Did Sandman and Venom present a greater threat than previous villains?

[Blader5489]

So he is truly indestructable? Unless he comes up against someone like The Pheonix of The Silver Surfer?

Basically, which is why (ignoring the thematic implications) the story ended the way it did.

 

[Barney Stinson]

I dont see how Sandman outclassed Spidey in that scene at all, Spiderman preventing Sandman from getting the money, AND saved the lives of the guards, and suffered NO ill effects from their battle. Sandman didnt even hurt Spiderman seriously, like GG and Ock were able to do. But for a bit of arrogance i think Spiderman would have given a better account of himself in the fight but by no means was he 'outclassed' as you put it.

The fact is, spider-man was rendered useless looking at this scene purely from a combat perspective. Sandman owned his ass. The only attack that worked momentarily was spidey's kick-sweep, which in actual fact didn't make a difference because sandman quickly reformed again. In terms of overall score, sandman won by a lot. Spidey was physically outclassed.

Plus in the Subway fight, Sandman got 4 hits on Spiderman at the most, not exactly a beating.

But those were effective connections that sandman made. He still hot to lay the smack down as opposed to it being the one way fight it should have been, granted spidey had the symbiot on.

But Spiderman wasnt the sole purpose of Ock or GG, just like Sandman, the fact of the matter is with all 3, Spiderman simply got in their way and thats why they wanted to dispose of him. BUT, both Ock and GG had Spiderman on deaths door WITHOUT any help.

[/quote] Wrong. With GG it became personal and he wanted spider-man dead. With Ock, he simply couldn't care less..which imo made his personality all the more dangerous because whether spidey lived or died was of no consequence, he would have lived either way and wouldn't have battered an eye-lid. As for sandman, he was the most moral of the villains as he was doing all he could and did for his daughter as opposed to his own personal gain like the others.

 

[Visionary]

Basically, which is why (ignoring the thematic implications) the story ended the way it did.

Exactly, it's funny how people were saying, what Spidey should have done at the end. When the truth is, he can't do sh:t to Sandman.

 

[jrd550]

With Spiderman 1 and 2, both the Green Goblin and Dr. Ock had presented not only as a great threat towards Spiderman, but to everyone else in New York in General. Yet with Spiderman 3, in my opinion, neither Sandman, Harry, or Venom had presented that same dangerous factor that the previous villains have had. Sure Sandman and Venom had hurt/killed a few cops, but really all we had was a guy that had sand-like powers trying to get money for his sick daughter and a stalker like ex photographer who simply wanted revenge on Peter. Hell, after seeing the bootlegged version of TDK teaser, the Joker presents a much more greater threat towards a city even though he doesn't have any powers. Sam should've in my opinion have escalated the "danger" factor in SM3, hell have Venom threat Spiderman with something saying that if he doesn't do it, he'll kill a certain amount of ppl during a set time. Make Sandman such a threat that just like in TDK, have everyone in New York evacuate the city or something. Does anyone else agree with me on this?

completely agree!

 

[DACrowe]

I'll say the team up obviously served the biggest threat to Spidey as they would have killed him without Harry, but the closest he came to losing was to GG.

So yes and no. Doc Ock served the biggest threat to the city, but Venom and Sandman weren't interested in destroying the city (or somehow inanely taking it over in GG's case). Spidey dead was their goal.

Now was it well executed on screen? Well with some more development and less sight gags, it would have been better.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

So yes and no. Doc Ock served the biggest threat to the city, but Venom and Sandman weren't interested in destroying the city (or somehow inanely taking it over in GG's case). Spidey dead was their goal.

And this is why I argue in favour of Doc Ock. Venom & Green Goblin basically just want to kill people. Sandman is just a bankrobber and anybody he kills is just someone who gets in his way. Ock is going to blow up a good portion of the eastern seaboard.

It is like asking what is the deadlier weapon: a handgun or a nuclear bomb. All of them are threats to Spider-Man personally, but Ock is on a whole different level in terms of the amount of damage he is going to do if left unchecked.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The fact is, spider-man was rendered useless looking at this scene purely from a combat perspective. Sandman owned his ass. The only attack that worked momentarily was spidey's kick-sweep, which in actual fact didn't make a difference because sandman quickly reformed again. In terms of overall score, sandman won by a lot. Spidey was physically outclassed.

Sorry i dont agree, Spidey stopped Sandman from robbing the money, and saved the lives of the truck guards, and suffered NO ill effects from anything Sandman did to him, Sandman had the better of the fight, but Spiderman came out with the most success.

But those were effective connections that sandman made. He still hot to lay the smack down as opposed to it being the one way fight it should have been, granted spidey had the symbiot on.

They werent effective connections though, NON of Sandman's hits in that fight stopped Spiderman for more than 2 or 3 seconds. Sandman cried out in pain 3 or 4 times during that fight, were as Spidey barely cried out at all.

Even when Spiderman was punched into the train by Sandman, Symbiote Spiderman came STRAIGHT back with a punch that knocked half of Sandman's face off. I dont care what you say Symbiote Spiderman won that fight rather easily for me.

Wrong. With GG it became personal and he wanted spider-man dead. With Ock, he simply couldn't care less..which imo made his personality all the more dangerous because whether spidey lived or died was of no consequence, he would have lived either way and wouldn't have battered an eye-lid. As for sandman, he was the most moral of the villains as he was doing all he could and did for his daughter as opposed to his own personal gain like the others.[/QUOTE]

With GG it only became personal once Spiderman stood in his way, initially, Spiderman wasnt even in his thoughts before the times square fight. Ock simply wanted to get on with his experiment, he only became involved with Spiderman once Harry made the deal with him.

Same with Sandman, initially, Spiderman just got it in his way, so in the end, he decided to try and destroy him.

 

[Spider-Bat]

I don't think they were all that threatening. I just didn't get that feeling, even though Sandman was able to do so much. But how do you fear a bad guy who can't get wet.

Venom didn't get the respect he deserved. And I couldn't feel threatened by him when they kept showing topher's face doing the same character he always does, Eric Foreman. That's all he did was that cheesy Eric voice.

Ock and Goblin were better villians. Even new Goblin was better.

Venom should have had his own movie.

 

[Visionary]

Venom should have had his own movie.

No he shouldn't.

 

[Barney Stinson]

Sorry i dont agree, Spidey stopped Sandman from robbing the money, and saved the lives of the truck guards, and suffered NO ill effects from anything Sandman did to him, Sandman had the better of the fight, but Spiderman came out with the most success.



They werent effective connections though, NON of Sandman's hits in that fight stopped Spiderman for more than 2 or 3 seconds. Sandman cried out in pain 3 or 4 times during that fight, were as Spidey barely cried out at all.

Even when Spiderman was punched into the train by Sandman, Symbiote Spiderman came STRAIGHT back with a punch that knocked half of Sandman's face off. I dont care what you say Symbiote Spiderman won that fight rather easily for me.

Wrong. With GG it became personal and he wanted spider-man dead. With Ock, he simply couldn't care less..which imo made his personality all the more dangerous because whether spidey lived or died was of no consequence, he would have lived either way and wouldn't have battered an eye-lid. As for sandman, he was the most moral of the villains as he was doing all he could and did for his daughter as opposed to his own personal gain like the others.

With GG it only became personal once Spiderman stood in his way, initially, Spiderman wasnt even in his thoughts before the times square fight. Ock simply wanted to get on with his experiment, he only became involved with Spiderman once Harry made the deal with him.

Same with Sandman, initially, Spiderman just got it in his way, so in the end, he decided to try and destroy him.

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