Days of Future Past Days of Future Past News and Discussion - - - Part 48

[Pecola1]

X2 can stand on its own.

Some people think X1's effects are very outdated, but it has a beautiful story. So if you can bear through the visuals, you should watch X1 & X2. Those are by far the best in the franchise with Days of Future Past (and maybe The Wolverine and First Class, but I there are too many issues with the latter). So I'd recommend X1 and X2.

Some may also discourage you from watching X3, but watching that one will let you appreciate DOFP even more. You will understand

Somehow I didn't realise that First Class and DOFP were part of the series, I thought they were the only 2 in a reboot. Whoops. Shows how little I know about X-men right now. Thanks for the advice!

 

[x-er]

You could just watch X2.

The franchise has other films and if you want to watch the "series" then I'd recommend X1, X2, X3, First Class (prequel), Days of Future Past (X4/2nd prequel/reboot = inbetweequel).

You can watch the Wolverine as a bonus before DOFP because that's where it fits, but it's not a team film and doesn't really move the story forward. I would avoid Origins.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't like when the word reboot is always associated to First Class when its clearly not a reboot.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I don't like when the word reboot is always associated to First Class when its clearly not a reboot.

I agree and kind of pisses me off.

Closest to reboot was DOFP.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I have a question, since I can't seem to find either X-Men movies on netflix (only have streaming), and neither are at the library, but I can find the Days of Futures Past at a redbox, should I rent the redbox Xmen2 or do I need to watch the first one first? Does the second one sum up some of what happened in the first one, or is it that big of a deal?

While X2 is my favorate X-Men film due to DOFP as time travel "Reboot" ane
news on Apocalypse I would recommend only seeing FC and DOFP.

The 2 films In series you should avoid are last stand and origins.

 

[psylockolussus]

Still I don't see how new viewers could just watch First Class and DOFP and not get confused by the characters appearing in the future Sentinel setting or the new future. I would feel a bit lost just seeing the flashbacks and the return of Jean/Cyclops at the new future.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think people confuse the ambiguity of the term reboot the term is also used when making a new series that A) rejuvenates the existing franchise B) might start with a new cast, but it also may be in the same continuity, or link to it

it doesn't always mean "starting completely over"

it can simply be about "rejuvenating" a franchise.

Star Trek was a reboot... even though it tied into the old continuity.

the new Star Wars trilogy will be both a Sequel, and a Reboot, since it will rejuvenate the franchise, and bring in a whole new main cast while still maintaining continuity.

Similarly... First Class very much was a reboot.. but it was also a prequel.

 

[psylockolussus]

With that logic, Fast Five was a reboot.

 

[Weather Witch]

First Class was already a reboot because it ignored elements from all four movies in the franchise up to that point. From flashbacks and scenes with Xavier walking (X3, Origins) to Magneto working on Cerebro (X2) to details about the way Charles and Eric meet (X1). It also introduced a full new cast. Then they decided to make Wolverine and they didn't want to lose Hugh and do a total reboot, so they connected the movies instead through DOFP which fixed pretty much all the inconsistenties and kind of made it feel like this was one franchise again.

Now for Apocalypse we are just asked to really ignore the old movies and assume that anything that wasn't shown in First Class or DOFP can now be different. And I am totally fine with that.

 

[marvelrobbins]

First class wasn't a reboot.It's entire marketing campagin hinged on this being back story of Xavier and Magneto.You had recreation of opening scene to having hugh Jackman cameo as wolverine.Reboots don't reference previous films they are now saying didn't happen.

The big problem was Matthew Vaughn put film in both prequel camp as bryan singer wanted and not paying attention to details.Let's be frank here noone in production really cared about matching last stand or origins.Many long running tv shows and franchises ignore what is said In Dialogue about past.X-Men is about only case where so many except them to be perfectly true toe very word said.Hell not even X-Men comics do that.

I will always believe Singer wanted to pull a Superman returns to Last stand and Origins but fox later starting with the wolverine forced them to acknoledge those films.

Now only FC and DOFP matter.And now some who complained about them not be true toe very dialogue said about past wants them to ignroe DOFP and put rogue,Iceman,Colossus,and Kitty with FC cast.Even though the wolverine film is apparently set after future ending of DOFP.

 

[GuestStar2004]

i don't think you can put alot of the blame on mathew vaughn, yes he said straight up that he was only really taking into account X1 and X2 because he hated X3 but in the end most the decisions he made were visual while its likely bryan made the big continuity decisions when he wrote the story

i have always believed bryan singer is the director most willing to retcon previous films for story purposes, even his own films#

 

[marvelrobbins]

Some blame has to be given to Vaughn.

I always believed Singer only wanted to take X-Men and X2 into account but when Mangold wanted the wolverine to be so closly tied to Last stand it forced them to take that into account with DOFP.

Another problem is people just refuse to let go of fact X-Men does what many shows and franchises do ignore lines of dialogues about past.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I always believed Singer only wanted to take X-Men and X2 into account but when Mangold wanted the wolverine to be so closly tied to Last stand it forced them to take that into account with DOFP.

Since beasts involvement in FC could easy have been because of X3 i dunno about that at all

And bryan singer didn't actually hate X3 like alot of people did, Vaughn was the one that hates X3 and changed beasts look probably as a middle finger to X3

 

[X-Maniac]

First Class was already a reboot because it ignored elements from all four movies in the franchise up to that point. From flashbacks and scenes with Xavier walking (X3, Origins) to Magneto working on Cerebro (X2) to details about the way Charles and Eric meet (X1). It also introduced a full new cast. Then they decided to make Wolverine and they didn't want to lose Hugh and do a total reboot, so they connected the movies instead through DOFP which fixed pretty much all the inconsistenties and kind of made it feel like this was one franchise again.

Now for Apocalypse we are just asked to really ignore the old movies and assume that anything that wasn't shown in First Class or DOFP can now be different. And I am totally fine with that.

That's pretty much it.

After all, Singer/Vaughn ignored elements of the original trilogy when they made First Class. Singer is either not very good at honouring continuity (see Superman Returns), or he doesn't care about it. Sadly, Marvel/Disney is a bit better at mapping out the future of a franchise, so poor continuity just gives more ammunition to the Foxhaters...

 

[marvelrobbins]

FC had connections to earlier films.Reboots are Casino royale,batman begins,man of steel,and new terminator.Star Trek 2009 and DOFP are time travel causing reboots designed to try to get fans to believe past establishments of series are still relvent.

Star Trek 2009 leaves maybe enterprise still in cannon except for terrable series finale.Aside from that everything trekkers knew from 1966 to 2002 Is gone.

DOFP leaves only FC.

They never really solved any contunity problems with DOFP.They just erased everything else from 2000 to 2013 except from FC.

I don't understand after DOFP the reasoning to do another wolverine film.It can't be wolverine 3 since origins and the wolverine with trilogy has been erased.And if Hugh Jackman only wants to play wolverine one more time then what's the point of film after most of Jackman's films have been erased.DOFP would have been far better as his final
film since that film erased the non-FC films.

Now with superman returns it was made clear from get go it was ignoring superman III and IV.

I am not going to get Into the studio wars.

 

[X-Maniac]

FC had connections to earlier films.Reboots are Casino royale,batman begins,man of steel,and new terminator.Star Trek 2009 and DOFP are time travel causing reboots designed to try to get fans to believe past establishments of series are still relvent.

Star Trek 2009 leaves maybe enterprise still in cannon except for terrable series finale.Aside from that everything trekkers knew from 1966 to 2002 Is gone.

DOFP leaves only FC.

They never really solved any contunity problems with DOFP.They just erased everything else from 2000 to 2013 except from FC.

I don't understand after DOFP the reasoning to do another wolverine film.It can't be wolverine 3 since origins and the wolverine with trilogy has been erased.And if Hugh Jackman only wants to play wolverine one more time then what's the point of film after most of Jackman's films have been erased.DOFP would have been far better as his final
film since that film erased the non-FC films.

Now with superman returns it was made clear from get go it was ignoring superman III and IV.

I am not going to get Into the studio wars.

A third Wolverine movie is pointless, in my view. Origins and The Wolverine are both erased, so when/where will it be set?

But even First Class contradicted elements of the original trilogy, like when Xavier and Magneto first met. They threw out or ignored certain things even before time travel was introduced in DoFP.

 

[Weather Witch]

FC had connections to earlier films.

Dare I ask what the things directly related to the original trilogy are outside the use of four characters that appeared in the original trilogy and a cameo by Hugh Jackman? Yes it is a story that for the most part could take place before X1, with some of the exceptions I mentioned, but nothing in First Class sets up things for the original trilogy or vise-versa.

Heck it even introduced relationships that flat out weren't there in the original trilogy such as Mystique and Charles growing up together. Other smaller things such as Charles not knowing about Eric's helmet even though he apparently had one since way-back also indicate that the connection between this movie and the original trilogy was not considered to be important when the movie was originally made.

They never really solved any contunity problems with DOFP.They just erased everything else from 2000 to 2013 except from FC.

But they did introduce plot devices that - for example - allowed Charles to walk again and Hank to look human. Things like that could be used to explain inconsistencies we had before regarding those characters. On top of that they obviously tried to tie the franchise together by using clips from all movies, which I actually found rather effective, especially the ones in the scene where Xavier reads Wolverine's mind. Granted that last part didn't actually solve anything.

And they also did smaller things for example have Patrick's Xavier acknowledge the relationship between him and Raven, which helped with connected First Class with the original trilogy as well, but that appears to be more of a fix rather than something that was actually planned.

But even First Class contradicted elements of the original trilogy, like when Xavier and Magneto first met. They threw out or ignored certain things even before time travel was introduced in DoFP.

This.

 

[GuestStar2004]

A third Wolverine movie is pointless, in my view. Origins and The Wolverine are both erased, so when/where will it be set?

They still happened in the events that led up too DOFP so wolverine is still that same personality who was part of The Wolverine anyway even if the events didn't happen in the same fashion in the new timeline

Although its funny how things could have turned out originally anyway since wasn't the original idea when Darren Aronofsky was directing it that it was to have no ties to the X-Men series at all and that it was going to be its own thing?

 

[X-Maniac]

They still happened in the events that led up too DOFP so wolverine is still that same personality who was part of The Wolverine anyway even if the events didn't happen in the same fashion in the new timeline

Although its funny how things could have turned out originally anyway since wasn't the original idea when Darren Aronofsky was directing it that it was to have no ties to the X-Men series at all and that it was going to be its own thing?

So which Wolverine will the next solo film feature?

The future version, after he woke up in his future body in 2023?

Or the past version after he was rescued by Mystique in 1973?

Audiences will definitely be confused if the fans are.

Like I said, a third solo movie is a bad idea.

 

[Weather Witch]

I dug up some quotes regarding First Class from Vaughn and others:

“I was amazed at the negativity, though, towards the X-Men world. Not really, actually, after watching Wolverine. But it was quite scary, I was thinking, "Am I going to manage to turn fanboys around and enjoy it?" I thought, the best way of doing it was trying to make a good movie, which is respectful to the other X-Men movies, but not reverential to them.”

“So, what was more satisfying about this one, was because of Stardust and Kick-Ass, I was far more comfortable about bigger budget, special effects, all that ****. But I loved the idea that I could recast every character, set up a new world, and do my version of an X-Men movie. Because, with X3, ultimately, you're following a trend.”

"I don't give a **** about the other ones. For me, I wanted to do my version, and the version where it's more similar to the comics at the beginning. I really enjoyed X1 and X2. I thought Bryan did a really good job. But I think X3, and then Wolverine, it sort of went off, and the whole superhero genre has been ****ed up by Hollywood trying to- just, big explosions and glossy, corny costumes and outfits."

When Fox offered Vaughn the "chance to reboot X-Men and put your stamp all over it", he first thought the studio was joking, but accepted after discovering that it was to be set in the 1960s. The director stated that First Class would become the opportunity to combine many of his dream projects: "I got my cake and ate it, managed to do an X-Men movie, and a Bond thing, and a Frankenheimer political thriller at the same time".

Vaughn said his intention was "to make as good a film that could stand on its own two feet regardless of all the other films" and also that could "reboot and start a whole new X-Men franchise".

Goldman added the film was kind of an "alternate history" for the X-Men, saying that while rebooting, the writers did not want to go fully "against the canon of the X-Men trilogy", comparing to the various approaches the comic had in over fifty years of publication.

 

[GuestStar2004]

its worth noting there was already a script when vaughn came onboard and vaughn pretty much went with that with a few changes to fit what he wanted to do

in an IGN bryan singer interview in 2011

IGN: How much is the chronology of this film going to link up with the chronology of your previous films?

Singer: I think the chronology works; there are some liberties, but for the most part, it makes sense. The characters make sense. Which is why Beast and Mystique were the only two I could bring back because you don't really know how old they are.

he also talked about why he cast james and michael, why he chose to use the hellfire club, why the 60s setting ect ect

 

[Weather Witch]

its worth noting there was already a script when vaughn came onboard and vaughn pretty much went with that with a few changes to fit what he wanted to do

Hmm that's fair. He was also told by Singer which characters he could and could not use. And he just didn't want to be restricted by the previous film (and I do get that), but it is just a bit lazy.

Things is, it just really bothers me that people now seem to point at Origins and Wolverine for ruining the continuity. Yes I didn't like those films either, but First Class is the one that screwed up the continuity before that it was fine.

 

[kasjan]

No logic people even came here...

 

[EnDz0n3]

its worth noting there was already a script when vaughn came onboard and vaughn pretty much went with that with a few changes to fit what he wanted to do

in an IGN bryan singer interview in 2011



he also talked about why he cast james and michael, why he chose to use the hellfire club, why the 60s setting ect ect

Then you get that interview where Vaughn said he brought Jane Goldman in, with weeks (?) left before production, and the two of them rewrote the script together (basically) from scratch.

And bryan singer didn't actually hate X3 like alot of people did, Vaughn was the one that hates X3 and changed beasts look probably as a middle finger to X3

Vaughn's Beast was, in turn, a middle finger to the audience? LOL

 

[GuestStar2004]

Then you get that interview where Vaughn said he brought Jane Goldman in, with weeks (?) left before production, and the two of them rewrote the script together (basically) from scratch.

all I can remember they had stuff from the magneto script in there and Goldman said they changed a couple of things like a love triangle between Eric,Moira and charles which they got rid of because they wanted to concentrate on Eric and Charles's friendship