Deadpool & Wolverine Deadpool & Wolverine Spoiler Thread

[DyeLorean]

That just sounded silly to me. They were stabbing Deadpool/Wolverine and killed Nicepool but the moment, Peter - which is obviously the friend of the person they were fighting with- shows up, the fight was over and they were suddenly in peace and happy mode?

Everything is silly. It's a comedy, Naked Gun style. It works perfectly for the kind of movie it is.

 

[psylockolussus]

Everything is silly. It's a comedy, Naked Gun style. It works perfectly for the kind of movie it is.

That scene, didn't work for me. I agree to disagree.

 

[X-Maniac]

I saw this last night and it left me with so many questions! The timelines and multiversal positioning just don't add up!

When I had earlier watched The Marvels, the final scene showed Beast and Binary in another universe which resolved the issue of where the X-Men could have been all this time in the MCU movies; the answer being that they are in another universe.

Deadpool seems to exist within the same universe as the X-Men. Colossus and Negasonic help him out and we have seen the X-Mansion and even a brief glimpse of the younger X-Men when Beast closes the office door in the mansion.

So, in Deadpool & Wolverine, we see how Deadpool had tried to join the Avengers in 2018 but was turned away. He didn't appear to cross into another universe to do this. Does this mean then that (a version of) the Avengers exist in the Deadpool/X-Men world?

Then we learn how Logan is the 'anchor being' and his death will lead to the total unravelling of that universe and the disappearance of everyone currently in it, including Deadpool. Okay, but Logan died in 2029, years ahead of the present day Deadpool is in now. We were clearly told it was set in that year. So the death of that reality wouldn't be an issue yet. As we see later, X23 is now much older and no longer just a feral and incommunicative child. (It's been 8 years since Logan was filmed so she is understandably older!).

Then at the end, Deadpool and Wolverine seem to return to Deadpool's original universe (unless I am mistaken) with the older X23 also popping up. So they aren't actually in the MCU reality yet but they may go into it in the future? So, essentially, this was all about reviving Wolverine so that he and Deadpool are ready to transition to the MCU in future? Do i have this right? I feel like I am going insane trying to make sense of what was going on in this film.

 

[DyeLorean]

So, in Deadpool & Wolverine, we see how Deadpool had tried to join the Avengers in 2018 but was turned away. He didn't appear to cross into another universe to do this. Does this mean then that (a version of) the Avengers exist in the Deadpool/X-Men world?

I don't know about everything else, but I think he used Cable's thingy for this.

 

[psylockolussus]

Deadpool applying for Avengers by going through another reality is a bit confusing to me as well. I think its one of the scenes they could have omitted and gave Wade something else for that pep talk about "finding his place". I'm not sure if they invited Jon Favreau to appear in this because he was Fox's Foggy Nelson (as one more connection to the Fox Daredevil era) and that they needed an Avenger joke. But that little side trip to Earth 616 is a bit confusing even to someone like me, who have seen every Marvel movie/mcu series.

 

[PunyGod]

So, in Deadpool & Wolverine, we see how Deadpool had tried to join the Avengers in 2018 but was turned away. He didn't appear to cross into another universe to do this.

Yes he did. The subtitle clearly identified it as Earth 616 (MCU). And then he returned to Earth 10005 (Fox X-Men).

They all return to 10005 at the end of the movie too. Trying to make sense of X-Men movie timelines is a fool's errand so just enjoy it for what it is.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

So did Deadpool go to Avengers HQ when he was time traveling with Cable's device? He was certainly a busy little bee with that thing.

 

[Karelia]

I actually have a question regarding Wolverine's mask. Is it real, or completely CGI'd? I've heard both lol.

 

[psylockolussus]

I am listening to N'sync songs because of this film.

 

[PunyGod]

So did Deadpool go to Avengers HQ when he was time traveling with Cable's device? He was certainly a busy little bee with that thing.

Maybe not part of the same montage but yes he used Cable's watch to travel to the MCU and back. We see him wearing it during the interview.

 

[PunyGod]

I actually have a question regarding Wolverine's mask. Is it real, or completely CGI'd? I've heard both lol.

Combination of both I'm sure.

 

[TheVileOne]

If I can nitpick a little bit, it didn't bug me until after I saw it, but it looked like Deadpool literally broke off a piece of Wolverine's ribcage at the beginning. I get it's a decomposed corpse and all, but it's still adamantium. It didn't look like he got a part connected to a joint or some such. It looks like he broke off a piece from the actual rib cage.

I get it's meant to be a goofy comedic scene, but there. That's my one nitpick.

My second is Wolverine should've tried to slash through the reinforced door.

 

[TheVileOne]

So did Deadpool go to Avengers HQ when he was time traveling with Cable's device? He was certainly a busy little bee with that thing.

I guess Cable's device can travel through universes as well. 2018 was Deadpool's present at the time, and yet how did he get to the Sacred Timeline? Even though the Pym particles can only travel through time and create branching timelines and not alter the original one...

Marvel can never keep time travel straight.

 

[TheVileOne]

I was expecting a bloated Ryan ala Peter B Parker but seeing Peter, in wacky Deadpool world, it made sense. It's Peter and everyone loves him, he's like a Nexus being.

I think them fighting the Deadpool Corps was a gag at how Marvel movies often end their movies with the main characters fighting a clone of minions - Chitauri army, Ultron bots, etc....only ot was Deadpool!

Peter is basically the Deadpool movie's version of Bob Agent of Hydra.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[psylockolussus]

If I have a nitpick, which isn't really a criticism but a change that I would have added in the movie. I would have added more villains from the previous films as part of Cassandra's gang.

-Elektra's Typhoid Mary
-Dark Phoenix's Vuk or the one that whipped his hair
-First Class' Riptide or Angel Salvadore

 

[X-Maniac]

Yes he did. The subtitle clearly identified it as Earth 616 (MCU). And then he returned to Earth 10005 (Fox X-Men).

They all return to 10005 at the end of the movie too. Trying to make sense of X-Men movie timelines is a fool's errand so just enjoy it for what it is.

Ok, well that solves that one then. Thanks for the info. I hadn't realised that Cable's watch can travel inter-dimensionally as well as through time. So he went to the same time but in another universe in a bid to join the Avengers (clearly before the world-shattering events triggered by Thanos)

In order to make any sense of Logan's death being a trigger point, we now have to accept it took place way before 2029, when the Logan film was originally set. X23 is clearly now much older (by 8 years, as she is now 19) when we meet her again so that suggests Logan's death was in the past by some years.

I think they should have thought about all this a bit more but, oh well, it is what it is and all that. It was all just a big way to undo Wolverine's death (in a sense) by bringing a new version of him into the Deadpool timeline.

I'm now wondering which Earth the Marvels end scene with Binary and Beast is in. Is that another X-universe or the same one Deadpool and the new Wolverine are now in?

 

[Charzhin0]

I think I would just remove the scene and just fast forward to stopping Cassandra Nova. Then I would transfer the "new mask, same task" reveal of the Wolverine, to when he came out of the car in the slow motion scene when they arrived at Cassandra's place. The movie already had a big fight scene in the third act, with Blade, Elektra, X-23 and Gambit. While the two leads already had two to three fight scenes earlier in the movie. I am still confused how that Deadpool Corps fight scene, just ended because Peterpool showed up randomly. It doesn't make sense.

I'm also not sure what was the purpose of Nicepool and Dogpool aside from jokes. Human Torch pretty much gave the gist of the Void.

Yeah removing the Deadpool corps fight scene altogether makes more sense actually. I would have given a bit extra time to the main fight scene in the Void. Seeing something like Blade vs Azazel was surreal, they shoulda extended that a little, along with Elektra, X23 and Gambit highlights.

 

[Charzhin0]

Ok, well that solves that one then. Thanks for the info. I hadn't realised that Cable's watch can travel inter-dimensionally as well as through time. So he went to the same time but in another universe in a bid to join the Avengers (clearly before the world-shattering events triggered by Thanos)

In order to make any sense of Logan's death being a trigger point, we now have to accept it took place way before 2029, when the Logan film was originally set. X23 is clearly now much older (by 8 years, as she is now 19) when we meet her again so that suggests Logan's death was in the past by some years.

I think they should have thought about all this a bit more but, oh well, it is what it is and all that. It was all just a big way to undo Wolverine's death (in a sense) by bringing a new version of him into the Deadpool timeline.

I'm now wondering which Earth the Marvels end scene with Binary and Beast is in. Is that another X-universe or the same one Deadpool and the new Wolverine are now in?

Yeah it doesnt make canonical sense, if Logan died in the future then how does Deadpool in 2024 knows about it or even needs to do anything. There was a good article couple of days ago that called it out:

There’s a Big Ol’ Timeline Retcon in Deadpool & Wolverine

When (and where) exactly does this movie take place?

www.vulture.com

 

[AverageMan]

Liked how the end credits clip wasn't made to tie into something else or set something else up - just contained in it's own film.
Evans was very funny & slipping into his Boston accent was great!

 

[psylockolussus]

I always felt Chris Evans was natural as Human Torch and his acting is better for that role. I always thought he didn't have the gravitas as Captain America.

 

[PunyGod]

Yeah it doesnt make canonical sense, if Logan died in the future then how does Deadpool in 2024 knows about it or even needs to do anything. There was a good article couple of days ago that called it out:

There’s a Big Ol’ Timeline Retcon in Deadpool & Wolverine

When (and where) exactly does this movie take place?

www.vulture.com

I can't believe they wrote a whole article about this when it was clearly explained in the movie. At least the comments have called them out.

Deadpool only found out about Logan's death from Paradox who exists outside of time in the TVA. He then steals a TVA phone and uses it to travel into the future to dig up the grave. When he finds bones he then continues traveling to different universes to find a Wolverine. There is no plot hole here.

The only issue is why do Wade's actions play out in "real time" when the TVA is supposed to be outside of time. They can jump to any point in time. But this is always a problem with any time travel story.

 

[PunyGod]

In order to make any sense of Logan's death being a trigger point, we now have to accept it took place way before 2029, when the Logan film was originally set. X23 is clearly now much older (by 8 years, as she is now 19) when we meet her again so that suggests Logan's death was in the past by some years.

Deadpool is kidnapped by the TVA in 2024. The TVA exists outside of time so Paradox showed him Logan's death from the future. The void also exists outside of time so X23 could have been brought there at any time after Logan's death.

I'm now wondering which Earth the Marvels end scene with Binary and Beast is in. Is that another X-universe or the same one Deadpool and the new Wolverine are now in?

Unknown at this time. Given that Marvels bombed I wonder if we'll even see Binary again.

 

[psylockolussus]

Deadpool is kidnapped by the TVA in 2024. The TVA exists outside of time so Paradox showed him Logan's death from the future. The void also exists outside of time so X23 could have been brought there at any time after Logan's death.

Unknown at this time. Given that Marvels bombed I wonder if we'll even see Binary again.

I doubt the post credits for the Marvels was for Captain Marvel 3. Maybe in Doomsday or Fantastic 4 or Secret Wars, we would get a follow up for that scene. They arent abandoning that scene especially its related to the multiverse.

 

[DyeLorean]

My only problem with all is the thing about Anchor Beings and what happens when they die. It's a ridiculous idea in a sea of already questionable ideas related to the TVA.