor had 3 and iron man had 4 writers

then claims that if they cared they would of had the movie made already then i bring up ant man being in production since like 06 over at marvel studios but they are prioritizing the others lol yeah sure

but i am sure he cant wait for TASM even with sony's 2 horrible ghost riders films and the abysmal spiderman 3


not very consistent

You have no idea how the industry works. Thor is a horrid example because it was in constant active development and even had a set release date. It's not that black and white. Time + amount of crew changed are both major factors to if a film is actually going to be made. yes, there are rare examples of a film taking decades to finally be made (the bodyguard for instance)

Fox is half assing this not based on one assumption, but because of several.

The DD sequel/reboot has gone through

-3 directors (MSJ, KEVIN SMITH, AND Slade

-3 writers

-fox is about to lose the rights

-Slade just announced last week it was practically at a dead hault and there's no newsworthy information

-they just hired a writer with little to no writing experience pitching a storyline FOX has had pitched since 2003 from several people... From Affleck to miller.

The accumulation of all this is why I believe they're half-assing this film, and why I think the majority on here do as well.

Signs are not pointing very optimistically for this film


It's also very very similar to fox's stance on X3

 

[roach]

three people can pitch the same story and have completely different takes

 

[Project862006]

MSJ and KS might of been attached to a sequel way back when but fox ordered the reboot like a year ago

and always has been david slade as director of the reboot

not like x3 at all x men 3 had a rushed production schedule and ratner came on that project like 3-4 months before it was suppose to shoot

 

[spideyboy_1111]

MSJ and KS might of been attached to a sequel way back when but fox ordered the reboot like a year ago

and always has been david slade as director of the reboot

not like x3 at all x men 3 had a rushed production schedule and ratner came on that project like 3-4 months before it was suppose to shoot

Whether you see it that way or not the make sequel still played a part in the progress of the reboot. Same can be said for spidey 4 playing a part of the spidey reboot.

Sub out director for writer, and yeah... They're very similar. I also wouldn't be shocked if we shortly get a notice saying the fox is going to try to start filming by years end.

 

[roach]

Fox is truly evil...waiting all this time one the project instead of rushing it out and then making the movie that they feel is best for the character...truely diabolical...if only Marvel had a say in all of this

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Fox is truly evil...waiting all this time one the project instead of rushing it out and then making the movie that they feel is best for the character...truely diabolical...if only Marvel had a say in all of this

*rollseyes*
The diabolical side is the fact they're only truly concentrating on it now , as the rights are about to expire.

Add to that they've also got a first class sequel (as well as other reported XMEN spinoffs), the wolverine, a fan4 reboot, avatar and apes sequel.... At the very least one of the two (fan4 & DD) films won't happen any time soon unless rushed.

 

[roach]

*rollseyes*
The diabolical side is the fact they're only truly concentrating on it now , as the rights are about to expire.

Add to that they've also got a first class sequel (as well as other reported XMEN spinoffs), the wolverine, a fan4 reboot, avatar and apes sequel.... At the very least one of the two (fan4 & DD) films won't happen any time soon unless rushed.

from what i understand they renewed the rights to DD

 

[Project862006]

Fox is truly evil...waiting all this time one the project instead of rushing it out and then making the movie that they feel is best for the character...truely diabolical...if only Marvel had a say in all of this

yup if they wait and take their time it means they dont care to get it made but if they make it quick it is rushed lol

they cant win i guess lol

 

[spideyboy_1111]

from what i understand they renewed the rights to DD

Fox has yet to make a press release on it, the proof in which you speak was an entertainment insiders tweet (hardly proof).

Also the rights auto renew if in active production, they don't "decide to" only decide not to. If that makes sense?

 

[roach]

Fox has yet to make a press release on it, the proof in which you speak was an entertainment insiders tweet (hardly proof).

Also the rights auto renew if in active production, they don't "decide to" only decide not to. If that makes sense?

Studios don't make press releases when rights are being renewed...the entertainment insider has more credibility with me than you do

you've seen the contract???
You know all the ins and outs of this particular contract????

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Studios don't make press releases when rights are being renewed...the entertainment insider has more credibility with me than you do

you've seen the contract???
You know all the ins and outs of this particular contract????

Just going by what we know fox's contracts to be with there properties. Along time ago we we're told they get a 6 year window to produce a film or sequel/spinoff or else the rights revert. If they are in active production, then the rights automatically renew. Though so far the rights marvel has all rerequired have not been due to contractual limits. So there's a chance things have changed.

 

[cherokeesam]

*rollseyes*
The diabolical side is the fact they're only truly concentrating on it now , as the rights are about to expire.

Add to that they've also got a first class sequel (as well as other reported XMEN spinoffs), the wolverine, a fan4 reboot, avatar and apes sequel.... At the very least one of the two (fan4 & DD) films won't happen any time soon unless rushed.

What I don't get about your conspiracy theory is this:

X-Men, Wolverine I understand. I understand them wanting to hold onto a *very* popular and profitable franchise.

Daredevil and FF? Not even remotely popular or profitable movies. (Pretty sure FFROTSS, especially, was certified in the red and Rothman lost all interest in the franchise.) What do they possibly have to gain by rebooting unpopular movies....?

"Avengers' coattails," you'll say. How does *that* work, when FF and DD have absolutely nothing to do with the Avengers, with the MCU, or with Marvel Studios at all? They can't even advertise a DD/FF sequel as "BY THE FOLKS WHO BROUGHT YOU THAT BLOCKBUSTER AVENGERS MOVIE."


Doesn't sound "diabolical" at all....sounds dumb. And cost-INeffective.

The *only* reason to reboot either of those movies, from Fox's standpoint, is to try the XMFC approach and go back and try to make a *quality* attempt at the material that the fans can actually support. *Not* do the GR2 thing and (literally) crap out a squeakquel that *nobody* wanted to go see.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

What I don't get about your conspiracy theory is this:

X-Men, Wolverine I understand. I understand them wanting to hold onto a *very* popular and profitable franchise.

Daredevil and FF? Not even remotely popular or profitable movies. (Pretty sure FFROTSS, especially, was certified in the red and Rothman lost all interest in the franchise.) What do they possibly have to gain by rebooting unpopular movies....?

"Avengers' coattails," you'll say. How does *that* work, when FF and DD have absolutely nothing to do with the Avengers, with the MCU, or with Marvel Studios at all? They can't even advertise a DD/FF sequel as "BY THE FOLKS WHO BROUGHT YOU THAT BLOCKBUSTER AVENGERS MOVIE."


Doesn't sound "diabolical" at all....sounds dumb. And cost-INeffective.

The *only* reason to reboot either of those movies, from Fox's standpoint, is to try the XMFC approach and go back and try to make a *quality* attempt at the material that the fans can actually support. *Not* do the GR2 thing and (literally) crap out a squeakquel that *nobody* wanted to go see.

Well the last thing fox wants (especially Rothman) is to let another studio make money off of a former property. Which is honestly why I wish fox would just pull a "universal" with marvel like uni did with hulk. Basically keep distribution rights but let marvel make the film. That way they at least still make money off of a dead franchise.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

ok, just to get talking about the DD reboot direction...this is how i'd like to see the film series go, ideally..

Movie 1: Adapt the 3 part Frank Miller story 'The Kingpin Must Die!", adapt it as slavishly as they did Sin city, it would be not only a great DD movie, but a great Kingpin movie.

Movie 2: Adapt Born again as well as you can, you don't even have to have his secretary give the secret ID away, basically whoever they cast as his girlfriend in movie 1 does it, if that is Heather or whoever, she doesn't have to be a junkie, she can just reveal it to someone when she is drunk(which actually happened in another Miller story with Heather, she revealed it to a crooked DA when she was drunk).
They need to add some in-costume stuff to the start of the movie though, expand on the one panel they show of DD mashing his way through the underworld like a man possessed, trying to find out who is messing with Matt's life.

Movie 3: Have DD's secret ID be revealed to the world, withhim being arrested and put in jail, adapt the Brubaker story "the Devil in Cell block D". Yes, another DD story that has him out of costume for much of the story, but, that could be a good thing, you have more flexibility for action scenes, and it is a nice change from the usual sh flicks, and that is what the genre needs.

 

[OsGom]

ok, just to get talking about the DD reboot direction...this is how i'd like to see the film series go, ideally..

Movie 1: Adapt the 3 part Frank Miller story 'The Kingpin Must Die!", adapt it as slavishly as they did Sin city, it would be not only a great DD movie, but a great Kingpin movie.

Movie 2: Adapt Born again as well as you can, you don't even have to have his secretary give the secret ID away, basically whoever they cast as his girlfriend in movie 1 does it, if that is Heather or whoever, she doesn't have to be a junkie, she can just reveal it to someone when she is drunk(which actually happened in another Miller story with Heather, she revealed it to a crooked DA when she was drunk).
They need to add some in-costume stuff to the start of the movie though, expand on the one panel they show of DD mashing his way through the underworld like a man possessed, trying to find out who is messing with Matt's life.

Movie 3: Have DD's secret ID be revealed to the world, withhim being arrested and put in jail, adapt the Brubaker story "the Devil in Cell block D". Yes, another DD story that has him out of costume for much of the story, but, that could be a good thing, you have more flexibility for action scenes, and it is a nice change from the usual sh flicks, and that is what the genre needs.

I would prefer any Born Again adaptation involve the fall of Karen Paige. Her redemption was very much the path to Matt's redemption in that story. If you remove that you are taking out a very emotional element.

At some point I would like to see Typhoid Mary brought into the mix. I don't think that works with your suggestion of a third movie. In addition, while the idea of him spending an entire film doing his thing out of costume (in prison no less) appeals to me, I'm not sure i would enjoy it as much in the finale of a trilogy, especially since he would be allied with the Kingpin through much of it. I think I would want to see him in custom as much as possible in a finale and settling the score with KP.

That's just my thinking

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I would prefer any Born Again adaptation involve the fall of Karen Paige. Her redemption was very much the path to Matt's redemption in that story. If you remove that you are taking out a very emotional element.

They are gonna have to cut a helluva lot out of that story, Ben Urich's arc as well i should think. I think they will be lucky to get Matt's arc down in any kind of proper way, there is no way you are gonna be able to do the Karen Page arc in the same 2hr movie, just no way, elements have to be sacrificed.
The hero can find his own path without his love interest in this one i think.
edit: or, y'know, you could make it that his gf from the previous movie has become a drunk due to Matt's double id, and adapt it from there, you can't do the same type of arc with KP being away for years, and becoming a junkie, it is just too much for a movie to be ramming that down folk's throats.

At some point I would like to see Typhoid Mary brought into the mix. I don't think that works with your suggestion of a third movie. In addition, while the idea of him spending an entire film doing his thing out of costume (in prison no less) appeals to me, I'm not sure i would enjoy it as much in the finale of a trilogy, especially since he would be allied with the Kingpin through much of it. I think I would want to see him in custom as much as possible in a finale and settling the score with KP.

That's just my thinking

I was thinking to just do part of the movie in prison, and then have him in costume at the end, maybe the last third. It would be very interesting to see him forced to team up with Kingpin right after the events of BA. Sadly, no Punisher though, his guest appearance in that story was pretty good.

I never read a comic with Typhoid Mary in it, as far as I recall anyway,.

edit: I just noticed that poster 'psycho' has started following me into a thread as soon as i log in again, he never posts as i post either, howz it goin 'psycho', you got something to say, or are you just passing a message along from the lying boss and his lying crew by way of your very presence?

 

[Jordacar]

I know all the recent talk is for a film reboot, but I have a totally serious question: What can Daredevil do in a movie that he can't do on a TV series?

 

[Project862006]

^i'd ask batman the same thing

 

[marcvader]

Mainly production value and star power.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I know all the recent talk is for a film reboot, but I have a totally serious question: What can Daredevil do in a movie that he can't do on a TV series?

Make 100 million dollars.

 

[The Overlord]

ok, just to get talking about the DD reboot direction...this is how i'd like to see the film series go, ideally..

Movie 1: Adapt the 3 part Frank Miller story 'The Kingpin Must Die!", adapt it as slavishly as they did Sin city, it would be not only a great DD movie, but a great Kingpin movie.

Movie 2: Adapt Born again as well as you can, you don't even have to have his secretary give the secret ID away, basically whoever they cast as his girlfriend in movie 1 does it, if that is Heather or whoever, she doesn't have to be a junkie, she can just reveal it to someone when she is drunk(which actually happened in another Miller story with Heather, she revealed it to a crooked DA when she was drunk).
They need to add some in-costume stuff to the start of the movie though, expand on the one panel they show of DD mashing his way through the underworld like a man possessed, trying to find out who is messing with Matt's life.

Movie 3: Have DD's secret ID be revealed to the world, withhim being arrested and put in jail, adapt the Brubaker story "the Devil in Cell block D". Yes, another DD story that has him out of costume for much of the story, but, that could be a good thing, you have more flexibility for action scenes, and it is a nice change from the usual sh flicks, and that is what the genre needs.

To me it would make more sense to have a Kingpin vs. Owl gang war as the story for the first movie, rather then a direct adaption of the Kingpin must die storyline. Simply put Owl is a more interesting villain then Kingpin's lieutenants, who are like a plot device then characters in their own right, however Owl is not interesting enough to carry a whole movie by himself, he would work better a rival to the Kingpin then the main villain in a movie. Plus you set up a better contrast between Owl and Kingpin, well Kingpin is calm, cool, collected and cares about his public image, while Owl is a hot head, who has a hair temper, eager to spill blood and doesn't care about his public image. In way Kingpin can be presented as the lesser of two evils. To me that's a better contrast then Kingpin with his rather ineffective and spineless former lieutenants.

Plus I rather see a somewhat original storyline then just an exact retelling of the Kingpin must die storyline, that I can be surprised here and there, instead of knowing the whole story right away.

I would prefer any Born Again adaptation involve the fall of Karen Paige. Her redemption was very much the path to Matt's redemption in that story. If you remove that you are taking out a very emotional element.

At some point I would like to see Typhoid Mary brought into the mix. I don't think that works with your suggestion of a third movie. In addition, while the idea of him spending an entire film doing his thing out of costume (in prison no less) appeals to me, I'm not sure i would enjoy it as much in the finale of a trilogy, especially since he would be allied with the Kingpin through much of it. I think I would want to see him in custom as much as possible in a finale and settling the score with KP.

That's just my thinking

Well I think it would be a good idea to merge Born again with Typhoid Mary's first story, since those two stories are pretty similar. Plus Nuke would be hard to do, considering his past is connected with Captain America, who Fox doesn't have the rights too, perhaps it would make more sense to have Typhoid Mary be Kingpin's main assassin in the movie version of Born Again.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Owl was being pushed as the sequel villain back in the day. Both born again, kingpin and owl actually

 

[Mr.?]

I wish the rights for Daredevil could go back to Marvel because I think Dardevil has great potential for a reboot. FF can burn in hell for all I care, they suck imo.