Daredevil = Underrated

[Daredevil]

it is an alright movie but lets be honest with the source material it should be as good as batman begins

with the character and material it should be great not just alright/decent

It was very true to the source material. Especially the Frank Miller stuff which is in my opinion the best. All they changed was for adaption purposes as well as him killing someone, HOWEVER this is used as a character arc to further the story. Its not like they just through it in there to make fans upset.

 

[kguillou]

I could easily see them adapting Bendis and Brubaker's run into a 3 part movie epic.

 

[Daredevil]

Still though, even though I doubt it would be superior, Reboot>No Reboot.

*Crosses fingers and prays that its not Punisher War Zone all over again*


Also, I personally loved Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin and think he is the only person alive with the build to play him.

 

[BigSams50]

Daredevil is underrated by some. I thought it was a good movie, not perfect, but definitely good. Affleck wasnt that bad, i just cant picture him as a man without fear. Which is one of the reasons why i didnt like him that much as DD. MCD was great IMO. Colin Farrell was awesome too. The suit wasnt bat, i just hated the mask, i thought it looked like they half assed it. But all in all, its one of the better comic book movies imo


BTW, i've never seen the theatrical cut, only the DC.

 

[El Payaso]

I haven't seen Daredevil in ages. I remember that it was much better than I thought it would be and that I thought Affleck did a decent job.

I found the origin story and love story being much more satisfactory than the first Spiderman movie.

Of course you have crap like the playground fight (there was no way that fight could have been any less justified, more forced or looked more fake).

And the villiains were bad for me. I thought Duncan looked great as Kingpin, but there wasn't much more, I didn't end up feeling his character was memorable, even when nothing bad. But Bullseye... ack... that was incredibly bland. At times I couldn't figure if Colin Farrell was trying to look menacing or intentionally funny. And the jokes about him killing flies and grannies were awful, that kind of humour that every director seems to feel compelled to force into superhero movies.

All in all, it was decent, but I really need to watch it again.

And about the director's cut... I don't think that version will ever get to where I live.

 

[david icke]

The only Marvel movie I think are better than/just as good as DD are...
X-Men 1 and 2
Spider-man 1-3
Iron-Man 1-2

DD is better than all the other Marvel movies, it is under-rated.

edit: Bullseye should have been better though, he should have been more like the cold psycho from the Miller books, Farrell was kind of fun to watch though, but he was a bit like the 89 Joker, as opposed to the Dark Knight Joker, the way he should have been, a more mature take, but no less fun.
Clarke-duncan was fine as the Kingpin.
Jennifer Garner was fine in the movie, but she was a bit of a mis-cast as Elektra, you didn't get that exotic, dangerous woman vibe off of her that you should have. She was basically just an average American woman who was very good at martial arts, which is not really what elektra is about at all.
Affleck pretty much nailed Murdock/Dd though, yes, there are probably people in the world who could have done better in the role, but I can't really find anything wrong with his performance. Who knows though, you could think of someone else, and then they would have been worse in some aspect. He did very well with the role, you could tell he had grown up reading the comics and knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[Daredevil]

And the villiains were bad for me. I thought Duncan looked great as Kingpin, but there wasn't much more, I didn't end up feeling his character was memorable, even when nothing bad. But Bullseye... ack... that was incredibly bland. At times I couldn't figure if Colin Farrell was trying to look menacing or intentionally funny. And the jokes about him killing flies and grannies were awful, that kind of humour that every director seems to feel compelled to force into superhero movies.

All in all, it was decent, but I really need to watch it again.

And about the director's cut... I don't think that version will ever get to where I live.

I agree about the Kingpin, in the theatrical cut I didnt really know why he was in it. He is much more important in the Directors Cut and it still has his best scene where he brutally kills his bodyguards.

However, I did like Collin Farewell's take on Bullseye. I thought that he did a great job and delivered the lines quite well.

"You're good baby, I'll give you that. But me... *card "magically" appears* I'm magic. *smiles and throws card, slitting her throat*

I am glad it took so much from the fight in the actual comics. I thought it was quite accurate.

And the director's cut is DEFINITELY a huge improvement. If you liked the first version, you may just love the DC. I'd recommend watching it on your computer through er... questionable means and then deleting it after youve finished watching it. And if you do actually like it then you could import it or something like that.

 

[david icke]

I still REALLY want to read their first ever face off... I just cant seem to find out where it is and in what graphic novel it would be.

They collected all the Miller/Janson stuff into about 3 full colour volumes, I think it may be in vol 2. I was lucky enough to find the original issues quite cheap about 20yrs ago.

 

[david icke]

And the director's cut is DEFINITELY a huge improvement. If you liked the first version, you may just love the DC. I'd recommend watching it on your computer through er... questionable means and then deleting it after youve finished watching it. And if you do actually like it then you could import it or something like that.

there are some annyingly dumb adds to the Dc though, it's not perfect and spoils a couple of scenes that were perfect in the theatrical cut.

when the thug in the subway has his gun to DD's head, in the theatrical cut, we see DD react with blinding speed to the fact he has just heard the bullet enter the chamber, and takes the thug out, so it's a good moment of his super-hearing saving his life.
But in the Dc MSJ adds the thug saying 'See you in hell diablo', *after* the bullet has entered the chamber, and even DD replying 'Not if i see you first', and *then* taking him out, it's so dumb, why did DD wait for him to say that, and then reply before taking him out when he just heard the bullet entering the chamber?!

Also, he added a terrible line delivery from Affleck that kind of ruined the end part of the Josie's bar scene, 'when he says ..'Time to give the Devil his due!', it's about the only line delivery by Affleck that I would say was outright bad, and it spoils the effect of him being a silent avenging angel type, which worked so well in the theatrical cut.

Also, there is a scene that breaks up the sequence when DD has just taken down Bullseye and is going after Kingpin, in the theatrical cut, it goes staright from one battle to the other, but in the Dc there is an unnesesary scene that breaks up the vibe, and the time scale of when and how it happens is wonky. when the Kingpin's aide meets up in the bar with Detective Manolis. now, the Detective was just at the scene with Dd and Bullseye, and the aide was just with Kingpin, and in the time they have taken to arrange that meet up, what has Dd been doing in between taking down Bullsye and going after Kingpin? Stopped in at an arcade to play pinball for a couple of hours? Even apart from the time scale wonkiness, it just breaks up the vibe that was so good in the theatrical.
Another stupid add.

edit: Also, the subplot with Coolio is not up to the drama of teh rest of the movie, it is a little slapstick-y, not very funny, and it being Coolio, a famous celebrity cameo, who just looks exactly like Coolio, no effort in making him look any diifferent, can take you out of the reality of the movie, well, it did for me anyway.

The best cut of DD lies somewhere between the theatrical and the DC.

 

[Daredevil]

there are some annyingly dumb adds to the Dc though, it's not perfect and spoils a couple of scenes that were perfect in the theatrical cut.

when the thug in the subway has his gun to DD's head, in the theatrical cut, we see DD react with blinding speed to the fact he has just heard the bullet enter the chamber, and takes the thug out, so it's a good moment of his super-hearing saving his life.
But in the Dc MSJ adds the thug saying 'See you in hell diablo', *after* the bullet has entered the chamber, and even DD replying 'Not if i see you first', and *then* taking him out, it's so dumb, why did DD wait for him to say that, and then reply before taking him out when he just heard the bullet entering the chamber?!

Also, he added a terrible line delivery from Affleck that kind of ruined the end part of the Josie's bar scene, 'when he says ..'Time to give the Devil his due!', it's about the only line delivery by Affleck that I would say was outright bad, and it spoils the effect of him being a silent avenging angel type, which worked so well in the theatrical cut.

Also, there is a scene that breaks up the sequence when DD has just taken down Bullseye and is going after Kingpin, in the theatrical cut, it goes staright from one battle to the other, but in the Dc there is an unnesesary scene that breaks up the vibe, and the time scale of when and how it happens is wonky. when the Kingpin's aide meets up in the bar with Detective Manolis. now, the Detective was just at the scene with Dd and Bullseye, and the aide was just with Kingpin, and in the time they have taken to arrange that meet up, what has Dd been doing in between taking down Bullsye and going after Kingpin? Stopped in at an arcade to play pinball for a couple of hours? Even apart from the time scale wonkiness, it just breaks up the vibe that was so good in the theatrical.
Another stupid add.

edit: Also, the subplot with Coolio is not up to the drama of teh rest of the movie, it is a little slapstick-y, not very funny, and it being Coolio, a famous celebrity cameo, who just looks exactly like Coolio, no effort in making him look any diifferent, can take you out of the reality of the movie, well, it did for me anyway.

The best cut of DD lies somewhere between the theatrical and the DC.

I agree with the first two and disagree with the last two. The lawyer part of the plot was very necessary and should have been in the theatrical version. The whole directors cut is meant to change the original storyline so that its not about "who got my girl?" and is more about Matt Murdock defending the one person that no one else will and that it will pay off and lead to him finding the biggest fish in the sea, the Kingpin.

 

[MadVillainy]

I liked Daredevil and Im not even talking about the Directors Cut

 

[Daredevil]

I liked Daredevil and Im not even talking about the Directors Cut

Same. I liked the theatrical version a lot when it came out. However the Directors Cut is just so good it is a bit depressing that they edited everything out of it.

I think its pretty sad that ign put this on their list of worst comic book movies of the decade and left out things that were worse.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/106/1069390p1.html

9. Daredevil

Boy gets nasty chemicals spilled on him, loses his sight but his other senses become heightened to superhuman levels and naturally he decides to fight crime when he grows up. There's a great movie desperate to be made out of the Daredevil premise (which is probably why it's in the process of being rebooted), but this 2003 effort isn't it.

Hiring Ben Affleck as the lead probably wasn't a good move, with the actor cementing his reputation as a lightweight thesp with this charisma-free performance as Matt Murdock. However, he wasn't the only guilty party here; helmer Mark Steven Johnson didn't help matters with some slipshod direction of the fight sequences, whilst Colin Farrell's turn as the villainous assassin Bullseye was one of the worst of his career.

 

[david icke]

I agree with the first two and disagree with the last two. The lawyer part of the plot was very necessary and should have been in the theatrical version. The whole directors cut is meant to change the original storyline so that its not about "who got my girl?" and is more about Matt Murdock defending the one person that no one else will and that it will pay off and lead to him finding the biggest fish in the sea, the Kingpin.

Yes, I get that, but the scenes with Coolio were not as good as the rest of the movie, and the court scenes were played for slapstick laughs. All the other parts of the added subplot I have no problem with.
I also think the choice to use Coolio was a bad one, he sticks out like a sore thumb as a famous celebrity cameo and takes me out of the reality of the movie.

I have no problem with famous musicians appearing in drama if they are ingratiated into the piece and act well, I thought LL Cool J was fantastic in his episode of 'Oz'. But here it's like the director and Coolio has made no attempt to make the character anything other than 'Coolio wanted to appear in another superhero movie, here he is acting goofy and looking just like Coolio, Coolio smokes weed in real life, so let's make a whole scene in the court about how he can't remember anything because he smokes weed, isn't he a character and a half?' It's just a bit half arsed and not up to the rest of the film's plot, it's a joke.

 

[Daredevil]

well, I liked Coolio in it.


And did you all know that Avi Arad said years ago that a Daredevil sequel would begin development once rights reverted away from FOX and go to Marvel? Do you think that could still happen? I know it wont get Ben Affleck though, so probably not.

 

[spider-neil]

the director's cut made a MASSIVE difference for me.

one of the few DC I prefer to the theatrical version.

 

[david icke]

well, I liked Coolio in it.

Y'know, he wasn't too bad at performing, and taken on their own out of context, I am being too hard on the scenes. But it's just that the whole thing had an air of a celebrity cameo laff fest, I found it a little jarring sitting next to the rest of the movie. That's the kind of thing that's alright for a lighthearted Hollywood flick, but I don't want it in a Frank Miller Daredevil adaptation.
Imagine those scenes were in a Nolan Batman film, the fans would be screaming no end. Coolio did make it into Batman and Robin though.

And did you all know that Avi Arad said years ago that a Daredevil sequel would begin development once rights reverted away from FOX and go to Marvel? Do you think that could still happen? I know it wont get Ben Affleck though, so probably not.

See, once TDK hit big, Tom Rothman of Fox said in an interview that they wanted someone visionary like Nolan to come in and reboot DD for them. So that says to me Fox will be doing everything to hang onto the rights and make Dd their Batman franchise.

 

[spider-neil]

nolan-ising spider-man definately wouldn't work but I could TOTALLY see it working for daredevil. more realistic and gritty would make daredevil a more compelling and engaging movie.

 

[Daredevil]

In some ways, I feel like Nolan JUST MAY have taken inspiration from Daredevil. It kind of felt that way.

A troubled hero, supportive heroine, final monologue, death of heroine, moral or some philosophical thought in the movie, etc etc
all these things we see in The Batman Franchise .

Pretty similar when you think about it. Further proof of how underrated the movie truly is.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

i personally think, as a character, Daredevil is cooler than Batman...DD could definitely be ANY studios Batman Begins/Dark Knight is given the proper treatment.

 

[Daredevil]

i personally think, as a character, Daredevil is cooler than Batman...DD could definitely be ANY studios Batman Begins/Dark Knight is given the proper treatment.

The fact that no one had the username "Daredevil" until last month is honestly extremely sad... xD

 

[Project862006]

i agree i think making it darker and more realistic is the way to go

someone like a darren aronofsky could do dare devil very well

 

[Daredevil]

Who?

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Daredevil is definitely the most underatted of all the Superhero movies.

I'd easily put it in my top 5.

I especially love that last scene between him and the Kingpin... that's in my top 3 favourite fight scenes in a superhero movie, without a doubt.

Bullseye was amazing, I really liked Affleck, and the story was quite well thought out a delivered.

It beats a lot of superhero movies for me. Fantastic 4, Hulk, Incredible Hulk, Spiderman 3, X-men 1,2 and 3 etc etc.

 

[Iron_Stark]

This movie is definitely underrated. I liked the theatrical version but I love the director's cut.

I also never had a problem with Affleck.

My favorite fight scene is the bar fight scene.

This is one of my favorite Marvel movies.

 

[El Payaso]

In fact I like the "kiss scene" under the rain much more in DD than in Spiderman.