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Dealing with Depression

I think there are way more people that have experienced depression than not. I don't know that medicine is always the answer though. :shrug: I think getting to the root of the problem and making people face the issue through verbal therapy would be far more helpful. People are seeing regular doctors to get meds, and need real therapy.

Sometimes there is no root to the problem though. One of the big myths is that all depression has a reason, but a great deal of people are severely depressed for no reason at all.
 
Sometimes there is no root to the problem though. One of the big myths is that all depression has a reason, but a great deal of people are severely depressed for no reason at all.
I'm saying that needs to be sorted out before handing out medicine like candy, which is what many doctors are doing these days. For example, I went in for my tonsils and hip pain. I got antibiotics which made sense, and some medicine for inflammation. The doctor said the pain would probably make it difficult to sleep. Gives me a script for sleep medication. Also says the stress may affect working. He gives me another script for zoloft I believe it was. Geez
 
As somebody that's dealt with depression their entire life, and still does every single day, medication is bad. Bad bad bad. I know that it works for some people, that's all well and fine but, I am a firm believer that medication should always be a last resort. Always. I've been put on everything you can imagine and have been dealing with trying to come off of Klonopin for years now to no avail. It's a living hell that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I've been on Prozac, Paxil, Welbutrin, Zyprexa, Trazadone, Elavil, Celebrex, Cymbalta etc. Those are just the anti-depressants. When I started having bad anxiety and heart palpitations years ago they put me on Xanax. Real smart there. Let's prescribe people hard CNS depressants for something as simple as anxiety. Prescribe them to take them every single day, twice a day, for years. And then, let's just take them off of them and since we went to fancy colleges and get to call ourselves Doctor we know that they are lying when they are being put through a chemically induced hellscape like they are some kind of drug addict. Sorry for the rant, sensitive subject to me but I am just firmly against psychotropic medications of any kind. This is all based on my own firsthand experience so take it how you will, I'm not here to judge anybody or their life decisions. I'm just sharing my story and experience in hopes that I don't see anybody else have to go through what I've had to, and still am, enduring. And it's all thanks to medications that were deemed "safe" by doctors and were all taken as prescribed with no abusing of them. Not to say that I never have abused medications, I'm no saint and I had a very rough time as a teenager when it came to pills and substances. I just can't fathom how doctors get away with this stuff. I was put on Ritalin at age 6. That stuff is medicinal meth. That's exactly what it is. Just because something is called ampetamines and leaves the meth part out doesn't mean a damn thing. I mean, people take medications and the side effects are worst than the damn stuff you're taking the meds for half of the time. Not to mention the possibilities of paradoxical and rebound effects or dependency. If somebody tells you that anti-depressant dependency isn't a real thing they have no idea what they are talking about. Plain and simple. I've went through freaking anti-histamine withdrawal. Anything you put into your body that effects and changes your natural chemical makeup can make you physically, and possibly, psychologically dependent. And there is a big difference between addiction and dependency. I know all about both way more than I ever really wanted to, I've conquered addictions numerous times. True dependence is another monster all on it's own. Again, sorry for the rant, just my two cents on the subject of mental illness and psychiatric medication. Based off my own experience, mind you. Not everybody experiences these things the exact same way.
 
I'm saying that needs to be sorted out before handing out medicine like candy, which is what many doctors are doing these days. For example, I went in for my tonsils and hip pain. I got antibiotics which made sense, and some medicine for inflammation. The doctor said the pain would probably make it difficult to sleep. Gives me a script for sleep medication. Also says the stress may affect working. He gives me another script for zoloft I believe it was. Geez

See, this is what I am talking about in my above post. It's way too excessive and it's not right. Nobody needs that amount of medication for a simple surgery. Completely irresponsible on the Doctor's behalf.
 
My depression is caused by medical issues. Serotonin levels are too low and I have OCD (not the BS kind everyone jokes about having) which causes anxiety. OCD and low serotonin can't be cured by "talking about it". It requires medication. I used to think otherwise and stopped taking medicine during my teens and I did ok, but the past few years I dealt with constant fatigue, anxiety, and my OCD got worse and worse and worse until it was as bad as it was when I was diagnosed with it. Ended up having a full breakdown and had to be hospitalized last December. Needless to say I take medication for it now, and I have no plans to stop taking medication for it.
 
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See, this is what I am talking about in my above post. It's way too excessive and it's not right. Nobody needs that amount of medication for a simple surgery. Completely irresponsible on the Doctor's behalf.

That's not excessive. If the person follows the instructions the doctor and pharmacist give him with the medicine it's unlikely to cause problems. And just cause the doctor gave him the scripts doesn't mean he has to take the medicine.
 
It's almost like we have to create our own vocabulary.

Depressed: external causes force you to feel low, as if everything is hopeless. Good exercise, a little therapy, and positive thinking might do some good.
Clinical Depression: a chemical imabalance in the brain that causes extreme sadness, regardless of external conditions. It could be going well, it could be going awful, but you always feel bad. For this, moderate medication might be appropriate.

The same is true for Clinical anxiety and being anxious I think. Also, alcoholism makes it tricky, because it's an external choice (sort of) but it does imbalance the chemicals in your brain. I imagine if it goes on too long, it can go clinical, but if you are able to quit in time, your brain will normalize eventually on it's own.

Personally, I got off the medication after getting in a fist fight with the wrong person. I've been so reserved and anxious all my life, that the feeling of being uninhibited and happy actually made me react to things in a less cautious way... and I didn't much like that.
Unfortunately, the medication game is a delicate situation; it might take several tries with various combinations before you get the right fit.

I do agree that doctors seem to be lazy these days, just prescribing medication off the get-go. It's like, "oh you feel sad like life doesn't matter, okay - here's 50mg of prozac and tell me how you do." Well thanks.

The whole thing can make one not want to seek out the medications at all, which is a shame because some of us actually do need it.
 
That's not excessive. If the person follows the instructions the doctor and pharmacist give him with the medicine it's unlikely to cause problems. And just cause the doctor gave him the scripts doesn't mean he has to take the medicine.

Maybe that particular medication that BatmanVsuperman listed, maybe. But, all you have to do is look up personal testimonials from people all over the place and you'll see thousands of people who have taken medication as their doctor and pharmacist's advised and have become dependent. I know people personally who have taken their own lives because of side effects and withdrawal syndromes caused benzodiazipines and SSRI's. Most doctors want to act like it doesn't exist or that its addiction when it isn't.
 
I mean, if your doctor prescribes you to take 3 10mg Percocets a day and you take them as prescribed for long enough you will become dependent on them. Whether or not its enough to get a person "high" is irrelevant. There's still opioid receptors in the brain getting turned on and when you do that long enough you will get physically possibly even psychologically dependent on the dig without ever seeking a high like an addict. A dude that lives down the street from me is going through almost that exact situation right now. He asked me why his stomach would hurt really bad if he didn't take his Percocet, cuz he's in opiate withdrawal. Plain and simple. Medications, especially psychotropics, effect the mind and body profoundly.
 
I'm really having trouble believing doctors prescribing 3 Percocets a day. If they do, it's a small batch of really horrible doctors.
 
I'm really having trouble believing doctors prescribing 3 Percocets a day. If they do, it's a small batch of really horrible doctors.
Depends. I used to work in a pharmacy and 30mg of oxycodone (the strong part of the percocet -- for anyone who doesn't know the rest is just acetaminophen) a day isn't uncommon -- not by a long shot. The really dodgy stuff is when you see a prescription for 480 5mg oxycodone a month (aka prescriptions from Florida).
 
I'm really having trouble believing doctors prescribing 3 Percocets a day. If they do, it's a small batch of really horrible doctors.

Seriously? I've known people that get 120 a month. I was prescribed 120 Xanax a month for years in my early to mid 20s. 1mg, 4 times a day. Things might be different in other parts of the country but here, they have just now started really cracking down on doctors over-prescribing.
 
My depression is caused by medical issues. Serotonin levels are too low and I have OCD (not the BS kind everyone jokes about having) which causes anxiety. OCD and low serotonin can't be cured by "talking about it". It requires medication. I used to think otherwise and stopped taking medicine during my teens and I did ok, but the past few years I dealt with constant fatigue, anxiety, and my OCD got worse and worse and worse until it was as bad as it was when I was diagnosed with it. Ended up having a full breakdown and had to be hospitalized last December. Needless to say I take medication for it now, and I have no plans to stop taking medication for it.

It's my view there are different kinds of and different levels of depression. My mothers is chemical, mine is more from experiences.
 
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I reblogged that on Tumblr this morning. It was awesome.
 
Responsible drinking has helped me cope with depression.
 
Hi all, this is one of the first times I've posted a new thread. I didn't see any similar threads on the front page, so I thought it might be valuable to some folks. If there is a duplicate out there, my mistake, please feel free to take this one down.

I just wanted to unload my bummers on people I guess. I think a lot of people don't really know what clinical depression is like, but when you have it, so much of life becomes crazy difficult...hazy and confused. Having an alcohol abuse problem doesn't help much either; of course they work together, eating away all my self confidence.

Anyway, I feel like a lot of people with depression just want a place where they can talk without feeling criticized. We can't really talk about it much with people in our regular lives though because it always turns out the same. At first, it's "I'm so sorry, I'll do whatever I can to help." Eventually, they realize that there's nothing they can do and hanging out with a depressed person is...well...depressing. So it turns into, "Why don't you just try to have a good time," or some such thing. But it all ends in self isolation, goodbye friends.

I dunno, it's a weird thing to talk about, but sometimes you just need to say, to hell with it, I feel horrible. I hate myself. Sometimes I want to die. None of those are good things, but if I don't say it (or type it) out loud, I'm just going to say it to myself, and I'm tired of my inner dialogue. That guy really hates my guts. I can't allow it to fester any longer.

One of the saddest parts for me is the guilt. Because the truth is that the cure for depression is obvious. Eat healthy, exercise, devote time to improving yourself, and devote time to being with others. There's a lot of guilt in knowing that you could make the choice to do those things, but it just feels like the mountain is so high... it'd take forever, and I'd probably not make it anyway... so no effort is made to even start. Thus, the cycle of self hate goes on and on. Still, I know there is hope, for me and for everyone who is feeling depressed and alone. Maybe we can help each other a little bit.

If you'd like to post your own insane thoughts, please feel free. They can't be crazier than mine, trust me, and it's cathartic so they say. I'm sure this community will be cool and supportive of all who need help. Cheers all.

I'm not sure if I've ever been depressed for an extended period of time. I'm sure there def have been periods that would have qualified though, most certainly when I dealt with the break up of my daughter's mother. I always seemed to have pretty wild mood swings. One minute I'd be feeling great and the world was my oyster but then all of the sudden I'd have so many things that I wanted to do that I would become crippled by the options since I am indecisive and lazy at times. There have been periods of time that I drank from morning til night and it seemed like the only way I could deal with my mind constantly never shutting up. It always seemed like my brain would constantly play a highlight reel of all my biggest failures and screw ups and I would obsess with them. Alcohol and drugs (especially weed) were the only way I knew how to cope with the insanity that was my mind. I tended to hide it very well though, most everyone who knew me always thought I was this happy, funny guy with a weird sense of humor but in reality I was in a lot of pain because I never truly dealt with my emotions and things that happened throughout my life. It always seemed like inevitably if I let anyone close to me the charade would slowly crack and usually during a blackout I would do something that made that person want to distance themselves from me. I burned a lot of bridges over the years just because I was selfish and only concerned with what I could get from others.

The turning point for me in my life was when I decided to go back to Alcoholics Anonymous. I had got to a point in life that I was in so much pain and that I knew I couldn't continue on the path I was on because I was going to die. My idea of a good Friday night was drinking a bottle of scotch in my room and arguing with people on the Hype or trying to make myself seem like some kind of big shot to a bunch of strangers on the internet because nobody on the Hype could call me on my BS. Once I went back to AA and was willing to do what they suggested things slowly but surely got better. The first 90 days were the hardest, I used any excuse to blow up and get angry since that was the only emotion I was comfortable with. And my mind was still racing all the time. Luckily for me I had a good sponsor. He was someone who had what I wanted in life and he didn't force me to do anything or think any certain way. Over this past year and half he is someone I have complete faith and confidence in. He is someone I can go to with any problem, no matter how f***ed up or weird I think it is and he usually understands because he has been through the same kind of things. On the rare occasion he doesn't have experience we can go to his sponsor or someone else in the program and they usually can help.

The tipping point for when my life got really good was after doing a thorough 4th and 5th step with my sponsor. That was the point I can distinctly remember really feeling a connection to a higher power of my understanding as well as feeling like I had finally found my home in the rooms of AA. It showed me that a lot of the issues in my life stem from underlying fears that I've had and never processed. I never felt like I was part of the "cool kids", I always felt like I had to lie to fit in others would accept me. With AA I found a place where everyone was just as screwed up as I was and they all loved me anyway. Once I got honest with myself and was able to process these emotions and fears that I had bottled up my entire life I was able to find a peaceful place in my mind. My mind is still fast but I no longer obsess about the past nor do I regret it. I realize now everything leading up to this very post I'm writing right now was supposed to happen for one reason or another and I'm okay with that. If something bad happens now or if I get mad at someone else I'm able to pause and find my part in it as well as process it then and there instead of ignoring it nd acting like that will make it better. If you would have told me 1 year and 5 months ago how great my life would be right now I wouldn't have believed you. Honestly, I have people in my life that genuinely care about me and how I'm doing. I've started the process of making things right with my family who put up with my crap for years and it feels really good.

This has been my experience on the topic so I hope this in some way helps you.
 
My depression is tricky because it's something that nobody can notice. Or I hide it pretty well unless you're living with me.

I actually think I might have a bipolar disorder that falls towards depression more so than manic. That was something that a therapist told me when I went into one session (I stopped due to money reasons).

But it stuck with me.

The reason why it stuck with me is because it's based on these waves. Waves of me feeling good..confident and witty as heck. I can be really really funny when I want to be. Then there's another side of me who is standoff-ish and reserved. Kinda quiet and kinda of a wall flower.

It's tough because it feels like i'm battling this duality. Both of those versions are me, but I'm sick of going back and forth on it. There are people who mostly SEES the quiet me, and not the charismatic me, and that's frustrating.

Luckily there is help out there. I just found a clinic that has therapy sessions for 25 bucks, without insurance. There are cheap alternatives out there, you just have to do your research.
 
My depression is tricky because it's something that nobody can notice. Or I hide it pretty well unless you're living with me.

I actually think I might have a bipolar disorder that falls towards depression more so than manic. That was something that a therapist told me when I went into one session (I stopped due to money reasons).

But it stuck with me.

The reason why it stuck with me is because it's based on these waves. Waves of me feeling good..confident and witty as heck. I can be really really funny when I want to be. Then there's another side of me who is standoff-ish and reserved. Kinda quiet and kinda of a wall flower.

It's tough because it feels like i'm battling this duality. Both of those versions are me, but I'm sick of going back and forth on it. There are people who mostly SEES the quiet me, and not the charismatic me, and that's frustrating.

Luckily there is help out there. I just found a clinic that has therapy sessions for 25 bucks, without insurance. There are cheap alternatives out there, you just have to do your research.

I can totally relate to that as well, some days I feel like I can save the world and then other days I just want to lock myself in my room and play around with music and on my laptop all day. I've always felt like the most outgoing introvert to ever live haha. These days I make it a point for me to keep in contact with a few trusted friends and family members. Being able to be honest with them helps me stay centered and I'm much better about not isolating as much as I used to. I do still have bad days but it seems they are few and far between now
 
I can totally relate to that as well, some days I feel like I can save the world and then other days I just want to lock myself in my room and play around with music and on my laptop all day. I've always felt like the most outgoing introvert to ever live haha. These days I make it a point for me to keep in contact with a few trusted friends and family members. Being able to be honest with them helps me stay centered and I'm much better about not isolating as much as I used to. I do still have bad days but it seems they are few and far between now

Yeah it's kinda like my mind is in a glass jar with a lid. Sometimes the lid is open, i feel free. Sometimes the lid is closed, making me more of an introvert.

When I'm my charismatic self and tell people I'm more on an 'outgoing' introvert, people react funny, saying that can't be true.

What are you doing to keep yourself 'in the center'?
 
Yeah it's kinda like my mind is in a glass jar with a lid. Sometimes the lid is open, i feel free. Sometimes the lid is closed, making me more of an introvert.

When I'm my charismatic self and tell people I'm more on an 'outgoing' introvert, people react funny, saying that can't be true.

What are you doing to keep yourself 'in the center'?

Well one of my issues is alcoholism so I'm a member of AA and through working with my sponsor I was able to deal with a lot of emotions and memories that I had been repressing for a long time. By working the 12 steps I feel it gave me a personal connection with a power greater than myself and has armed with a "spiritual toolkit" that helps me on a daily basis. A lot of it boils down to fears. I'm a fear driven person. Fear of not fitting or being "cool", fear of never being someone that another person could love, fear of letting someone in because then they would hurt me, those are some of my biggest fears that I never processed like a well-adjusted adult does for whatever reason. My go-to mode when I get off work is to just chill and my room, get on my laptop and play with music or mess around on the internet. But I got active and immersed myself in the AA community so I have commitments and responsibilities. I get to be of service to my fellow alcoholics and that's what keeps me sober. It has shown me that when I feel like I want to isolate I need to do the exact opposite and reach out to someone. Having a phonebook full of people who will pick up and listen when I call is an amazing feeling. Friends will randomly text me just to see how I'm doing. When I go to meetings I have the same sense of brotherhood I felt when I was in the Navy. Like I said though it's really just about reaching out, if I'm disturbed or not content there is usually something wrong with me that I need to discuss with someone. Once I get it off my chest and out into the open it no longer perturbs me and allows me to continue on with my day
 
Anyone else ever feel guilty about being depressed? Like I have a good house, good family, all these comics, movies, collectibles and opportunities yet I'm still depressed because I don't have any friends and sometimes I feel guilty for being depressed. Anyone else get this?
 
Same thing applies. You're young, what have you got be depressed about?
 

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