Did Sandman and Venom present a greater threat than previous villains?

[Stevens25]

That's what I was thinking too. Somebody needs to restart the story of Eddie Brock/Venom and flesh him out a bit more. For example,give him a bit more reasons for hating Spider-man/Peter Parker. Let's say,he has a wife who was killed because Spider-man couldn't save her in time or something like that,and I've always liked that idea of Eddie as a struggling photographer who became desperate and used faked pics of Spidey(from the film). He needs to make a huge impact for alot of his "haters" to start respecting him a bit more. Green Goblin is always known to have killed Ptere's first love,Gwen Stacy. Venom needs to make an impact like that. Have him kill Aunt May or even Mary Jane. I do like the creepy stalking as well. The symbiote transformed Brock into a murdering monster,but even before that I want to see that Eddie Brock wasn't all there to begin with.

 

[I Am The Knight]

That's what I was thinking too. Somebody needs to restart the story of Eddie Brock/Venom and flesh him out a bit more. For example,give him a bit more reasons for hating Spider-man/Peter Parker. Let's say,he has a wife who was killed because Spider-man couldn't save her in time or something like that,and I've always liked that idea of Eddie as a struggling photographer who became desperate and used faked pics of Spidey(from the film). He needs to make a huge impact for alot of his "haters" to start respecting him a bit more. Green Goblin is always known to have killed Ptere's first love,Gwen Stacy. Venom needs to make an impact like that. Have him kill Aunt May or even Mary Jane. I do like the creepy stalking as well. The symbiote transformed Brock into a murdering monster,but even before that I want to see that Eddie Brock wasn't all there to begin with.

I think that's a bit much. I like your first suggestion though.

 

[omid17]

That's nothing compared to what Doc Ock and Green Goblin did to achieve their goals. They had no problem hurting and killing people to get what they wanted. Especially Goblin, who's plan required the murder of his competitors.

Sandman was very tame. He even told Spidey he did not want to hurt him and asked him to leave when they first met. He was a ***** cat.



Ock and Goblin did that, too. How does that make Venom a bigger threat than them?



So did Ock and Goblin.



Not really, because Norman had another agenda besides getting Spider-Man. The attack on Times Square and the Quest bunker are proof of that.

Venom and Sandman didn't come anywhere close to that kind of glorious evil and destruction.



Neither was Sandman and Venom.



Doc Ock's goal wasn't money. He wanted to rebuild his reactor of doom. And, that required money. If Ock succeeded, the city would be destroyed.



But, you're wrong.

nice

 

[omid17]

Exactly. Out of the people who came closest to actually killing Spider-Man, it was definitely Ock.

disagree, imo GG, not only did he kidnap mj, he ****ing shot a missile at aunt mays house,causing Aunt MAY to freak out really bad, i mean **** i would too

 

[November Rain]

Sigh…some humans will never learn…


I don’t blame the dog for being stupid. Emotions, instincts and intelligence are three completely different things.
Egoism and selfishness does not make one necessarily malicious either.

So in terms of malicious intent Green Goblin has my vote.
In terms of most physical damage GG, Doc Ock and Sandman are all the same to me.
And in terms of killing spree Green Goblin wins again.
There’s not enough of Venom to qualify him in anything. To elevate him above the other villains that is.
I don’t count Harry because he was just having a domestic dispute with Peter.

In terms of inability to defeat, sandman comes out on top...

What's more threatening than someone you can't stop. his best efforts really came down to nothing.

He was drowned, burnt, exploded, punched, kicked, ground against a train.

and he prevailed.

And that's him still with a conscience, imagine if he was actually malicious.

Dude is definitely a big time 'potential' threat (even if you don't think he is because he apologised )

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

True, but I believe we must take into consideration the spiritual state of the subject as well. For it can be both, a liability and an advantage.
Surely everyone and everything has potential but we are judging them only by their current record.
Spider-Man has the potential to be a super villain just as well and the black suit proved that. Yet he's not because he has strength of heart.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I have a lot of respect for Spider-Man in the movies because he was just an average geek & wasn't even trying to be famous for saving people. He just was doing what he felt in his heart was right by putting an end to as much crime as he could.

 

[November Rain]

True, but I believe we must take into consideration the spiritual state of the subject as well. For it can be both, a liability and an advantage.
Surely everyone and everything has potential but we are judging them only by their current record.
Spider-Man has the potential to be a super villain just as well and the black suit proved that. Yet he's not because he has strength of heart.

ah, spidey was never a supervillain in the films with the black costume

he still performed his spidey duties and the public still loved him even though his methods were slightly harder. He just had a 'punisher-esque' line of toleration towards people that personally did him wrong such as harry and sandman. Even with harry, the exploding bomb act was completely provoked by him throwing it at peter first.

 

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, that's all true but for a minute you can clearly see that Peter was nearly driven to the dark side by the symbiote. It was cool to see him in between good & evil & the symbiote trying to force him to give completely into the dark side.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

ah, spidey was never a supervillain in the films with the black costume

he still performed his spidey duties and the public still loved him even though his methods were slightly harder. He just had a 'punisher-esque' line of toleration towards people that personally did him wrong such as harry and sandman. Even with harry, the exploding bomb act was completely provoked by him throwing it at peter first.

Sure enough but that's not the topic at hand here.
Yes, as I said Peter is strong enough in will to maintain his superhero status, just as Sandman wasn't to realise his true potential as a threat to the city. It wasn't in his spirit in the movie in the first place.
In relevance, either I read it from a comic or it was a comment by a fan but it was well said:
Even Electro has enough power to destroy the entire city. Problem is he's too self-centred and stupid to realise this.

 

[Grievous]

Exactly. Out of the people who came closest to actually killing Spider-Man, it was definitely Ock.

But Aunt May saved him. If you remember Venom almost killed Spidey if it had not been for Harry. So Spidey has had his life saved from both villians. I think Venom came the close to killing him.

 

[The Joker]

I think Venom came the close to killing him.

Why? Just because he lunged at him with Harry's glider? How is that any better than Goblin almost impaling Spidey with his glider, or Ock almost stabbing him with the blade in his tentacles?

Venom wouldn't even tackle Spidey alone without asking Sandman for help

 

[Grievous]

But Venom was going to kill spidey. It is not the same between Harry's glider and his Dads glider. Because Peter saved himself from GG glider. But Peter was tied down when Venom was going to kill him with Harry's glider. and seeking help does not make you any less powerful then the next guy. It means you are smart.

 

[The Joker]

But Venom was going to kill spidey. It is not the same between Harry's glider and his Dads glider. Because Peter saved himself from GG glider. But Peter was tied down when Venom was going to kill him with Harry's glider. and seeking help does not make you any less powerful then the next guy. It means you are smart.

That answer you gave is the equivalent to me asking you what time it is, and you saying it's wednesday.

Venom came no closer to killing Spidey than the others. What does it matter HOW Spidey was saved? The question is who came closer to killing him? He was inches from death with being hit by Norman's glider. He was inches from death when Ock almost stabbed him on the building, and in the warehouse lair.

Circumstances saved Spidey's life, just like with Venom. Had Aunt May not hit Ock in the face with her umbrella, Spidey would be dead. If that power cable had not been on the floor, Spidey would be dead. Had his spider sense not warned him of Norman's glider, he would be dead.

Had Harry not been there to jump in the way, he would be dead. Venom came no closer than the others. At least the others had the balls to tackle Spidey solo. That's far more impressive. Especially considering Venom is supposed to be a loner villain.

 

[Grievous]

but besides Aunt May. Venom would have killed Spidey if not for another person. There is a difference between him saving himself and someone else saving him.

 

[The Joker]

So, by your logic, if someone gets pushed out of the way by someone else when a truck is about to hit them, they came closer to death than someone who managed to jump out of the way of a truck hitting them?

Yeah, good luck with that

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

So, by your logic, if someone gets pushed out of the way by someone else when a truck is about to hit them, they came closer to death than someone who managed to jump out of the way of a truck hitting them?

Yeah, good luck with that

Actually, who's closer to death - the one who realises it coming or the one who's clueless about it?

 

[The Joker]

Actually, who's closer to death - the one who realises it coming or the one who's clueless about it?

Neither, as long as there is a factor there to save them.

 

[Barney Stinson]

I have a lot of respect for Spider-Man in the movies because he was just an average geek & wasn't even trying to be famous for saving people. He just was doing what he felt in his heart was right by putting an end to as much crime as he could.

So? That is spider-man in general. What do you think he's been doing since day 1 in the comics?

 

[Nightmare]

Actually, who's closer to death - the one who realises it coming or the one who's clueless about it?

The one who suddenly loses his spidey sense.

 

[Grievous]

So, by your logic, if someone gets pushed out of the way by someone else when a truck is about to hit them, they came closer to death than someone who managed to jump out of the way of a truck hitting them?

Yeah, good luck with that

But Spidey was unable to save himself. So you would come closer to killing someone if they were helpless and they knew they were doomed. if you can save yourself then you are not out for the count but if you can't do anything to save yourself. Your last hope is someone to save you.

You need to look at it like that.

 

[The Joker]

But Spidey was unable to save himself. So you would come closer to killing someone if they were helpless and they knew they were doomed.

No, you wouldn't. Because there's still something or someone else there to save him from death. Whether it's Spider-Man himself, or someone else who saved him, the fact is that he did not come any closer to dying with Venom than he did with the others.

It couldn't be more simple to understand. No offence, but I'm guessing you're a Venom fanboy.

 

[Victarion]

Actually Sandman came closer than Venom. Those repeated blows to Spider-Man's chest would eventually cave it in.

 

[omid17]

Actually Sandman came closer than Venom. Those repeated blows to Spider-Man's chest would eventually cave it in.

Don't forget the only reason Sandman was able to do that was because of Venom

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

For me, both GG and Doc Ock posed a far greater threat than the 3 villains of Spiderman 3. GG endangered practically the whole of a packed Times Square, and dropped both MJ and a tram full of kids off the top of a bridge, not to mention the amount of people he killed in his quest.

Ock killed countless Doctors, endangered everyone in the bank, kidknapped MJ, and put a whole train of people in danger, not to mention were ever the train would have crashed would have caused untold damage. Then there was his machine which COULD have destroyed the whole city.

Sandman, Venom and Harry didnt come close to this IMO, in fairness to Harry and Venom, their goals were more personal, they wanted Spiderman/Peter Parker dead, who knows were they would have gone if they would have achieved their goal. Not sure about Venom but Harry would have just carried on as normal IMO.

Sandman was barely a villain, he hurt some cops, etc, but never really but anyone in mortal danger except Spiderman and possibly MJ. And his goal was self-centred also, he had no interest in using his powers on a bigger scale.