Decoding THE MATRIX TRILOGY anyone? Discuss the films here.

[matrix_ghost]

What if any, was the significance of the Oracle offering candy to Neo on numerous occasions? I've always thought about that.

The significance most likely is that the oracle is trying to influence neo .
In terms of programs and software , the oracle is much a programmers who wants peace between mankind and the machines . She knows that so far the architect has a system that is more beneficial for the machines then the humans. After all , mankind is always wiped out after the one reaches the source.
And so she began to alter the course of this version of the one. The candy represents that. She's basically "programming" neo to have more feelings for trinity since she knows that if neo didn't have that , his fate would be the same as his other predeccors.

 

[matrix_ghost]

What was the deal with the Oracle?

I understand that the actress died, but why bother pointing out the new actress by dancing around how/why her appearence changed?

Well most people didn't know that Gloria Foster died. And so you need to come up with a good reason why her appearance suddenly changed for the audience.
IMO it makes sense with the whole idea of computer programs and such .

 

[Flexo]

Well most people didn't know that Gloria Foster died. And so you need to come up with a good reason why her appearance suddenly changed for the audience.
IMO it makes sense with the whole idea of computer programs and such .

I don't think a majority of people would have noticed the change. If they had just ignored the issue they wouldn't have had to include the odd/confusing bit about her changes.

 

[matrix_ghost]

You gotta be kidding me right ...


Matrix 1

Matrix 2

Matrix 3

People would be blind not to notice such a change.

 

[Darthphere]

Most people wouldnt care.

 

[MARVELous M]

^What was their excuse about Oracle's changed appearance?

It was a little confusing, but she said something like she made the choice to help and guide Neo and that resulted in her change. It was something like that...

 

[Kevin Roegele]

............

you must have only watched the credits

Sorry, I meant the Wachowski's didn't come up with the shocking twists everyone was predicting beforehand.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I agree :confused.
The wachowskis didn't come up with anything ? What the hell ??!!??

They came up with everything. They were the ones who wrote the script , they were the ones who supervised the storyboards , they were the ones who fought for the R rating , they supervised the destruction mayhem.
How the heck didn't they come up with anything
Edit :

I'll also respond to what you typed earlier kevin.
There were alot of ideas that many of us ( including myself) wanted to see in the matrix reloaded and revolutions. But those ideas didn't come and so alot of us ( not me ) were not satisfied.
But here lies the question ? Do you then say the movies sucked just because you're ( not you specifically , but everyone ) vision didn't come true ?
Aren't movies basically the vision of directors and the audience are really just spectators judging what is presented on screen.

With Reloaded and definatelt Revoltuions , people are judging the movies so harshly because they had something else in their heads . And they so wanted those things to happen.

I hated the Matrix wihin a Matrix ( MWAM ) theories. Or the multiple matrixes. Both from an artistic and financial standpoint those are wrong ideas IMO. In both cases you'd deceive the audience .

My point is that the sequels contained no real surprises, all the magic was in the original movie and the sequels just tried to outdo the original on a technical level.

 

[Flexo]

Most people wouldnt care.

Exactly.

If you were to replace someone like Christopher Walken, people would notice. Gloria Foster... not so much.

 

[matrix_ghost]

So technically an actor/actress who's performance makes him/her remembered alot , can easily be replaced just because he/she is an unknown.
That doesn't make sense.

Also in response to Majik1387 question :

The exaplanation given about the change in the oracle appearance is that she fully knew that helping Ramakandra ( the indian dude neo sees for a short second in Reloaded and has a good talk in Revolutions) would cause trouble.
But she still went and gave her shell to Ramakandra. Rama had made a deal with the merovingian , where he would give the merovingian the shell of the oracle and in exchange he would secure that the little girl would be able to enter the matrix and essentially roam free. He even went and sekd the oracle for that and which the point the oraclr agreed to give up her shell.
Naturally she found another one.

 

[Darthphere]

So technically an actor/actress who's performance makes him/her remembered alot , can easily be replaced just because he/she is an unknown.
That doesn't make sense.

No, it makes perfect sense. People wouldnt care/notice.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Wow , just wow.
That has to be the most unfair thing that i've read today.

In that case , we should always go on and recast just about every other actor/actress who might've had a break thru performance in a movie ??!!??

Sorry i just don't see that. If it were some dumb scene or just a scene with no dialogue a la the original Pyro in X2 , then you might have a point. But given just how much screentime a character has , and the performance that is given which obviously does leave an impact on the audience ...i just don't see that crap working.

 

[Flexo]

No, it makes perfect sense. People wouldnt care/notice.

The truth hurts.

 

[Darthphere]

Wow , just wow.
That has to be the most unfair thing that i've read today.

In that case , we should always go on and recast just about every other actor/actress who might've had a break thru performance in a movie ??!!??

Sorry i just don't see that. If it were some dumb scene or just a scene with no dialogue a la the original Pyro in X2 , then you might have a point. But given just how much screentime a character has , and the performance that is given which obviously does leave an impact on the audience ...i just don't see that crap working.

What you see working and what reality is, in this case are very different.

 

[matrix_ghost]

No i disagree. Cause i have read alot of things online where the appearrance of the new oracle was in fact presented as a very plausible explanation.
Besides people do care. Maybe where you're at , they didn't care. But where i was they would immediatly spot the difference.

 

[Anita18]

No, it makes perfect sense. People wouldnt care/notice.

I would. I thought Gloria Foster was great, and that her replacement didn't have the same warmth and maternalness as she did.

Anyhow, wheee! I loved the first Matrix, and yeah, the other two sort of overdid it. I still appreciated the story that they were trying to tell, the world that they've essentially created, and the realization that this could hypothetically happen to us (as depicted in the Animatrix) is downright bone-chilling. My tech geek friend even said that technology is evolving so much faster than we are...actually humans have basically stopped evolving. It's only a matter of time before they gain a conscience and then we'll have to figure out what to do then. Hopefully we'll choose wisely...

 

[xwolverine2]

No i disagree. Cause i have read alot of things online where the appearrance of the new oracle was in fact presented as a very plausible explanation.
Besides people do care. Maybe where you're at , they didn't care. But where i was they would immediatly spot the difference.

i liked the oracle that died better......

the new one is a bit meaner and freakier....but there both cool

 

[Sentinel X]

Ive been switching sides to whether I like the sequels or not. Part of me loves them...but the other part of me realizes some flaws people are complaining about.

Either way I think the reason Neo had powers in the real world is cause the real world isnt the real world....Its just another program in the matrix

 

[Sentinel X]

Sorry to burst your bubble but that thing was there before Jesus!!

 

[xwolverine2]

Sorry to burst your bubble but that thing was there before Jesus!!

you say it like jebus was the first human on earth....lol

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Either way I think the reason Neo had powers in the real world is cause the real world isnt the real world....Its just another program in the matrix

That's what a lot of people thought after seeing Reloaded for the first time...

 

[xwolverine2]

That's what a lot of people thought after seeing Reloaded for the first time...

i pity those idiots

 

[matrix_ghost]

i liked the oracle that died better......

the new one is a bit meaner and freakier....but there both cool

I know how you feel. Personally MAry Alice aka New ORacle looks stoned all the time.

Gloria Foster really had that sweet grandma performance .
This one meh.

 

[The Last Meatbag]

One of the things I loved so much about the matrix was that they'd say stuff in the movie that would make some sense to you then, and then the next day you'd be thinking and a bunch more stuff in the movie would make sense to you....



Or maybe that's just me.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Well alot of stuff in the matrix trilogy makes sense to me. And what i like about it is that you can have multiple interpretations and each time it's interesting to see just how many of those things work for some reason.

Being a hindu myself , i really did analyse this from a hindu POV and i saw lots of parallels with my religion.
But then again someone who's more interested in buddhist stuff sees parallels and someone who's interested in greek mythology sees parallels and so forth