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  1. The Spawn Better Than You

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    ...there being hidden meanings in poems and stories and songs, etc?

    Like, while you sat through english class deciphering Frosts' The Road Not Taken, did you feel that the poem was just about a dude who decided not to take one road, but instead went with the other?

    Like, y'know what I, like, mean?
     
  2. Matt Murdock Registered

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    I never disagree. As a writer, I know that there are very specific words I chose to convey meanings I want to allude to, but not explicitly say. :up:
     
  3. Steve Rogers Registered

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    Yeah. I used to say that about Hemingway all the time. I love to write and took a buch of English and Writing classes that I did not need for my major just for fun. I am a filmmaker and always see the symbolism and hidden meanings in movies. But when I read it, it goes right over my head. I was the first to say things like, "Maybe it's really about eating breakfast and that's it." All the English major students looked at me like I had a penis growing out of my forehead.
     
  4. Wilhelm-Scream Registered

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    A Rock and Roll writer recently said that David Bowie's "Five Years" is not really about the end of the world, but is actually about the conventional wisdom at the time that a Pop star only has a 5 year window within which he can be popular and outrageous and fresh.

    I strongly disagree with that "secret meaning" after reviewing the lyrics.
     
  5. DBella Seducente/Mortale

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    I think that sometimes people tend to overanalyze things and see what their minds want to see. But what I like about literature is that every word, every phrase, every sentence, is open to interpretation. As long as you can back up your theory or if it makes sense, people can disagree but can't tell you that you're wrong.
     
  6. kainedamo Registered

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    It depends.

    But the whole point of poetry is to convey feelings and thoughts so by and large most poems have "hidden" meanings.

    When you start to decipher a poem, its meaning becomes obvious, and if its a good poem the more you look at it the more you see.

    Modern songs though are complete crap and mean nothing.
     
  7. Immortalfire In the pale moonlight

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  8. Steve Rogers Registered

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    My English professor was like that. He was so awesome. He wanted us to dissagree with him. I did a paper comparing Pulp Fiction and Snow White were the same story. He didn't see it that way, but I backed it up and he gave me an A. Sadly, I knew more professors who failed students for not seeing things their way.
     
  9. Badger Side-Kick my Ass!

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    Very well said, Dbella. :up:
     
  10. Carcharodon Registered

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    You mean with Jules, "waking up," to the presence of God in his life because of the divine intervention?
     
  11. Steve Rogers Registered

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    No that the scene with the Lance, Vincent and Mia and the adrenaline shot is akin to the prince kissing Snow White and waking her up.
     
  12. Carcharodon Registered

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    K...so...who are the seven dwarfs? Who's the evil queen? :huh:

    DETAILS, MAN!!
     
  13. Steve Rogers Registered

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    I can't really remember the details...it was a few years ago. I just compared the two scenes. The apple is the heroin. Snow White falls asleep/Mia OD's. The Prince arrives/Vincent takes Mia to Lance's. The Prince revives Snow White with a kiss/Vincent revives Mia with the shot. That's all I really remember...it was a few pages though...what the hell else did I say? Sorry, I'm drawing a blank.
     
  14. Colossal Spoons Paper boi

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    I think Shakespeare's works are over analyzed and often "read into too much" :down:
     
  15. the_ultimate_evil CURSE YOU GIN MONKEY.

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    all the time with pieces of art. i always found it funny to think with these so called experts analysing the classic pieces to think that the artists just did it for fun rather than some hidden message
     
  16. Yurka Let The Games Begin!

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    I was just talking about this yesterday, and yes I completely agree. It really annoys me when people over-analyze stuff, like when I was in high school I would write papers and my teacher would say "Oh I like how this can me this or this" and I was just like, "No" it means exactly what I wrote thats all, stop over-analyzing things.
    I like this thread :up:
     
  17. kainedamo Registered

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    Oh yeah, people REALLY over-analyse art, ESPECIALLY the so-called specialists.

    Yes, poems have hidden meanings.

    But a big clumsy splurge of paint means nothing. Absolutely nothing.

    There is a show here in the north of Ireland called the Culture Show, and the "experts" have the absolute worst taste.

    For example, this expert was taking the presenter around, who was cynical, showing her the art of some guy who was up for winning the (Turner) prize. Well, a big art prize anyway.

    The stuff was ****. Hunks of clay molded into shapes that look ****. It looked like a 5 year old had been playing with clay. An art friend of mine who watched this with me remarked about how unprofessional it was, how you could see the base, etc. It was crap. The presenter was saying "they look ugly", and the snobby ass professional said "well, if it disgusts you, doesn't it acheive something?" **** you, thats bull****.

    You could say that about a piece of **** on a plate. You could put a piece of **** on a plate and say "look! it disgusts you! therefore, I acheived something!". Nonsense.

    That doesn't mean to say art can't be horrifying and good art. For example, the work of that guy that designed the aliens in Alien and Aliens.
     
  18. the_ultimate_evil CURSE YOU GIN MONKEY.

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    sounds like the many fights i had with my art tutor
     
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    The same thing would often happen to me in english class, but i do see what your really trying to say i can read between the lines. excellent parables , sir.
     
  20. Danalys Sol Invictus

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    i'm just thinking how boring or more boring this stuff would be without layers.
     
  21. kainedamo Registered

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    Tell us more about that.
     
  22. the_ultimate_evil CURSE YOU GIN MONKEY.

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    most of my photography was graphic based, he didnt believe it was art unless it was abstract and the viewer had to spend ages looking at the piece to understand it
     
  23. AhabTheArab Registered

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    i believe a lot of things have hidden meanings, or at least reflections of how a persons environment shaped them.... something like that...
     

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