Deadpool Deadpool Spin-off Confirmed - Part 2

[def28]

...but those movies would be mediocre to terrible whether they were PG-13 or R so what's your point?

Pretty much.

Anyone who's read the Joe Kelly run (which is the essential Deadpool) should know very well that the character himself is for the majority written very PG-13 even PG at times. Same with Cable Deadpool. Which fans all love. The biggest issue if it's PG-13 will come with the Workshop.

 

[FrozenBanana00]

I agree. It wouldn't be the same without the rated stuff we're so used to in the comics. Can't remember but was the game watered down or was that rated as well? Either way I hope this movie turns out great. Been waiting since Xmen Origins Wolvrine for this!

 

[def28]

The Game was very R rated. But I think the majority here will always choose Joe Kelly over Daniel Way regardless if Way has the more cursing and violence.

Good writing is really what matters when it comes to the character. As with anything.

 

[Mr.M]

Maybe Marvel had a clause that all X-Men/Spidey flicks had to be PG-13? Definite possibility. We know nothing of the parameters of the deal. Obviously people will throw Blade at me, but I can't buy the terms of X-Men/Spidey being equivalent to Blade.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

The Game was very R rated. But I think the majority here will always choose Joe Kelly over Daniel Way regardless if Way has the more cursing and violence.

Good writing is really what matters when it comes to the character. As with anything.

I'm part of that majority.

Hope Blind Al is in the movie.

Helen Mirren for Blind Al

 

[-JKR-]

You know, I hate Daniel Way. His take on the character has got nothing to do with why I think the movie should be R-rated.

And even in Joe Kelly's stories, Deadpool's always been the kind of hard-boiled character you'd see in R-rated action pics such as Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, or even The Matrix.

An R rating doesn't mean the movie's filled with violence, guts, profanity and sexual content. It just means you're giving a character such as this the right amount of space to breath, and to show him and the story in its fullest potential, without having to down stuff or worry about the kids.

Deadpool isn't Spider-man or Batman. Never been, will never be. He's more on the Punisher side of things. In fact, Jonathan Hensleigh's Punisher starring Thomas Jane is a perfect example: the violence is not too much, nor too over the top, but it's there. There are little peaks of violence which the movie simply needed.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

What rating was the Jane Punisher?

I remember some pretty hard parts like the Russian getting his face burned and I think some arrows penetrating but the ice lolly scene I though was done for a PG-13 cut where a brutal scene was played softly

 

[-JKR-]

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[Whiskey Tango]

You know, I hate Daniel Way. His take on the character has got nothing to do with why I think the movie should be R-rated.

And even in Joe Kelly's stories, Deadpool's always been the kind of hard-boiled character you'd see in R-rated action pics such as Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, or even The Matrix.

An R rating doesn't mean the movie's filed with violence, guts, profanity and sexual content. It just means you're giving a character such as this the right amount of space to breath, and to show him and the story in its fullest potential, without having to down stuff down, and without worrying about the kids.

Deadpool isn't Spider-man or Batman. Never been, will never be. He's more on the Punisher side of things. In fact, Jonathan Hensleigh's Punisher starring Thomas Jane is a perfect example: the violence is not too much, nor too over the top, but it's there, there are little peaks of violence which make the movie simply needed.

 

[-JKR-]

Lots of typos in my post, though. Holy badabing.

I should probably stop typing away like a madman, and give the posts a check before I submit them.

R-rated Deadpool, DAMMIT!

What rating was the Jane Punisher?

I remember some pretty hard parts like the Russian getting his face burned and I think some arrows penetrating but the ice lolly scene I though was done for a PG-13 cut where a brutal scene was played softly

The Thomas Jane Punisher was rated R. The ice lolly scene was simply intended to be lighthearted and fun, to break the tension, and served the story. Had nothing to do with the rating. Castle used the ice lolly on the guy who'd later help him take down the mob. His only intention in that scene was to scare the guy.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Has everyone forgotten how much GOTG pushed PG-13 already? Deadpool will be more or less the same.

 

[-JKR-]

Has everyone forgotten how much GOTG pushed PG-13 already? Deadpool will be more or less the same.

Not the same. Sci-fi versus a mercenary who shoots and stabs people. Demands different kinds, amounts and portrayals of violence.

Like I already said, I think Deadpool should be compared to flicks such as 48 Hours, Die Hard, Predator, Terminator, Lethal Weapon, Total Recall, RoboCop, True Lies, etc. rather than X-Men movies or Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Has everyone forgotten how much GOTG pushed PG-13 already? Deadpool will be more or less the same.

And that's why there are complaints. That's nowhere near violent and vulgar enough to do justice to the character.

Kill Bill is more along the right track as far as the tone and content.

 

[SWAT]

but the ice lolly scene I though was done for a PG-13 cut where a brutal scene was played softly

 

[Spiderdevil]

Pretty much.

Anyone who's read the Joe Kelly run (which is the essential Deadpool) should know very well that the character himself is for the majority written very PG-13 even PG at times. Same with Cable Deadpool. Which fans all love. The biggest issue if it's PG-13 will come with the Workshop.

Also Stan Lee reportedly said that they misunderstood Daredevil in that movie,he wasn't supposed to be dark and gloomy

 

[HIA]

I'm part of that majority.

Hope Blind Al is in the movie.

Helen Mirren for Blind Al

having Helen on this movie would be awesome. If Fox and director get a few A-list actors joinining this spin-off, it could attract a more adult audience too, so, fingers crossed

I just hope they dont sign most of the cast from Expendables, tho, lol

 

[def28]

You know, I hate Daniel Way. His take on the character has got nothing to do with why I think the movie should be R-rated.

And even in Joe Kelly's stories, Deadpool's always been the kind of hard-boiled character you'd see in R-rated action pics such as Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, or even The Matrix.

An R rating doesn't mean the movie's filled with violence, guts, profanity and sexual content. It just means you're giving a character such as this the right amount of space to breath, and to show him and the story in its fullest potential, without having to down stuff or worry about the kids.

Deadpool isn't Spider-man or Batman. Never been, will never be. He's more on the Punisher side of things. In fact, Jonathan Hensleigh's Punisher starring Thomas Jane is a perfect example: the violence is not too much, nor too over the top, but it's there. There are little peaks of violence which the movie simply needed.

Should the movie be R? Of course. But Joe Kelly's run and others definitely prove the character is not restricted by over 17 content. Many of the best stories are just not defined by that.

The footage is even more proof.

I'm part of that majority.

Hope Blind Al is in the movie.

Helen Mirren for Blind Al

She is in it. Agreed on Mirren. That would be awesome.

 

[JP]

I'd love to see someone like Mirren.

And someone like Jay Baruchel or even Christopher Mintz Plasse as Weasel.

 

[-JKR-]

Should the movie be R? Of course. But Joe Kelly's run and others definitely prove the character is not restricted by over 17 content. Many of the best stories are just not defined by that.

The footage is even more proof.

She is in it. Agreed on Mirren. That would be awesome.

You and others are mistaking an R rating with excessive and over the top violence, profanity, drug and sexual content, when it's not. If you were to bring Joe Kelly's, Fabian Nicieza's and Brian Posehn's and Gerry Duggan's stories to the big screen as they are in the comics, you'd have to tone down and cut out a lot of stuff from the action scenes and harder/darker moments. I've even posted visual examples from the Posehn / Duggan run a couple of pages ago.

Something like this can not be shown in a PG-13 rated movie:

And in a movie about a character such as Deadpool, it definitely takes away the oomph and edge from the action scenes and the overall tone. He's not Batman, Spider-man or Captain America. He doesn't fight with gadgets, spider-webs or a shield. He's an old-school, kickass mercenary, who shoots and stabs people to death. Great stuff to sell to kids, by the way......

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Awesome. Love learning that things are comic accurate when you believed they weren't

 

[-JKR-]

Jonathan Hensleigh's The Punisher deserves much more credit than comic book fans will give it. I've always thought it was one of the better adaptations, and a great action-thriller in its own right. As for the changes made and the locations, at the end of movie Frank moves to New York, so fans would've gotten their Punisher story set at the Big Apple with the sequel.

But, well, I hope they're happier with the over the top mess that was Punisher: War Zone. I wasn't that thrilled with that movie, despite Ray Stevenson being a potential good choice (still prefer Jane by much, though) for the role.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I like Thomas Janes Punisher. Only part I didn't enjoy was Travolta and the quirky neighbours

 

[marvelrobbins]

I like Thomas Janes Punisher. Only part I didn't enjoy was Travolta and the quirky neighbours

I liked the punisher.It's a underated film for me.I own the expended version.
I hated War Zone.War zone might be a bit closer to comics but it's nowhere
near as good a film as the Jane film was.

I disagree about Travolta but i see your point perfectly about the neighbours.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The Jane Punisher movie is VERY under-rated, even now I can watch it and still enjoy, War Zone was a joke, Jane should definitely have gotten another shot as Frank.

 

[def28]

You and others are mistaking an R rating with excessive and over the top violence, profanity, drug and sexual content, when it's not. If you were to bring Joe Kelly's, Fabian Nicieza's and Brian Posehn's and Gerry Duggan's stories to the big screen as they are in the comics, you'd have to tone down and cut out a lot of stuff from the action scenes and harder/darker moments. I've even posted visual examples from the Posehn / Duggan run a couple of pages ago.

The Duggan run is easily the most gory. All your examples have been for violence so I don't think I'm mistaking anything. I've read the Kelly and Nicieza runs many times, and there are very little things that would need to be cut out that would make the character suffer. Fabian himself just posted on the matter.

Fabian Nicieza @FabianNicieza · Sep 20
20 years of #deadpool comics PG13 so how does an R give it "soul"? Rambo R + Bugs Bunny PG = Deadpool PG-13 no probs

Again I think it would benefit from an R. But the old school Deadpool comics are not as hradcore as your thinking thy are.