Deadpool Deadpool News and Discussion - Part 4

[Michael Frost]

Well, this sucks.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Hugh Jackman is known as like the nicest guy in Hollywood next to Tom Hanks. I don't believe he'd ever pull this diva act that Reynolds is pulling.

exactly.Reynolds is pulling a diva move.and now I suspect only way reynolds does X-force is r rated now.granted kinberg already hinted X-force may be r rated.a star throwing his weight around over casting of new character is classic
diva behavior.

Cable and domino are likely be introduced In Deadpool 2 to do franchise building for X-force.Reynolds behavior could create a wrench.

It sounds like Miller wanted to do something different from first film while Reynolds is willing to just do more or less the first film all over again.

The rumors that Fox wanted a big name for cable and Miller didn't may have been close to truth but it may have been Reynolds pushing for it and fox is backing him.

 

[Gold Samurai]

What diva act is Reynolds doing?

Waving his star power around for creative influence.

FOX sided with Reynolds against Miller. The rumored dispute between Reynold and Miller was over who should play Cable.


As I said before losing Reynolds would have been a disaster. He IS the face of deadpool.

If Reynolds walked it would be bad. So FOX choose Reynolds over Miller.



BTW what constitutes this as a diva move compared to Robert Downey Jr gunning for Mickey Rourke, justin theroux and Shane Black?

Just curious.

Alot of actors put in their two cents for production suggestions.

 

[-JKR-]

Ryan Reynolds wouldn't have walked, anyway, as he's the producer. But he still should've worked things out instead of being so stone-faced with the guy who helped him turn his pet project into a beautiful reality.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The, "they weren't going to get rid of Ryan Reynolds" thing, is a straw man argument because nobody suggested that there was a chance of that.

 

[def28]

Ryan Reynolds wouldn't have walked, anyway, as he's the producer. But he still should've worked things out instead of being so stone-faced with the guy who helped him turn his pet project into a beautiful reality.

And how do we know they didn't try? The casting conflict rumors have been around for months. I highly doubt this was just Reynolds being angry and getting rid of him over a day. The report leads to this being built up over time, with them not speaking much even during the films release.

If these two were not getting along for awhile or agreeing on things creatively this close to production in two months, how is that gonna help the film?

 

[eon001]

They will go for whoever bends over backwards and will blindly execute whatever Ryan Reynolds has in mind.

To be fair, that's the Marvel formula. And it's worked out great for them so far.
Peyton Reed was the stand in guy for Edgar Wright.
Russo Brothers were tv show directors before Civil War.
Random Game of Thrones director did the 2nd Thor movie.

Sucks that Miller is gone, but a fill in director should be fine. Most of these guys hire 2nd unit directors to do the action anyway like a trained stunt director, so whoever they hire to cover Tim, can worry about shooting the dialogue.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Fox is making Deadpool, not Marvel. Fox does not have Marvel's track record. They plugged in Brett Ratner after losing Bryan Singer and X3 happened. Hell, X-Men Apocalypse came out this year and didn't do too well on the review nor audience front and disappointed at the box office.

 

[-JKR-]

To be fair, that's the Marvel formula. And it's worked out great for them so far.
Peyton Reed was the stand in guy for Edgar Wright.
Russo Brothers were tv show directors before Civil War.
Random Game of Thrones director did the 2nd Thor movie.

Sucks that Miller is gone, but a fill in director should be fine. Most of these guys hire 2nd unit directors to do the action anyway like a trained stunt director, so whoever they hire to cover Tim, can worry about shooting the dialogue.

It's one of the reasons the majority of Marvel Studios' flicks do nothing for me. They lack a director's voice, and come off as commitee-driven and standard.

And stuff about any fill-in director being fine on a movie is-- ugh, I just can't...

 

[def28]

How do films like GOTG, IM3, IM, Civil War and WS lack a Directors voice? The majority of their films are great and even their subpar ones are good fun even when they do run into to trouble. How Ant-Man managed to be a good film after losing Wright last minute is beyond me.

No other studio has that batting average, and Doc Strange looks to continue that.

 

[-JKR-]

How do films like GOTG, IM3, IM, Civil War and WS lack a Directors voice? The majority of their films are great and even their subpar ones are good fun even when they do run into to trouble. How Ant-Man managed to be a good film after losing Wright last minute is beyond me.

No other studio has that batting average, and Doc Strange looks to continue that.

Average is the best word that comes to mind for a huge chunk of their filmography.

You did single out the exceptions, though, and the Marvel Studios movies which I love (except for Civil War). I love Iron Man, Iron Man 3, Guardians of the Galaxy, Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Ant-Man (through which much of Edgar Wright's ballsy take on the character shines through; don't like the scene with Falcon, though - I think it's a real tension-breaker) and really like The Avengers: Age of Ultron (minus the Thor sub-plot which, again, is a tension-breaker and has nothing to do with the movie - even Joss Whedon admitted that he was basically blackmailed by Marvel to put that in).

 

[kevork89]

Ryan Reynolds wouldn't have walked, anyway, as he's the producer. But he still should've worked things out instead of being so stone-faced with the guy who helped him turn his pet project into a beautiful reality.

You are kind of just making an assumption here. We don't know for sure what went down. Maybe they were trying to come to a middle ground and couldn't so Tim walked away. Creative differences happen all the time. Sometimes people can work through them and sometimes people can't. This is the issue now because everyone is thinking Ryan is some big diva who is bad. I don't think either of them are. I think they are both passionate about the project and both have an idea for the direction and can't come to a decision. Also it can't just be a Ryan v Tim thing. There's writers, other producers, Fox who all have a say in it and maybe they were all more sided on one way for the sequel and Tim left.

 

[-JKR-]

When a director delivers a movie such as Deadpool there should be a mutual trust in the Captain to steer the wheel.

Imagine if Warner Bros got cold feet about Christopher Nolan (who still did not have the clout he has today) because of the departures from Batman Begins he took with The Dark Knight.

Imagine if the producers of Terminator 2 told Jim Cameron to just stick to the formula of the original, and not switch Arnie's role around.

Yeah, Tim Miller has one movie under his belt. But he freakin' delivered, and fully deserved to be allowed to bring his vision for Deadpool 2 to the big screen.

 

[LoganGambit87]

we know nothing other than tim wanted a stylized sequel which is nothing to off on i dont even know what that means and this is all rumors anyways

 

[I Am The Knight]

You are kind of just making an assumption here. We don't know for sure what went down. Maybe they were trying to come to a middle ground and couldn't so Tim walked away. Creative differences happen all the time. Sometimes people can work through them and sometimes people can't. This is the issue now because everyone is thinking Ryan is some big diva who is bad. I don't think either of them are. I think they are both passionate about the project and both have an idea for the direction and can't come to a decision. Also it can't just be a Ryan v Tim thing. There's writers, other producers, Fox who all have a say in it and maybe they were all more sided on one way for the sequel and Tim left.

What is this? You're supposed to blindly hate the evil diva Ryan Reynolds

 

[-JKR-]

I'm not blindly hating Ryan Reynolds. I'm a fan of the guy, and have been when everyone would trash-talk him.

But I don't agree with the way Tim Miller was treated on this one. I have certain beliefs when it comes to (great) filmmaking. Sidelining a director and ultimately pushing him out of the pic is not part of that.

Sorry to be passionate and vocal about filmmaking.

 

[kevork89]

I'm not blindly hating Ryan Reynolds. I'm a fan of the guy, and have been when everyone would trash-talk him.

But I don't agree with the way Tim Miller was treated on this one. I have certain beliefs when it comes to (great) filmmaking. Sidelining a director and ultimately pushing him out of the pic is not part of that.

Sorry to be passionate and vocal about filmmaking.

I definitely agree. I am not happy about it either. Right now I just hope they can get someone who is passionate and understanding of the material.

 

[Gold Samurai]

I definitely agree. I am not happy about it either. Right now I just hope they can get someone who is passionate and understanding of the material.

From

"an overpaid tool"

to


" a studio hired yes man"

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

What is this? You're supposed to blindly hate the evil diva Ryan Reynolds

Most of the comments I seen have been a complete dismissal of Tim Miller's contribution to the first film. You have people talking like Ryan Reynolds directed Deadpool, like he single handedly made that film.

 

[JP]

If I think of Vaughn replacing Singer on FC, Singer replacing Vaughn on DoFP, or Matt Reeves replacing Rupert Wyatt on APES, I'm not too worried about the replacement.

They just need to push back the start date.

Vaughn is deep in post-production for Kingsman, but maybe he could still do it?

 

[Web-Head]

If I think of Vaughn replacing Singer on FC, Singer replacing Vaughn on DoFP, or Matt Reeves replacing Rupert Wyatt on APES, I'm not too worried about the replacement.

They just need to push back the start date.

Vaughn is deep in post-production for Kingsman, but maybe he could still do it?

That's what I said when I first heard the news. As long as Reynolds and Fox take their time to find the right replacement, the sequel should still turn out alright.

 

[def28]

Most of the comments I seen have been a complete dismissal of Tim Miller's contribution to the first film. You have people talking like Ryan Reynolds directed Deadpool, like he single handedly made that film.

Are you talking this board?

There was one comment and it was from me, and it was partly being sarcastic since others were trying to act like Reynolds never had a death grip on this film from just about every angle to start with back in 09, and how none of what he contributed mattered in the final picture. Which is just as much hyperbole as saying Miller didn't contribute anything.

Nobody is saying Tim Miller is evil, and there have been more then enough comments here constantly blasting Reynolds for being in the wrong and being a "diva" without even knowing the full extent of the situation.

Every single person who was a fan of the first is clearly let down by this as these two were great. But there are hardly any clear details and we are unlikely to get them as you yourself pointed out.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not just talking about on here.

 

[GuestStar2004]

When a director delivers a movie such as Deadpool there should be a mutual trust in the Captain to steer the wheel.

No that was just a fan fantasy that they were gonna get full on creative control over this vehicle but thats never how it works in these situations.

 

[def28]

No that was just fan fantasy that they were gonna get the creative control keys to do what they want but thats never how it works in these situations.

You know this is about Reynolds and Miller disagreeing and not Miller/Reynolds vs Fox right?