Deadpool Deadpool News and Discussion - Part 3

[TheVileOne]

The first, last and only Deadpool review you should read. Of course, it is also spoiler free.

My official review of Deadpool.

 

[Blade X]

Deadpool was always profane, though. Unless the movie wants to bleep the curses like the comics did, that would always be a problem.

the fact hat the comics themselves were NOT profane proves my point. And PG-13 movies can be profane, they just have a limit on how profane they can be.

I would also argue that Marvel CCA-approved comics showed way more blood than PG-13 allows. X-Men comics in the 80s, in particular, were very bloody at times. It wasn't violence for the sake of violence, but that's an area they'd have to tone down for a PG-13 movie.

Those CCA approved 80's Marvel comics did not show a lot of blood and the 80's X-Men comics were not "very bloody". Any blood shown in those comics was censored by coloring it black (like when Deathbird stabbed Colossus through the back). The bottom line is that 80's Marvel made a conscious effort to either censor or depict in as less a graphic manner as possible any scenes of graphic violence in their comics without loosing the creators intent for the stories.

 

[def28]

The first, last and only Deadpool review you should read. Of course, it is also spoiler free.

My official review of Deadpool.

 

[Blade X]

I got nothing in this debate, but just reading the comments it really looks like you're going to cherrypick reviews to justify your opinion.

Of course I am.

My opinion? We have more than enough PG13 superhero movies to choose from. This one wants to let loose and be R? Let it be.

I would have less of a problem with this movie being rated R if it was a "soft R" instead of a "hard R" and aiming for the lowest common denominator. IMO, the filmmakers have taken the obvious cliche and less creative direction for this movie by making this movie overly bloody/gory,profane, and sexually raunchy. This kind of stuff has already been done in superhero movies like SUPER,FAUST,and KICK-ASS 1 and 2.

 

[Sleiek]

97% is very impressive. It should have stayed at 100% though.

 

[Blade X]

She makes a lot of contradictory statements.

What contradictory statements did she make?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Has this been posted?:

http://imgur.com/gallery/2Wziw4O

 

[Sleiek]

I haven't seen that before. That's cute.

 

[Blade X]

Blade X you haven't even seen the film. A PG-13 rating would not have been the same movie and probably would've ruined it.

You keep missing my point, which is that there was no need for this movie to be conceived as an R rated movie from the jump. It's easy (not to mention, less creative) to make a movie based off of just about ANY existing superhero character into a rated R movie (just look at that POWER RANGERS fan film that was made several months ago). I hear selfish narrow minded adult comic fans and filmmakers crying and begging for an R rated superhero film because they don't think that all superhero movies need to be PG-13 (which is a fair and understandable point), but you don't hear those same vocal people crying and begging for more PG rated superhero movies. These same selfish narrow minded fans and filmmakers think that any heroes that use guns or bladed weapons to kill BAD GUYS automatically should be for adults despite the fact that (a) those characters were originally created for and/or aimed at ALL AGES (which includes young kids) and (b) MOST (NOT ALL) of them first discovered those same characters when they were young kids. It's this type of crap that really pisses me off about older teen and "adult" fans (and fans turned comic book pros or filmmakers) of the Marvel and DC superheroes.

 

[Spider-Who?]

This issue of Wolverine was from 1994. Deadpool pretty visibly kebabs Wolverine in this issue not unlike how he does to a thug in this film.

**** yeah. This very issue was my introduction to Deadpool! Can't believe it's been over twenty years.

 

[Blade X]

Seems to me like you are far more concerned with this film making money than the actual quality of the film.

I'm concerned about both of those things, but I also want DP to become a well known and popular character with people of all ages who have never heard of the character.

 

[TheVileOne]

You keep missing my point, which is that there was no need for this movie to be conceived as an R rated movie from the jump. It's easy (not to mention, less creative) to make a movie based off of just about ANY existing superhero character into a rated R movie (just look at that POWER RANGERS fan film that was made several months ago). I hear selfish narrow minded adult comic fans and filmmakers crying and begging for an R rated superhero film because they don't think that all superhero movies need to be PG-13 (which is a fair and understandable point), but you don't hear those same vocal people crying and begging for more PG rated superhero movies. These same selfish narrow minded fans and filmmakers think that any heroes that use guns or bladed weapons to kill BAD GUYS automatically should be for adults despite the fact that (a) those characters were originally created for and/or aimed at ALL AGES (which includes young kids) and (b) MOST (NOT ALL) of them first discovered those same characters when they were young kids. It's this type of crap that really pisses me off about older teen and "adult" fans (and fans turned comic book pros or filmmakers) of the Marvel and DC superheroes.

Why should they be begging for more PG-rated superhero movies? Not sure why it would piss you off.

I don't think any fan thinks all these characters should be for adults. I think fans just wanted a Deadpool movie that wouldn't have to be constrained by a PG-13 rating and since it's a pretty edgy character, a film wouldn't have to be sanitized. Deadpool as a character lends himself to a more outrageous and edgy style than the X-Men and Avengers do. Same thing with Daredevil.

Daredevil started as a lighter more all ages character until Frank Miller revamped Daredevil into a much darker and edgier series. This was carried over to the Marvel Knights line as well. Those became some of the most classic and well known Daredevil stories. Look what happened with that disappointing tonally uneven Daredevil movie. Then look at the new series, a TV-MA Netflix series. It's not really appropriate for kids. But the reason it works is because a lot of the classic Daredevil stories lend themselves to that style.

You are all angry, but I bet a lot of those same fans were annoyed with how dark and violent Man of Steel was, which had Superman snapping Zod's neck.

 

[def28]

The high selling modern books (Way, Duggan, Remender, Deadpool Kills series) and the Deadpool game are the most well known and popular. Deadpool's modern audience knows him as being very violent and gory and that's been a sell for them here.

They expect it to be R, cause that's what they know. It's just as selfish to take away the more mature material that draws them there. Rather people like it or not it's not just 90s comics anymore for Marvel. Adult violence, sex and language is built heavily intro comics with numerous "parental advisory" and "mature" ratings. Especially with characters and teams like Deadpool, Wolverine and X-Force. If the filmmakers are willing to put in those elements because they believe it leads to a stronger film then it's completely fair game.

 

[Blade X]

For this movie to be PG-13, it would have to basically be a completely different movie.

I understand that, but could they tell the same basic story minus the sex and nudity,minus the blood and gore,and with toned down profanity and raunchy humor? Could they have made a completely different DP movies that had the same basic plot, but with sme new and/or different scenes?

 

[TheVileOne]

I understand that, but could they tell the same basic story minus the sex and nudity,minus the blood and gore,and with toned down profanity and raunchy humor? Could they have made a completely different DP movies that had the same basic plot, but with sme new and/or different scenes?

No. That's how we end up with X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

 

[Blade X]

This issue of Wolverine was from 1994. Deadpool pretty visibly kebabs Wolverine in this issue not unlike how he does to a thug in this film.

And there is no blood and entrails hanging out of Wolverine on that cover. There was also no visually graphic and gory scenes RED COLORED bloody scenes or graphic scenes of entails inside that comic. By using your logic, the 6 previous live action STAR WARS films should have not been for kids and rated R because people were getting cut in half,stabbed,and decapitated by lightsabers.

I'm not sure why a select few are so fixated on this film being rated R and whining about how kids can't see it. Deadpool is a dark, violent character. It doesn't really matter if his comic is approved for all ages. The character is known for the edgy circles he is depicted in, especially recent years.

And I don't know why many self older teen and adult fans and creators think that "violent and dark" characters who hang around "edgy circles" (a) can't also be for kids and (b) are exclusively for older teens and adults.

Deadpool is a mercenary and an antihero. He kills people for a living. Whether his comic is for all readers or not, he's not really a "nice" character. He shouldn't really be a role model for kids.

And knowing is saying that he (or any other superhero or fictional character) should be a role model for kids.

 

[Blade X]

Boba Fett barely even talks. What kind of comparison is that?

Because Fett is a cold blooded bounty Hunter who kills people for money and takes jobs from the evil empire, but is also sometimes portrayed as an anti hero.

I feel like anyone wishing that this was PG-13 simply is too young and can't go to the theater. Too bad. Enjoy the other 5 CBMs coming out this year.

Son, I can assure you that I'm more then old enough to watch R rated movies.

 

[Bruce Malone]

If Kelly's DP run was R rated, then the book would have been labeled "FOR MATURE READERS". The book was a CCA approved all ages comic.



If the concept for DP is rated R, then so is the concept for Boba Fett.

Comics even non-specific mature rated comics get away with a lot more than pg-13 movies can especially with violence.

Deadpool has ton of blood and gore in the comics, you can barely have any blood in a pg-13 rated film. Which is why Wolverine has always felt a bit neutered.

So unless you'd be happy with a totally bloodless Deadpool (which sounds sacrilege), then you might as well go R and if you're already at an R might as well go balls out.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's time to move on Blade X. The film is Rated R. It's coming out and nothing you say or do is going to change it.

 

[Blade X]

Why should they be begging for more PG-rated superhero movies? Not sure why it would piss you off.

I'm not saying that they "should" be begging for PG rated superhero movies. I'm saying that they are selfish hypocrites who are always crying about their not being enough R rated superhero movies and wanting and begging for Hollywood to make more R rated superhero movies. They are SOLELY concerned about appeasing their own adult tastes and they act like the only other rating that a superhero movie should aim for is an R rating.

I don't think any fan thinks all these characters should be for adults. I think fans just wanted a Deadpool movie that wouldn't have to be constrained by a PG-13 rating and since it's a pretty edgy character, a film wouldn't have to be sanitized. Deadpool as a character lends himself to a more outrageous and edgy style than the X-Men and Avengers do. Same thing with Daredevil.

And here we go again with the word "edgy" and the phrase "constrained by a PG-13 rating" as if movies with a PG-!3 or PG rating can't be edgy, dark,and outrageous. It's this type of selfish narrow minded creatively bankrupt "either or" thinking that pisses me off.

Daredevil started as a lighter more all ages character until Frank Miller revamped Daredevil into a much darker and edgier series. This was carried over to the Marvel Knights line as well. Those became some of the most classic and well known Daredevil stories. Look what happened with that disappointing tonally uneven Daredevil movie. Then look at the new series, a TV-MA Netflix series. It's not really appropriate for kids. But the reason it works is because a lot of the classic Daredevil stories lend themselves to that style.

And Miller's DD run was still suitable for all ages (although I'm sure that he would have loved to make his run a non CCA approved comic aimed at adults like his ELEKTRA ASSASSIN mini series and ELECKTRA LIVES GN was). And the Netflix DD series could have still worked even if the "mature" content was toned down for a TV-PG rating. And FYI, I liked the DD movie despite it's flaws and some of the casting choices.

You are all angry, but I bet a lot of those same fans were annoyed with how dark and violent Man of Steel was, which had Superman snapping Zod's neck.

MOS was rated PG-13, not R. And you seem to be equating the intense BLOODLESS and NON GORY action scenes in MOS with the intense bloody and gory action scenes found in many R rated action flicks. You're also seem to be confusing the "dark tone" of a movie/TV show/comic with the "mature content" of a movie/TV show/comic. The 2 are not the same thing and do not always go together. For example based on the trailers alone, I would say that the R rated DP movie is a much more lighter and upbeat movie then the MOS movie was. By the same token, I would also say that the DP movie is a more explicitly graph violent movie then MOS was. So I'm pretty sure that a number of (NOT ALL OF THEM) those same selfish adult fans who complained about MOS would have have been perfectly happy if the movie was a lighter upbeat soft R rated movie with lots of profanity,sex,nudity,and bloody and gory action scenes.

 

[Blade X]

The high selling modern books (Way, Duggan, Remender, Deadpool Kills series) and the Deadpool game are the most well known and popular. Deadpool's modern audience knows him as being very violent and gory and that's been a sell for them here.

The DP video game was a commercial sales failure and MOST of those DP series you listed were mid range sellers. And FYI, the DEADPOOL MAX mature readers series sold like crap.

They expect it to be R, cause that's what they know. It's just as selfish to take away the more mature material that draws them there.

Most of the "modern audience" are adults who started reading comics when they were little kids back in either the 60's,70's,80's,or 90's. These are selfish fans who selfishly expect the comics that they started reading as kids to "grow up" and "mature" along with them and to now appeal to their "adult" tastes and desires.

 

[Blade X]

It's time to move on Blade X. The film is Rated R. It's coming out and nothing you say or do is going to change it.

I wasn't trying to change the R rating. I was only objecting to it.

 

[Bruce Malone]

What's your take on my point? You'd be happy with a DP movie with the violence level of the Wolverine films? I.e no blood.

 

[Octoberist]

Blade X, did you name yourself after a character who has appeared in 3 Rated R films? :3

 

[-JKR-]

Ryan Reynolds has been mentioning X-Force quite a lot. In an interview (wich I can't link, F-words!) he mentions it being a priority of his. And for all timeline and continuity freaks, in the same interview he also laughs about "Deadpool being set in another timeline due to the changes in 'Days of Future Past'," saying it was simply conceived as its new, own thing, and that Deadpool would tell 'Days of Future Past' to take its timeline and go f- itself. t:t:t:t:t: