Deadpool & Wolverine Deadpool & Wolverine at the BoX office

I’ll just say this: the one thing I absolutely did not expect from Deadpool & Wolverine was to come out absolutely pumped for reboots of Fantastic Four and X-Men. I have not watched the old Fox films in forever, but seeing all those old characters again reminded me there was some really cool stuff there and yes, it’s way past time we got Storm and Cyclops and Reed and the ever lovin’ Thing back on the big screen. Frankly, this is the first time in the post-Endgame era that I’m actually excited about what comes next in the MCU. Again, did not expect that, and hopefully I’m not the only one.
You're not. I came back from D&W and saw the RDJ announcement and it made me excited. I think this is the turnaround point for Marvel.

I just rewatched Winter Soldier too and I hope Cap4 is on the same level. I think Cap4 and TB are finally going to bring some real stakes. And then FF will setup Avengers which should be good now that the Russos are on board. And then after that we will get the Mutant Saga. So I'm finally optimistic about the MCU again.
 
I’ll just say this: the one thing I absolutely did not expect from Deadpool & Wolverine was to come out absolutely pumped for reboots of Fantastic Four and X-Men. I have not watched the old Fox films in forever, but seeing all those old characters again reminded me there was some really cool stuff there and yes, it’s way past time we got Storm and Cyclops and Reed and the ever lovin’ Thing back on the big screen. Frankly, this is the first time in the post-Endgame era that I’m actually excited about what comes next in the MCU. Again, did not expect that, and hopefully I’m not the only one.
Great to hear. I also hope you’re not the only one. :cwink:
 
So its pretty much guaranteed to cross $1B then it seems, staggering for an R rated movie.

Just goes to show the comic book movie is far FAR from dead, if you make the team ups and characters people want with the right talent behind it they will come out in their droves still. NOW GIVE US THE BLOODY X-MEN!!
Yes, and that needs to be the title. :funny:
 
I’ll just say this: the one thing I absolutely did not expect from Deadpool & Wolverine was to come out absolutely pumped for reboots of Fantastic Four and X-Men. I have not watched the old Fox films in forever, but seeing all those old characters again reminded me there was some really cool stuff there and yes, it’s way past time we got Storm and Cyclops and Reed and the ever lovin’ Thing back on the big screen. Frankly, this is the first time in the post-Endgame era that I’m actually excited about what comes next in the MCU. Again, did not expect that, and hopefully I’m not the only one.
100% this, its been a while since I have been to the cinema to see a comic book movie and the last MCU I did see sort of killed off any remaining interest I had for it off and skipped several movies but I was always going to show up for DP&W even though I had major reservations about a Deadpool movie under Disney with how things have gone for Star Wars under their watch, I was very nervous and at best hoped for a nice end to the trilogy, but it went further than that and now I actually have an interest again in what will come next with the possibilities of things we might now get, granted that might just be because of the genius of Reynolds and sheer damn gravitas of Jackman, I hope what comes next can maintain that new found interest, F4 footage looks interesting enough to me anyway, but at least now I'm willing to give it another shot which I wasnt before. I know it was always said a bit tongue in cheek D&W would save the MCU, Marvel Jesus and all that, but in a funny sort of way maybe for some it actually did.
 
It's not just the Trank film. EVERY F4 fiom has been bad. It's a franchise with a stigma. The new film takes place outside of the MCU and has no bankable stars. It has alot going against.
Isn't that historically the M.O. of the MCU? They don't cast, usually, established movie stars. They become moreso afterwards. Is David Cornsweat and Rachel Brosnahan going to get people to the theater in droves? The ip/ characters are the stars.

The fact they are outside the MCU is a plus for establishing these characters and gives a fresh perspective. Everyone understands they'll eventually be in the MCU, and likely in whatever universe to follow SW.
 
Isn't that historically the M.O. of the MCU? They don't cast, usually, established movie stars. They become moreso afterwards. Is David Cornsweat and Rachel Brosnahan going to get people to the theater in droves? The ip/ characters are the stars.

The fact they are outside the MCU is a plus for establishing these characters and gives a fresh perspective. Everyone understands they'll eventually be in the MCU, and likely in whatever universe to follow SW.

F4 is a damaged IP. No F4 film has done over 350 million, no stars and no MCU influence they can use in the marketing. It's an uphill battle. If the film is good, good word of mouth can carry it through, but it still has to build up it's audience.
 
F4 is a damaged IP. No F4 film has done over 350 million, no stars and no MCU influence they can use in the marketing. It's an uphill battle. If the film is good, good word of mouth can carry it through, but it still has to build up it's audience.
We just have a different perspective, clearly. If you want to discuss it further we should probably take it to the FF forum, lol. I just don't see great relevance in 20 year old box office data, or how films from 10 or 20 years ago will have a dramatic effect on an audience in 2025. It's there to some degree, but there has never been a great adaptation of the material, which is the biggest hurdle for me going forward. Admittedly the RDJ casting is not helping.
 
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I think Brave New World may make decent money, but likely a big loss due to budget. I don't have high hopes for that even as a film.

Thunderbolts is really exciting for me because of the approach they are taking. Much more grounded in feel, more practical stunts, I expect it to be in the vein of Winter Soldier. The mistake being made is I think it should have been an R-rating. I completely undestand why it wasn't, but if we are looking at something in the 600m -700 m range, I think an R rating helps a film in that area with the vibe its going for. It changes the age demo, sure, but that demo is likely to repeat view a film like this (if good) at a higher rate to make up for the loss of a younger demo. It's an extremely undeserved audience appetite in the genre. So basically you get similar box office returns, but the film is even more distinctive.

A great Fantastic Four film, conservatively, easily makes 375m plus in its first weekend. That's extremely conservative from my perspective. Nothing more I can say.
Thunderbolts is the least interesting film out of the 30+ films from Marvel Studios, and the SDCC 24 appearance made it more evident. I simply don't care about seeing Ghost, Taskmaster, Red Guardian, Valentina, Yelena, Bucky and U.S. Agent as a team.

Fantastic 4 is a classic Marvel property, so it feels appropriate that Marvel Studios is launching them into the movies on their own movie even if its the 3rd/4th attempt. Brave New World has Red Hulk to keep me interested and the passing of the Captain America mantle was heavily teased in Endgame.

I have nothing to look forward to Thunderbolts*. I'm a little curious about Sentry but the movie just doesn't appeal to me.
 
Isn't that historically the M.O. of the MCU? They don't cast, usually, established movie stars. They become moreso afterwards. Is David Cornsweat and Rachel Brosnahan going to get people to the theater in droves? The ip/ characters are the stars.

The fact they are outside the MCU is a plus for establishing these characters and gives a fresh perspective. Everyone understands they'll eventually be in the MCU, and likely in whatever universe to follow SW.
True, and at this point Pascal and Kirby aren’t exactly no-names.
 
F4 is a damaged IP. No F4 film has done over 350 million, no stars and no MCU influence they can use in the marketing. It's an uphill battle. If the film is good, good word of mouth can carry it through, but it still has to build up it's audience.
I think that only matters if this new film closely resembles the previous ones, which isn’t looking the case. But yes, they have a lot of work to do and need to get this right. On the flip side, F4 is a genuinely big property underneath amongst fans and people will want to reward it with repeat views if it’s finally the First Family done right.
 
We just have a different perspective, clearly. If you want to discuss it further we should probably take it to the FF forum, lol. I just don't see great relevance in 20 year old box office data, or how films from 10 or 20 years ago will have a dramatic effect on an audience in 2025. It's there too some degree, but there has never been a great adaptation of the material, which is the biggest hurdle for me going forward. Admittedly the RDJ casting is not helping.

Reboots are always affected by previous failures. There's a hard precedent for this. But yes, we clearly have a different perspective. We'll see.
 
Yes,F4 has an uphill battle to overcome. I would like a trilogy from the F4, but the release strategy for that film isn't good. The last 2025 mcu movie in a span of six months and the other two Mcu movies preceding it, aren't exactly huge. Sam Wilson isn't popular yet and no really knows about Thunderbolts. Coming out in the same month as Jurassic World and Superman. The previous F4 movies don't have a good reputation. The movie needs to be great to make an impression at the box office.
 
Reboots are always affected by previous failures. There's a hard precedent for this. But yes, we clearly have a different perspective. We'll see.
Quite correct, but a film moving to the MCU (when functioning correctly) can be a different beast. If this or the next X-Men were outside the MCU the uphill battle would be far harder, and reboot fatigue of more of the same would be a much bigger factor. Just that difference alone gives these upcoming films a novelty value and differentiates them and also serves as a genuine fresh start/clean slate. Also we saw what happened with D&W after many fans had had enough of Deadpool after 2.
 
Yes,F4 has an uphill battle to overcome. I would like a trilogy from the F4, but the release strategy for that film isn't good. The last 2025 mcu movie in a span of six months and the other two Mcu movies preceding it, aren't exactly huge. Sam Wilson isn't popular yet and no really knows about Thunderbolts. Coming out in the same month as Jurassic World and Superman. The previous F4 movies don't have a good reputation. The movie needs to be great to make an impression at the box office.
The release date is terrible for certain. Superman two weeks prior is not great. Although Supes on film hasn't really established himself as a box office goat, I think he could finally hit a billion here. I'm a huge Gunn fan, so I'll be in theaters. That said, even with this crazy release date, if you think FF will struggle to hit 500m ww in 2025 then we are on such different wavelengths the only thing we can do is wait and see.
 
The release date is terrible for certain. Superman two weeks prior is not great. Although Supes on film hasn't really established himself as a box office goat, I think he could finally hit a billion here. I'm a huge Gunn fan, so I'll be in theaters. That said, even with this crazy release date, if you think FF will struggle to hit 500m ww in 2025 then we are on such different wavelengths the only thing we can do is wait and see.
Only 6 movies have crossed the $500 million mark this year (so far)

Dune 2
Godzilla vs Kong 2
Inside Out 2
Deadpool & Wolverine
Kung Fu Panda 4
Despicable Me 4

I don't know where you're getting this confidence for F4 to be hitting half a billion. The likes of Planet of the Apes, Twisters and Bad Boys aren't even close to $450 million.
 
And all of them are sequels too.
For the rest of the year - Venom, Mufasa, Moana, Joker have a big if not obvious chance at hitting the 500 million mark. Out of the non sequels, its probably just Wicked. Gladiator 2 would perform similarly to Twisters - outstanding numbers in North America but not so much in international markets.

The release strategy of Sam Wilson movie - Thunderbolts - Fantastic 4 in that order, is not very wise imo and they even planned to have a 4th 2025 movie which was Blade... If Spider-Man 4/Avengers 5 are being released inbetween those 3, I would say those non-sequels would have better shot at the box office. Brave New World coming after Deadpool & Wolverine might help, but by quarter 4 of 2024 - Venom/Kraven are going to be out, so by the time Brave New World is released, it would be the 3rd Marvel film after D/W. Even if Venom/Kraven aren't mcu, those are still Marvel adaptations.

Thunderbolts* won't go as low as The Marvels (in North America). The Fall Guy which opened this year's summer movie season, outgrossed The Marvels in North America by about 7 million, so Thunderbolts* should at least clear $100 million (and open bigger) in North America when it opens next year's summer movie season.

I am nervous the most about the Fantastic 4. If its "mid" like most of Multiverse Saga, its not going to have legs. And its the one out of the 3 that I want to get sequels in the long run.
 
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Hopefully on the higher end of that range for 2nd weekend.
 

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